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It's all very well blaming the press for triggering panic buying for reporting the FACT that BP and other fuel suppliers were rationing fuel deliveries due to HGV driver shortages. You could also blame the fuel companies for issuing the press releases to the fact. However you also have to blame Brexit for causing the HGV driver shortage which lead to the need of BP and others to ration deliveries in the first place!
Rationing of deliveries at non-BP stations is due to massive demand from media instigated public hysterical and nothing else!
As an example, one petrol station in Stockport, near Manchester, sold 6,159 gallons (28,000 litres) of fuel on Friday, compared to 1,760 gallons (8,000 litres) on the same day (source BBC). You cannot employ or schedule deliveries incase the country suddenly decides to guzzle 3.5times more fuel in the space of one day! It's simply not practical.
No other fuel companies has a shortage of drivers that would affect normal demand. Only BP/Hoyer. They laid off drivers in the pandemic, drivers that were furloughed quit and got work elsewhere (Hoyer has a poor reputation for treating drivers). BP's logistic issue is purely of their own making by not ensuring it and its contractors are treating its staff properly. HR managers were being smart ***** by treating drivers as disposable and its bit them on the **** as they thought they could re-employ drivers post-pandemic (the same has happened in other sectors) without foreseeing a shortage of suitable qualified drivers and the lead time required to re-employ from scratch.
Tanker drivers require additional training and ADR licensing to be employed. No random class one driver can do it. So immediate a majority of HGV drivers be it Uk and EU sourced cannot go straight into the driver seat of a 44ton fuel tanker carrying hazardous liquids.
Throw brexit into the mix by all means, but that's a complication not the cause: BP would likely have still been short on re-employing enough drivers post pandemic.
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"It did happen in the UK a few years ago with blockades of fuel depots IIRC"
More than 20 years ago, caused by rising fuel prices, to which independent lorry drivers took it upon themselves to blockade oil refineries. didn't last long. I remember my tank was full and I had plenty of fuel to outlast the blockade period
This panic buying was due to MSM and Fuel companies causing hysteria
More than 20 years ago, caused by rising fuel prices, to which independent lorry drivers took it upon themselves to blockade oil refineries. didn't last long. I remember my tank was full and I had plenty of fuel to outlast the blockade period
This panic buying was due to MSM and Fuel companies causing hysteria
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"It did happen in the UK a few years ago with blockades of fuel depots IIRC"
More than 20 years ago, caused by rising fuel prices, to which independent lorry drivers took it upon themselves to blockade oil refineries. didn't last long. I remember my tank was full and I had plenty of fuel to outlast the blockade period
This panic buying was due to MSM and Fuel companies causing hysteria
More than 20 years ago, caused by rising fuel prices, to which independent lorry drivers took it upon themselves to blockade oil refineries. didn't last long. I remember my tank was full and I had plenty of fuel to outlast the blockade period
This panic buying was due to MSM and Fuel companies causing hysteria
So I had a Impreza 1.6GL loan car running on fumes. I stopped driving when I heard the fuel pump whining as it started sucking in air. Syphoned fuel out the mower to deliver it back
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Rationing of deliveries at non-BP stations is due to massive demand from media instigated public hysterical and nothing else!
As an example, one petrol station in Stockport, near Manchester, sold 6,159 gallons (28,000 litres) of fuel on Friday, compared to 1,760 gallons (8,000 litres) on the same day (source BBC). You cannot employ or schedule deliveries incase the country suddenly decides to guzzle 3.5times more fuel in the space of one day! It's simply not practical.
No other fuel companies has a shortage of drivers that would affect normal demand. Only BP/Hoyer. They laid off drivers in the pandemic, drivers that were furloughed quit and got work elsewhere (Hoyer has a poor reputation for treating drivers). BP's logistic issue is purely of their own making by not ensuring it and its contractors are treating its staff properly. HR managers were being smart ***** by treating drivers as disposable and its bit them on the **** as they thought they could re-employ drivers post-pandemic (the same has happened in other sectors) without foreseeing a shortage of suitable qualified drivers and the lead time required to re-employ from scratch.
Tanker drivers require additional training and ADR licensing to be employed. No random class one driver can do it. So immediate a majority of HGV drivers be it Uk and EU sourced cannot go straight into the driver seat of a 44ton fuel tanker carrying hazardous liquids.
Throw brexit into the mix by all means, but that's a complication not the cause: BP would likely have still been short on re-employing enough drivers post pandemic.
As an example, one petrol station in Stockport, near Manchester, sold 6,159 gallons (28,000 litres) of fuel on Friday, compared to 1,760 gallons (8,000 litres) on the same day (source BBC). You cannot employ or schedule deliveries incase the country suddenly decides to guzzle 3.5times more fuel in the space of one day! It's simply not practical.
No other fuel companies has a shortage of drivers that would affect normal demand. Only BP/Hoyer. They laid off drivers in the pandemic, drivers that were furloughed quit and got work elsewhere (Hoyer has a poor reputation for treating drivers). BP's logistic issue is purely of their own making by not ensuring it and its contractors are treating its staff properly. HR managers were being smart ***** by treating drivers as disposable and its bit them on the **** as they thought they could re-employ drivers post-pandemic (the same has happened in other sectors) without foreseeing a shortage of suitable qualified drivers and the lead time required to re-employ from scratch.
