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Old May 30, 2018 | 03:15 PM
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Your totaly missing the point im making, celeb bit is irrelevant, its the fact some are reported some arn't, aka double standards.
You are missing the point too. The restrictions are in place to protect any number of issues from national security to victims. Ergo some don't have restrictions but some do.

Simples.
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Old May 30, 2018 | 03:32 PM
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You are missing the point too. The restrictions are in place to protect any number of issues from national security to victims. Ergo some don't have restrictions but some do.

Simples.
FFS, i understand there are specific reasons why.

They are both are rape/sexual assault trials.

so where is the difference?
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Old May 30, 2018 | 04:04 PM
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FFS, i understand there are specific reasons why.

They are both are rape/sexual assault trials.

so where is the difference?
Would you name an 8 year old child who was raped or not?

Would you name someone spying on behalf of HMG but is giving evidence?

You make the call or let the law decide.
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Old May 30, 2018 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
Would you name an 8 year old child who was raped or not?

Would you name someone spying on behalf of HMG but is giving evidence?

You make the call or let the law decide.
im talking about accused here
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
So are you saying a religion spreading from the Middle East is a bad thing?
Similarly the technology the Isreali's test on the indigenous Palestinians (on behalf of the west) should stop?
All religions are backward, give false hope to those at their most vulnerable and are as corrupt as any industrial/governmental organisation.

Tommy Robinson through his misguided judgement as f**ked himself in the grinner by contempt over a trial involving Asian men who undertook sexual abuse, rape and abuse to women/underage girls; the Catholic and Christian Churches have pretty much been doing this for years; boys or girls. Areas of the USA still allow marriage at 12 years old, surely this is abuse of children?

As usual the SN knuckle draggers and religious team have manipulated the story/arguments to their own agendas.
Trooper, there’s an awful lot of conflation and straw to unpick here so may I ask that you put questions to me in a way that enables me to answer specifically. I’d also ask that we don’t turn this in to theism/atheism contest; in so doing we can avoid pages and pages of ‘debate’ that can’t be won or lost without establishing axioms. I trust you’re well and understand my reluctance to engage as the conversation stands.
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Originally Posted by dpb
So what exactly do you advocate
The security of the realm and defence of the faith.
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Old May 30, 2018 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
im talking about accused here
Again to protect evidence or future cases/investigations that maybe ongoing.
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Old May 30, 2018 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Trooper, there’s an awful lot of conflation and straw to unpick here so may I ask that you put questions to me in a way that enables me to answer specifically. I’d also ask that we don’t turn this in to theism/atheism contest; in so doing we can avoid pages and pages of ‘debate’ that can’t be won or lost without establishing axioms. I trust you’re well and understand my reluctance to engage as the conversation stands.
No I don't because you suggested a particular religion is bad because of what it's followers do.
Western faiths have just as many issues as those you castigate.
I'll keep it simple. If a similar muslim "spokesman" was highlighting the abhorrent crimes currently taking place by men of the Christian church would you agree with their cause? Because it is happening.
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Old May 30, 2018 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
The security of the realm and defence of the faith.
Do you believe "Tommy" is the prophet capable delivering this
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Old May 30, 2018 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
No I don't because you suggested a particular religion is bad because of what it's followers do.
Western faiths have just as many issues as those you castigate.
I'll keep it simple. If a similar muslim "spokesman" was highlighting the abhorrent crimes currently taking place by men of the Christian church would you agree with their cause? Because it is happening.
Mohammad married Aisha when she was six, the marriage was consummated when she was nine. Mohammad was a warmonger. Islam was spread by the sword etc. Jesus was celibate and was not a warmonger, in fact He said that His followers were and are to love their enemy. If you think that the historical Mohammad and the historical Jesus of Nazareth were cut from the same cloth, you are grossly mistaken. I will go so far as to say the two men were and are 180° opposed.

I say Salafist Islamists who emulate Mohammad are evil because Mohammad was evil. I say that born-again, bible believing and obedient Christians are good because Jesus was and is good. This is objective truth.

If a person who identifies as a Christian rapes a child they have not done so because Jesus set the example, they have done so because they are paedophilic. If a Muslim man puts his erect ***** in to a nine year old girl’s vagina, he does so because the founder of Islam set the precedent.

