Coronavirus Pah!
24 March 2021, 05:06 PM
#1471
Steven Swinford(@Steven_Swinford)Looks like the ‘hidden’ stash of 29million AstraZeneca vaccines found at a plant in Italy following a police raid were in fact destined for Europe and developing countries 16million for EU vaccine programme
They will just go into deep storage, no one in Europe wants AZ. I'll give them couple of quid
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25 March 2021, 09:45 AM
#1478
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I can only assume is obsession is now down to the fear of having a super-power on the doorstep which is still able to dictate the rules to its tiny island neighbour!
25 March 2021, 12:43 PM
#1479
It really puts into context, when the previous drunk leader is slagging off VDL over failed vaccine vendetta
Last edited by andy97; 25 March 2021 at 12:47 PM.
25 March 2021, 12:58 PM
#1480
There will be a low key backtrack tonight after several European countries were frightened by loss of supply chains if war broke out.
Even German chancellor, Angela Merkel, notably did not reference the new powers but instead called on Europe to increase domestic vaccine production given the lack of exports from the UK and the US
How's that going currently?
Even German chancellor, Angela Merkel, notably did not reference the new powers but instead called on Europe to increase domestic vaccine production given the lack of exports from the UK and the US
How's that going currently?
25 March 2021, 02:04 PM
#1481
Scooby Regular
25 March 2021, 02:16 PM
#1482
Scooby Senior
There will be a low key backtrack tonight after several European countries were frightened by loss of supply chains if war broke out.
Even German chancellor, Angela Merkel, notably did not reference the new powers but instead called on Europe to increase domestic vaccine production given the lack of exports from the UK and the US
How's that going currently?
Even German chancellor, Angela Merkel, notably did not reference the new powers but instead called on Europe to increase domestic vaccine production given the lack of exports from the UK and the US
How's that going currently?
I hove no doubt that Germany could have been no.1 in the world in vaccinations if it had selfishly only looked after its own narrow minded national interests, but I would be ashamed to live in a country racing ahead with vaccinations while other countries suffer with a lack of vaccines. Boris has admitted this week that the UK has been greedy in its vaccine procurement and for that the UK should truly be ashamed! The history books won't look back favourably in the UK's handling of the Covid pandemic. Throughout the whole crisis the UK's handling has been woefully bad with the government making failure after failure in its decisions and refusing to listen to criticisms and learn from their mistakes. The only thing they have done well in the whole sorry episode is through a greedy, selfish and shameful Nationalistic attitude. Even though the UK will almost certainly be one of the first countries to fully vaccinate, its death toll will remain one of the worlds worst!
25 March 2021, 02:38 PM
#1483
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Its all a matter of numbers really and looking at the bigger picture! Are the EU actually doing that bad? The EU has currently administered 62 million doses compared to just 31 million in the UK! In terms of total number of vaccines administered, the EU as a block is only in third place behind the US and China! In terms of doses issued per population, the UK is one of only a handful of countries doing very well, compared only to those countries the EU looks bad, but actually when you look at the whole world, the EU is actually right up there with around twice as many doses issued per population compared to Russia and Brazil, nearly 3 times what China has administered and almost 5 times what India has vaccinated relative to its population. What is very nice is the fact that all EU countries are more or less equal in terms of number of doses administered per population which means each EU member is getting its fair share of the available vaccines rather than being dominated by richer greedier countries.
I hove no doubt that Germany could have been no.1 in the world in vaccinations if it had selfishly only looked after its own narrow minded national interests, but I would be ashamed to live in a country racing ahead with vaccinations while other countries suffer with a lack of vaccines. Boris has admitted this week that the UK has been greedy in its vaccine procurement and for that the UK should truly be ashamed! The history books won't look back favourably in the UK's handling of the Covid pandemic. Throughout the whole crisis the UK's handling has been woefully bad with the government making failure after failure in its decisions and refusing to listen to criticisms and learn from their mistakes. The only thing they have done well in the whole sorry episode is through a greedy, selfish and shameful Nationalistic attitude. Even though the UK will almost certainly be one of the first countries to fully vaccinate, its death toll will remain one of the worlds worst!
