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Old Nov 27, 2019 | 02:44 AM
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Spending their cash on the poor presumably
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CorbynAbsolutely slated in the papers

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...and-faith-live
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
What does he have to apologise for?
Nothing, which is why Andy can't answer the question because it's baseless.

I didn't watch it but the link above suggest De Pfeffel didn't do well either.
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Nothing, which is why Andy can't answer the question because it's baseless.

I didn't watch it but the link above suggest De Pfeffel didn't do well either.
I dont have to answer the question, Corbyn needs to. He comes across as a Jew hating enabler within his party.

An Abbott level interview, not knowing that the top 5% or earners already pay 50% of all UK income tax. The top 0.1% of earners pay already pay 12% or income tax. A
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Originally Posted by andy97
I dont have to answer the question, Corbyn needs to. He comes across as a Jew hating enabler within his party.

An Abbott level interview, not knowing that the top 5% or earners already pay 50% of all UK income tax. The top 0.1% of earners pay already pay 12% or income tax. A
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He has, on many occasions. This, as you well know, is just electoral smear campaign based on his empathy with Palestine.

So are you going to leave Andy?
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He has, on many occasions. This, as you well know, is just electoral smear campaign based on his empathy with Palestine.

So are you going to leave Andy?
Papers prepared, sign on 13th if needs be
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https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50562518

This is an interesting article on the current structure of the UK economy and why change is needed! Labour policy is maybe a step in the right direction although maybe not the best solution for the 21st century, but the Tories will continue on the current path of corporate greed, and post Brexit even more so.
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Papers prepared, sign on 13th if needs be
Where are you off too; Antipodean adventure?
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50562518

This is an interesting article on the current structure of the UK economy and why change is needed! Labour policy is maybe a step in the right direction although maybe not the best solution for the 21st century, but the Tories will continue on the current path of corporate greed, and post Brexit even more so.
Enshrining Directors responsibilities in law will go along way to changing their focus...Masterfoods (Mars) sound like they want to move towards a far better model that encourages altruistic approach rather than just capitalism. Sounds like a society I'd like to be part of
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Enshrining Directors responsibilities in law will go along way to changing their focus...Masterfoods (Mars) sound like they want to move towards a far better model that encourages altruistic approach rather than just capitalism. Sounds like a society I'd like to be part of
I'm one of those boycotters of bad companies! Since Kraft-Heinz screwed over Cadbury, I have completely boycotted all Kraft/Mondelez and Heinz products - At first I was really shocked how many Kraft brands I was purchasing without even realising! Kraft have actively removed their name from many products and spun off the Mondelez company to further hide their involvement. Giving up Cadbury chocolate was a real hard decision, given it was a brand that I really admired before the Kraft takeover. On the Chocolate front, giving up Kraft also means giving up Milka and Toblerone. Philadelphia cheese is also gone (has anyone noted it used to be Kraft Philadelphia, now its just Philadelphia!), Bullseye BBQ sauce, Oreo's are just a few of the products I used to buy and there are hundreds more to be aware of! When Kraft joined with Heinz, that was a really difficult hit, giving up Heinz beans and soups and I also really used to like their sauces. But now after several years of boycott, I really don't miss them. I've become much more brand aware and try to buy as much as possible from smaller, more socially responsible and local companies.

In the end, consumer is king, and if we really want change, we need to hit the evil corporations where it hurts! It's important to identify the good from the bad though - as that article points out, Unilever are quite a responsible corporate and actively took steps against thier stock market value to stave off Kraft-Heinz! If only Cadbury had done the same!
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
I'm one of those boycotters of bad companies! Since Kraft-Heinz screwed over Cadbury, I have completely boycotted all Kraft/Mondelez and Heinz products - At first I was really shocked how many Kraft brands I was purchasing without even realising! Kraft have actively removed their name from many products and spun off the Mondelez company to further hide their involvement. Giving up Cadbury chocolate was a real hard decision, given it was a brand that I really admired before the Kraft takeover. On the Chocolate front, giving up Kraft also means giving up Milka and Toblerone. Philadelphia cheese is also gone (has anyone noted it used to be Kraft Philadelphia, now its just Philadelphia!), Bullseye BBQ sauce, Oreo's are just a few of the products I used to buy and there are hundreds more to be aware of! When Kraft joined with Heinz, that was a really difficult hit, giving up Heinz beans and soups and I also really used to like their sauces. But now after several years of boycott, I really don't miss them. I've become much more brand aware and try to buy as much as possible from smaller, more socially responsible and local companies.