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Originally Posted by dpb
Do you believe "Tommy" is the prophet capable delivering this
No, of course not.
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Old May 30, 2018 | 07:07 PM
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i love reading stuff like this thread it reminds me of just how far some lefties will go in life and conversation, some on here could be defence lawers for terrorists they are so good they could even come up with reasons why a fox was in a hen house, i can just hear them now well your honour its the farmers fault for providing a macdonalds for foxes and not locking the door and giving each hen a key, next thing will be well your honour it was the white kids parents fault for allowing her to leave the house

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Old May 30, 2018 | 07:29 PM
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Im amazed youre still here after last nights farce madscoob
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Old May 30, 2018 | 07:49 PM
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Im amazed youre still here after last nights farce madscoob
farce behave it was wonderfull, watching the ones that just don't get it twisting words and statements, jt has got thier mark i used the word percentage of them he actually (being a man of god knows the real score its only 2 forms of thier beliefs that are extreem, watch the video i posted the ones that are here and like it are just the same only skint so they can't afford white hookers drugs and lifestyle the rich ones indulge in as part of thier aggreement with the amans
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Old May 30, 2018 | 08:07 PM
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Mohammad married Aisha when she was six, the marriage was consummated when she was nine. Mohammad was a warmonger. Islam was spread by the sword etc. Jesus was celibate and was not a warmonger, in fact He said that His followers were and are to love their enemy. If you think that the historical Mohammad and the historical Jesus of Nazareth were cut from the same cloth, you are grossly mistaken. I will go so far as to say the two men were and are 180° opposed.

I say Salafist Islamists who emulate Mohammad are evil because Mohammad was evil. I say that born-again, bible believing and obedient Christians are good because Jesus was and is good. This is objective truth.

If a person who identifies as a Christian rapes a child they have not done so because Jesus set the example, they have done so because they are paedophilic. If a Muslim man puts his erect ***** in to a nine year old girl’s vagina, he does so because the founder of Islam set the precedent.
White Christian Americans are marrying 12 year old girls now. Is that right? Christian based law allows it.
The bible also states 'an eye for an eye' hardly peace loving or anti-conflict.
Like Jesus, Mohammad is not proven by science or logic with no forensic proof of existence.
Therefore your submission is ultimately flawed because everything written in either of the religious books you quote from also remain unproven.
If any"God" is so powerful and wonderous why does he not stop all the heinous diseases, crimes or acts of abuse we see everyday?
It was Gods way is a pretty sh%t cop out excuse.
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Old May 30, 2018 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
White Christian Americans are marrying 12 year old girls now. Is that right? Christian based law allows it.
The bible also states 'an eye for an eye' hardly peace loving or anti-conflict.
Like Jesus, Mohammad is not proven by science or logic with no forensic proof of existence.
Therefore your submission is ultimately flawed because everything written in either of the religious books you quote from also remain unproven.
If any"God" is so powerful and wonderous why does he not stop all the heinous diseases, crimes or acts of abuse we see everyday?
It was Gods way is a pretty sh%t cop out excuse.
i expect the answer will be along the lines of,
god allows nasty people to be nasty so he can justify sending them to hell
same as god allows wars to happen so americans can learn geography
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Old May 30, 2018 | 08:34 PM
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Old May 30, 2018 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
White Christian Americans are marrying 12 year old girls now. Is that right? Christian based law allows it.
Source please.

The bible also states 'an eye for an eye' hardly peace loving or anti-conflict.
Matthew 5:38-48 New International Version (NIV)

Eye for Eye

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Like Jesus, Mohammad is not proven by science or logic with no forensic proof of existence.
The vast majority of historians, theist or otherwise, accept the historical existence of both. Their divinity is a matter of faith.

Therefore your submission is ultimately flawed because everything written in either of the religious books you quote from also remain unproven.
Okay, but there are billions who ‘believe’. We have to accept that reality and look at the outcomes of said belief in order to move forward with the discussion. Not doing so leads to the kind of circular argument you’re employing.

If any"God" is so powerful and wonderous why does he not stop all the heinous diseases, crimes or acts of abuse we see everyday?
It was Gods way is a pretty sh%t cop out excuse.
This is commonly known as the ‘problem of evil’ and I have discussed it from a Christian perspective countless times on this board. I recommend reading The Problem of Pain by C.S.Lewis. I have a copy that I can post to you if you’re willing to educate yourself regarding this subject.