I hove no doubt that Germany could have been no.1 in the world in vaccinations if it had selfishly only looked after its own narrow minded national interests, but I would be ashamed to live in a country racing ahead with vaccinations while other countries suffer with a lack of vaccines. Boris has admitted this week that the UK has been greedy in its vaccine procurement and for that the UK should truly be ashamed! The history books won't look back favourably in the UK's handling of the Covid pandemic. Throughout the whole crisis the UK's handling has been woefully bad with the government making failure after failure in its decisions and refusing to listen to criticisms and learn from their mistakes. The only thing they have done well in the whole sorry episode is through a greedy, selfish and shameful Nationalistic attitude. Even though the UK will almost certainly be one of the first countries to fully vaccinate, its death toll will remain one of the worlds worst!
Last edited by Wurzel; 25 March 2021 at 03:26 PM.
25 March 2021, 03:11 PM
#1484
Its all a matter of numbers really and looking at the bigger picture! Are the EU actually doing that bad? The EU has currently administered 62 million doses compared to just 31 million in the UK! In terms of total number of vaccines administered, the EU as a block is only in third place behind the US and China! In terms of doses issued per population, the UK is one of only a handful of countries doing very well, compared only to those countries the EU looks bad, but actually when you look at the whole world, the EU is actually right up there with around twice as many doses issued per population compared to Russia and Brazil, nearly 3 times what China has administered and almost 5 times what India has vaccinated relative to its population. What is very nice is the fact that all EU countries are more or less equal in terms of number of doses administered per population which means each EU member is getting its fair share of the available vaccines rather than being dominated by richer greedier countries.
I hove no doubt that Germany could have been no.1 in the world in vaccinations if it had selfishly only looked after its own narrow minded national interests, but I would be ashamed to live in a country racing ahead with vaccinations while other countries suffer with a lack of vaccines. Boris has admitted this week that the UK has been greedy in its vaccine procurement and for that the UK should truly be ashamed! The history books won't look back favourably in the UK's handling of the Covid pandemic. Throughout the whole crisis the UK's handling has been woefully bad with the government making failure after failure in its decisions and refusing to listen to criticisms and learn from their mistakes. The only thing they have done well in the whole sorry episode is through a greedy, selfish and shameful Nationalistic attitude. Even though the UK will almost certainly be one of the first countries to fully vaccinate, its death toll will remain one of the worlds worst!
I hove no doubt that Germany could have been no.1 in the world in vaccinations if it had selfishly only looked after its own narrow minded national interests, but I would be ashamed to live in a country racing ahead with vaccinations while other countries suffer with a lack of vaccines. Boris has admitted this week that the UK has been greedy in its vaccine procurement and for that the UK should truly be ashamed! The history books won't look back favourably in the UK's handling of the Covid pandemic. Throughout the whole crisis the UK's handling has been woefully bad with the government making failure after failure in its decisions and refusing to listen to criticisms and learn from their mistakes. The only thing they have done well in the whole sorry episode is through a greedy, selfish and shameful Nationalistic attitude. Even though the UK will almost certainly be one of the first countries to fully vaccinate, its death toll will remain one of the worlds worst!
All the European countries are doing terribly.
The EU have threatened legal action over contracts- U turned No chance of winning that one
EU then tried to trash the efficacy data, backfired
EU said blood clots were a concern- no they weren't.
Then they want UK to drop its contract after UK invested in production and development of AZ far more than anyone else.
EU want equal flow, even though the UK or AZ are not contractually obligated.
EU threatened to block Pfizer, back down again
EU threatening to block AZ from European sites even though Contracts are in place.
EU instructed Belgium and Italians to raid AZ sites with false information about secret stocks of UK bound vaccine. It was for other countries and EU
The EU have tens of millions unused vaccine, because they have frightened the cr@p out of nations so no one wants AZ or even Pfizer.
Yes, Id be ashamed of a bunch of complete foookwits running a group of nations in pure vexatious attitude due soley to jealousy of the UK.
A supposedly rule and law based organization the EU has clearly demonstrated, it has no idea is trying to bluff and bully.
It hasn't worked. I hope the EU do start war, just to bring the whole thing crashing down even faster
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25 March 2021, 08:53 PM
#1485
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Alastair, you really need to take off your rose tinted goggles, Germany is doing crap, it has vaccinated 4% of its population in the same crap way the UK did it, old farts who contribute nothing first. They have also moaned and bitched about the vaccine, CDU /CSU have handled the whole thing really badly and the Germans round here can't wait to see the back of them in the next election. Also there are a lot of Gemans who do not want the vaccine.