In the end, consumer is king, and if we really want change, we need to hit the evil corporations where it hurts! It's important to identify the good from the bad though - as that article points out, Unilever are quite a responsible corporate and actively took steps against thier stock market value to stave off Kraft-Heinz! If only Cadbury had done the same!

It's just about forming habits I think and you do discover fantastic alternatives you wouldn't necessarily have seen...even if it does cost a little more
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It's just about forming habits I think and you do discover fantastic alternatives you wouldn't necessarily have seen...even if it does cost a little more
That's the funny part, it usually costs less!
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Old Nov 27, 2019 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
That's the funny part, it usually costs less!
Hmmm...I think my wife has been used to paying an additional ethics tax on her food for so long (vegan for 20 odd years) we seem to buy the most expensive sustainable organic alternatives without flinching
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Hmmm...I think my wife has been used to paying an additional ethics tax on her food for so long (vegan for 20 odd years) we seem to buy the most expensive sustainable organic alternatives without flinching
Sometimes its not what you buy, but where you buy it. For example, I buy eggs directly from a local farmer who has a huge field of chickens (I avoid saying field full of chickens, because it definitely isn't full!). They are definitely the happiest farmed chickens I've ever seen, fully organic and beyond free-range and the eggs cost less than the cheapest battery eggs in the supermarket. I ride past the farm every day and he has a vending machine selling the eggs and other farm produce which I can use 24/7!
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
Sometimes its not what you buy, but where you buy it. For example, I buy eggs directly from a local farmer who has a huge field of chickens (I avoid saying field full of chickens, because it definitely isn't full!). They are definitely the happiest farmed chickens I've ever seen, fully organic and beyond free-range and the eggs cost less than the cheapest battery eggs in the supermarket. I ride past the farm every day and he has a vending machine selling the eggs and other farm produce which I can use 24/7!
vending machine sounds like an awesome idea!

We have a weekly veg box from a local organic farmer which covers most of our needs
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Originally Posted by trails
He has, on many occasions. This, as you well know, is just electoral smear campaign based on his empathy with Palestine.

So are you going to leave Andy?
So why wont' he say it each and ever time? it would certainly remove any issue and people would stop focusing on it.

By doing what hes doing he's just making things 100 times worse and creating the issue.
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
I'm one of those boycotters of bad companies! Since Kraft-Heinz screwed over Cadbury, I have completely boycotted all Kraft/Mondelez and Heinz products - At first I was really shocked how many Kraft brands I was purchasing without even realising! Kraft have actively removed their name from many products and spun off the Mondelez company to further hide their involvement. Giving up Cadbury chocolate was a real hard decision, given it was a brand that I really admired before the Kraft takeover. On the Chocolate front, giving up Kraft also means giving up Milka and Toblerone. Philadelphia cheese is also gone (has anyone noted it used to be Kraft Philadelphia, now its just Philadelphia!), Bullseye BBQ sauce, Oreo's are just a few of the products I used to buy and there are hundreds more to be aware of! When Kraft joined with Heinz, that was a really difficult hit, giving up Heinz beans and soups and I also really used to like their sauces. But now after several years of boycott, I really don't miss them. I've become much more brand aware and try to buy as much as possible from smaller, more socially responsible and local companies.