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Originally Posted by madscoob
i expect the answer will be along the lines of,
god allows nasty people to be nasty so he can justify sending them to hell
same as god allows wars to happen so americans can learn geography
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Old May 30, 2018 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Source please.



Matthew 5:38-48 New International Version (NIV)

Eye for Eye

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.



That vast majority of historians, theist or otherwise, accept the historical existence of both. Their divinity is a matter of faith.



Okay, but there are billions who ‘believe’. We have to accept that reality and look at the outcomes of said belief in order to move forward with the discussion. Not doing so leads to the kind of circular argument you’re employing.



This is commonly known as the ‘problem of evil’ and I have discussed it from a Christian perspective countless times on this board. I recommend reading The Problem of Pain by C.S.Lewis. I have a copy that I can post to you if you’re willing to educate yourself regarding this subject.
Massachusetts as a 12 years of age limit. Some states don't have one.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_..._United_States

I wonder if CS Lewis was taking the same drugs we he wrote "Alice in Wonderland"?
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
Massachusetts as a 12 years of age limit. Some states don't have one.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_..._United_States

I wonder if CS Lewis was taking the same drugs we he wrote "Alice in Wonderland"?
I think you’re confusing C.S.Lewis with Lewis Carrol.

With regards your source, I’m not sure what it proves in terms of comparing Christianity with Islam. Please elucidate.

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Mohammad married Aisha when she was six, the marriage was consummated when she was nine. Mohammad was a warmonger. Islam was spread by the sword etc. Jesus was celibate and was not a warmonger, in fact He said that His followers were and are to love their enemy. If you think that the historical Mohammad and the historical Jesus of Nazareth were cut from the same cloth, you are grossly mistaken. I will go so far as to say the two men were and are 180° opposed.

I say Salafist Islamists who emulate Mohammad are evil because Mohammad was evil. I say that born-again, bible believing and obedient Christians are good because Jesus was and is good. This is objective truth.

If a person who identifies as a Christian rapes a child they have not done so because Jesus set the example, they have done so because they are paedophilic. If a Muslim man puts his erect ***** in to a nine year old girl’s vagina, he does so because the founder of Islam set the precedent.
Christianity is pretty relaxed about children burning in he'll for all eternity though, so knock it off JT
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i love reading stuff like this thread it reminds me of just how far some lefties will go in life and conversation, some on here could be defence lawers for terrorists they are so good they could even come up with reasons why a fox was in a hen house, i can just hear them now well your honour its the farmers fault for providing a macdonalds for foxes and not locking the door and giving each hen a key, next thing will be well your honour it was the white kids parents fault for allowing her to leave the house
What is this nonsense?
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# And here's to you, Tommy Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know
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God bless you, please, Tommy Robinson
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Hey hey hey, hey hey hey #
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Christianity is pretty relaxed about children burning in he'll for all eternity though, so knock it off JT
Hello, Martin. Jesus is not “relaxed” about children going to hell. A child may go to hell, but only when and if he or she has rejected the Lord once on or passed the age of accountability. I challenge you to find in the bible at what age a child becomes accountable.

Furthermore, given that we appear to be engaged in a game of Abrahamic Top Trumps, it’s worth considering that Mohammad leads and has led billions to ‘Jahannam’ owing to his false prophecy.

The bible states absolutely clearly that it is through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone that one is assured of salvation. To keep this truth from our friends and neighbours in the Ummah is to condemn them.
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Again to protect evidence or future cases/investigations that maybe ongoing.
but the cases are for the same offence so could lead to futher charges.


so i say again, what is the difference?
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Mohammad married Aisha when she was six, the marriage was consummated when she was nine. Mohammad was a warmonger. Islam was spread by the sword etc. Jesus was celibate and was not a warmonger, in fact He said that His followers were and are to love their enemy. If you think that the historical Mohammad and the historical Jesus of Nazareth were cut from the same cloth, you are grossly mistaken. I will go so far as to say the two men were and are 180° opposed.

That is of course if we are assuming that we're discussing two different people and not simply two different peoples views of the same person...
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