There is currently a lot of infighting in the CDU/CSU as they're all jossling to take over the party when Angie steps down before the election this year since AKK has ruled herself out of the running! No doubt they will lose a lot of votes and the other parties are certainly making the most out of it!
Germans not wanting vaccines is definitely a problem, but its not new with Covid, they don't want any vaccines
Take a good look at the vaccine statistics here:
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
A handfull of countries are doing exceptionaly well, notably Israel, USA, UK, UAE and Chile. The rest of the world is lagging significantly behind.
If you just look at EU countries, with the exception of Latvia which is lagging behind, everyone has vaccinated around the same percentage of the population. So you can't really criticise the German government for any problems as they're not doing any worse than any other EU country. The only criticism you could make is that Germany should have gone it alone instead of joining the EU scheme, but then there is no guarantee that they would have done any better if the signed contracts after the UK.
The EU has come under a lot of stick for its poor performance with vaccinating, particularly from the UK media, and compared to the UK that would seem justified But have a look at some of the figures:
Percentage of people fully vaccinated (2 doses):
Israel 53.8%
USA 13.9%
Germany 4.2%
EU 4.2%
UK 3.7%
Russia 3%
Brazil 1.8%
Africa 0.2%
So Germany is ahead of the UK and exactly the same as EU average but only because of different 2nd dose policies in the UK and Germany/EU
Percentage of people who have received at least one dose:
Israel 60.1%
UK 42.2%
USA 25.6%
EU 9.7%
Germany 9.2%
Brazil 5.7%
Russia 4.3%
India 3.3%
Africa 0.5%
Probably the fairest comparisson is the number of doses issued per 100 population as this then discounts differing policies on 2 doses (with 2 doses per person a figure of 200 would indicate full vaccination):
Israel 113.91
UK 45.94
USA 39.01
EU 13.96
Germany 13.66
Canada 11.64
Brazil 7.5
Russia 7.26
South America 7.25
World 6.27
China 5.76
Mexico 4.75
India 3.85
Australia 1.28
Africa 0.68
So yeah, Germany/EU are doing terribly compared to the UK, but they're still double the world average. So tell me, why are the EU getting so much stick and not Australia who are really doing awefully? What about China, or Russia? Canada is also lagging behind the EU, what's their excuse? And as usual Africa is getting a really bad deal!
25 March 2021, 09:45 PM
#1486
The eu are getting so much sh"t thrown at them because of their attitude and actions. Threatening, abusive, liars. The UK is contractually guaranteed vaccines made in european private companies. There is nothing more to be said on that. The Uk has exclusivity with AZ to provide its quota first.
However the eu just cant stomach the success and speed in which the UK has rolled out the vaccination program. That is what is behind this bullsh!t from the eu.
Australia has had a very low number of incidents of death, less than a 1000. Since Oct cases have numbered in the single digits, excellent control.
The other countries aren't making bully boy threats
However the eu just cant stomach the success and speed in which the UK has rolled out the vaccination program. That is what is behind this bullsh!t from the eu.
Australia has had a very low number of incidents of death, less than a 1000. Since Oct cases have numbered in the single digits, excellent control.
The other countries aren't making bully boy threats
Last edited by andy97; 25 March 2021 at 09:49 PM.
25 March 2021, 11:02 PM
#1488
Scooby Senior
The eu are getting so much sh"t thrown at them because of their attitude and actions. Threatening, abusive, liars. The UK is contractually guaranteed vaccines made in european private companies. There is nothing more to be said on that. The Uk has exclusivity with AZ to provide its quota first.
However the eu just cant stomach the success and speed in which the UK has rolled out the vaccination program. That is what is behind this bullsh!t from the eu.
Australia has had a very low number of incidents of death, less than a 1000. Since Oct cases have numbered in the single digits, excellent control.
The other countries aren't making bully boy threats
However the eu just cant stomach the success and speed in which the UK has rolled out the vaccination program. That is what is behind this bullsh!t from the eu.
Australia has had a very low number of incidents of death, less than a 1000. Since Oct cases have numbered in the single digits, excellent control.
The other countries aren't making bully boy threats
As for Australia, they are in self isolation as an entire nation. They can't open their borders until they vaccinate so there is absolutely no point in holding back, particularly as a large portion of thier economy is dependent on tourism!