In the end, consumer is king, and if we really want change, we need to hit the evil corporations where it hurts! It's important to identify the good from the bad though - as that article points out, Unilever are quite a responsible corporate and actively took steps against thier stock market value to stave off Kraft-Heinz! If only Cadbury had done the same!
so what about companies that trade with those bad companies? I bet you use plenty of them. So where do you draw thew line?
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so what about companies that trade with those bad companies? I bet you use plenty of them. So where do you draw thew line?
Sure there is a gray area, but you can never be perfect, you just try to do the best you can to uphold your principles.
A prime example, a bakery here makes chocolate croissants using Milka chocolate. I still use the bakery, but I don't buy the chocolate croissants and I tell them the reason.
The point is, to educate yourself about the companies that are selling you stuff and how socially responsible that company is, how it treats is customers, workers and suppliers or its environmental impact, and making a decision on supporting that company or looking for alternative brands or even going without.
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
So why wont' he say it each and ever time? it would certainly remove any issue and people would stop focusing on it.

By doing what hes doing he's just making things 100 times worse and creating the issue.
Can you not see the irony in your post; you are essentially complaining that he won't keep repeating himself to stop people like you keep wittering on about the same issue!?

You are being manipulated by GE biased populist press Tidgy, that's why this won't go away...just like pig-gate or pleb-gate or any other event (real or imagined) that helps others meet their goal.
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so what about companies that trade with those bad companies? I bet you use plenty of them. So where do you draw thew line?
It entirely depends on what you as an individual decides is important; that will define how vigilant you are and how you behave. This is how society can self-govern itself, although often social engineering is an entirely political game with no benefit for society; take the way speeding has been vilified in comparison to other 'crimes',
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But Corbyn will go out of his way to apologize to the relatives of the 1919 Amritsar incident.

I guess if we wait 100 years the Jews might get an apology
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Corbyns latest stuntc is tohold up pages of A4 black markered out text. Then with magical x-ray reading capabilities announce this proves the NHS is being sold to the US.

When questioned what proof he had- silence

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Corbyn this, Corbyn that...........
Admit it. You're in love.
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Admit it. You're in love.
He is just an endless stream of bullsh!t, contradiction and worthless promises.
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But Corbyn will go out of his way to apologize to the relatives of the 1919 Amritsar incident.

I guess if we wait 100 years the Jews might get an apology
<yawn> He has appologised...a number of times.

What is in it for you Andy, are you Jewish or just perpetuating the propaganda because you want the UK to leave the EU?
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Originally Posted by andy97
He is just an endless stream of bullsh!t, contradiction and worthless promises.
I'm not a fan of whataboutism...but I'm cutting myself some slack in this context, so about de Pfeffel; is he the paragon of virtue you wish to nail your colours too?
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<yawn> He has appologised...a number of times.

What is in it for you Andy, are you Jewish or just perpetuating the propaganda because you want the UK to leave the EU?
I have to admit, I’m no Corbynite and not one for conspiracy theories, but this whole saga had a whiff of Rothschild about it; Simply just by setting the seeds within gossiping circles be it media or otherwise and just sit back whilst the public latch on to it irrespective of its truth.

Simply put a smear campaign, a very good one at that. Hopefully it will work, because lets face it Corbyn’s manifesto must have had the numbers done by Abacus Abbot!

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I have to admit, I’m no Corbynite and not one for conspiracy theories, but this whole saga had a whiff of Rothschild about it; Simply just by setting the seeds within gossiping circles be it media or otherwise and just sit back whilst the public latch on to it irrespective of its truth.

Simply put a smear campaign, a very good one at that. Hopefully it will work, because lets face it Corbyn’s manifesto must have had the numbers done by Abacus Abbot!
I think you might owe an Andy an appology now, or am i doing this wrong
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I think you might owe an Andy an appology now, or am i doing this wrong
I apologise for not apologising to Andy for not apologising for Corbyn not apologising for something he already apologised for but hasn’t been apologetic towards.
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Originally Posted by andy97
Corbyns latest stuntc is tohold up pages of A4 black markered out text. Then with magical x-ray reading capabilities announce this proves the NHS is being sold to the US.

When questioned what proof he had- silence

The documents shown at todays press conference where the 'un-redacted' ones - i.e. not blacked out images. These did show that discussions had taken place about US involvement in the NHS.

The discussions took place when Mrs May was PM and there was no evidence in the papers to show that the Tories would 'sell' the NHS to the US

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