You can criticise the EU for their handling of AZ, but the claim that their vaccine rollout is a disaster is simply unfounded as they are doing way better that most countries!
26 March 2021, 07:54 AM
#1490
Emmanuel Macron backs EU Covid vaccine export ban but is overruled
EU leaders refuse to jointly back Ursula von der Leyen’s plans for tougher export controls amid fears of sparking a vaccine trade war------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
“While remaining open, the EU needs to ensure Europeans get a fair share of vaccines,” she had tweeted.
But in a post-summit statement, the leaders failed to offer their support for the commission’s decision to take new powers allowing it to potentially block exports to countries with high vaccination rates or where governments blocked shipments through law or their contracts with suppliers:
To get your fair share pay the going rate not rip off the manufacturer
Told you, backdown, again
26 March 2021, 09:41 AM
#1494
No, it's called capitalism. Companies are in business to make profit. Profit ensuring continued development, in the case of pharmaceutical sciences.
Do you think Pfizer is selling at cost?
Go and look up the costs for each vaccine
AZ will exact revenge through increased charges to the EU. Remember EU taken over procurement of all European countries
Do you think Pfizer is selling at cost?
Go and look up the costs for each vaccine
AZ will exact revenge through increased charges to the EU. Remember EU taken over procurement of all European countries
26 March 2021, 10:14 AM
#1496
The article is full of supposition guesswork, the footnote
This article gives the views of the author,
26 March 2021, 01:05 PM
#1498
Scooby Senior
26 March 2021, 01:21 PM
#1499
Scooby Senior
This is an interesting source to follow the EU vaccine distribution:
https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.e...tml#uptake-tab
This talk of Millions of vaccine doses going unused doesn't seem to stand true.
Depending on what time of day you look there is between about 10 to 15 million discrepancy between the number of vaccines delivered to the EU and those administered.
Sounds like a lot of vaccines going unused right, but across the EU there are now more than 1 million vaccine doses administered each day, so that accounts for 10-15 days of supply.
Of course you also have to take into account the time it takes to distribute those doses, so it will take a few days to deliver to each member country who will in-turn need a few days to distribute around their country. So in the end you may be left with around 5-7 days of stock which has not been used. It wouldn't surprise me if vaccine centers receive a weekly delivery which they then spread out across the week and all of a sudden, that massive stockpile of unused vaccines in the EU has just disappeared!
https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.e...tml#uptake-tab
This talk of Millions of vaccine doses going unused doesn't seem to stand true.
Depending on what time of day you look there is between about 10 to 15 million discrepancy between the number of vaccines delivered to the EU and those administered.
Sounds like a lot of vaccines going unused right, but across the EU there are now more than 1 million vaccine doses administered each day, so that accounts for 10-15 days of supply.
Of course you also have to take into account the time it takes to distribute those doses, so it will take a few days to deliver to each member country who will in-turn need a few days to distribute around their country. So in the end you may be left with around 5-7 days of stock which has not been used. It wouldn't surprise me if vaccine centers receive a weekly delivery which they then spread out across the week and all of a sudden, that massive stockpile of unused vaccines in the EU has just disappeared!
26 March 2021, 01:35 PM
#1500
Scooby Senior
AZ Really aren't doing themselves a lot of favours regarding their image. Huge mistakes made during the trials, overstating the efficacy.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/25/2...iaid-effective
I'd have not problem accepting the AZ vaccine, but given a free choice, that's not the once I'd be going for!
Given its the least effective vaccine out there and it doesn't seem to work with the South African and Brazilian variants, maybe the EU isn't bothered too much about keeping AZ sweet! The EU spread its vaccine orders more evenly over more companies with AZ making up only a smaller percentage of the overall ordered vaccines.
The UK on the other hand put most of its eggs in the AZ basket, so is heavily dependent on the success and supply of AZ.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/25/2...iaid-effective
I'd have not problem accepting the AZ vaccine, but given a free choice, that's not the once I'd be going for!
Given its the least effective vaccine out there and it doesn't seem to work with the South African and Brazilian variants, maybe the EU isn't bothered too much about keeping AZ sweet! The EU spread its vaccine orders more evenly over more companies with AZ making up only a smaller percentage of the overall ordered vaccines.
The UK on the other hand put most of its eggs in the AZ basket, so is heavily dependent on the success and supply of AZ.