Tanker drivers require additional training and ADR licensing to be employed. No random class one driver can do it. So immediate a majority of HGV drivers be it Uk and EU sourced cannot go straight into the driver seat of a 44ton fuel tanker carrying hazardous liquids.
Throw brexit into the mix by all means, but that's a complication not the cause: BP would likely have still been short on re-employing enough drivers post pandemic.
Its simply not true that other fuel companies were not having problems, they were, maybe not as bad as BP or maybe they just hadn't made a press release, but they were having issues. Sure the panic buying was triggered by the publication of that information, but if the press hadn't printed, it would have become apparent sooner or later which would also trigger a panic.
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Go on the uk tanker forums. They know more than you.
There's even UK drivers on there actually available for work with ADR snd current PCP (apart from some won't work for Hoyer due to pay and conditions).
Excuse the C+P:
Quick heads up for some of you people who are now supply chain experts all of a sudden.
TO BE CLEAR
Petrol tanker drivers have an (PDP) ADR qualification as well as a HGV licence. They need this for them to drive petrol tanker lorries.
There is a shortage of HGV drivers. That's a true fact but we’ve had a shortage for years, we have a 100,000 shortfall, that doesn’t happen overnight!!
HGV drivers cannot drive a petrol Tanker lorry without having an ADR qualification.
The UK had ADR drivers last week. NOTHING repeat NOTHING changed much in a week. Maybe some holiday or some sickness but not, I doubt a dramatic change.
The ADR drivers that were driving last week are still driving this week delivering fuel. So nothing has changed.
The petrol panic we are now experiencing is all down too media hype.
It's not because of brexit because all the EU drivers went back to Europe. Which is some of the reasons being banded about.
These EU HGV drivers left months ago, and yet the country was still getting fuel without problems up until today.
So what's changed? Nothing !!
Apart from the disgraceful media hype and scaremongering to make news. Too sensationalise the fact that a couple of petrol stations were getting a late delivery so they closed.
The Result of the media scaremongering!!
Massive panic and chaos by everyone. Which is now causing a shortage of fuel until the ADR drivers, that we already had delivering fuel a few days ago, can deliver again.
The media should be fined and penalised, severely for publicising false news and creating the crazy situation that has been going on all today. Disgusting. They should hold their heads in shame.
And to top it the government have 1000’s of trained military personnel who are available if there was a real fuel crisis. Bloody Media!! Bloody sheep, bloody selfish mentality.
Meanwhile local Lidl has ran out of bog roll...not joking!
There's even UK drivers on there actually available for work with ADR snd current PCP (apart from some won't work for Hoyer due to pay and conditions).
Excuse the C+P:
Quick heads up for some of you people who are now supply chain experts all of a sudden.
TO BE CLEAR
Petrol tanker drivers have an (PDP) ADR qualification as well as a HGV licence. They need this for them to drive petrol tanker lorries.
There is a shortage of HGV drivers. That's a true fact but we’ve had a shortage for years, we have a 100,000 shortfall, that doesn’t happen overnight!!
HGV drivers cannot drive a petrol Tanker lorry without having an ADR qualification.
The UK had ADR drivers last week. NOTHING repeat NOTHING changed much in a week. Maybe some holiday or some sickness but not, I doubt a dramatic change.
The ADR drivers that were driving last week are still driving this week delivering fuel. So nothing has changed.
The petrol panic we are now experiencing is all down too media hype.
It's not because of brexit because all the EU drivers went back to Europe. Which is some of the reasons being banded about.
These EU HGV drivers left months ago, and yet the country was still getting fuel without problems up until today.
So what's changed? Nothing !!
Apart from the disgraceful media hype and scaremongering to make news. Too sensationalise the fact that a couple of petrol stations were getting a late delivery so they closed.
The Result of the media scaremongering!!
Massive panic and chaos by everyone. Which is now causing a shortage of fuel until the ADR drivers, that we already had delivering fuel a few days ago, can deliver again.
The media should be fined and penalised, severely for publicising false news and creating the crazy situation that has been going on all today. Disgusting. They should hold their heads in shame.
And to top it the government have 1000’s of trained military personnel who are available if there was a real fuel crisis. Bloody Media!! Bloody sheep, bloody selfish mentality.
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My usual en-route petrol station on BBC news (Callow oils). It's the cheapest in the Wyre Forest so your queuing on a normal day!
Also has large stocks of Butty Bach and Bathams. Served me well during lockdown
Also has large stocks of Butty Bach and Bathams. Served me well during lockdown
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Sure! So tell me, why are there no problems with BP (or Aral in Germany) in other countries? Why is it just the UK where this is happening? Other countries have had Covid19, have laid off drivers and all of the above excuses you mention above, but only the UK is having problems. Why is that? If its not Brexit, then what else has the UK done so differently from every other country in the world that has lead to the current problems?
Its simply not true that other fuel companies were not having problems, they were, maybe not as bad as BP or maybe they just hadn't made a press release, but they were having issues. Sure the panic buying was triggered by the publication of that information, but if the press hadn't printed, it would have become apparent sooner or later which would also trigger a panic.
Its simply not true that other fuel companies were not having problems, they were, maybe not as bad as BP or maybe they just hadn't made a press release, but they were having issues. Sure the panic buying was triggered by the publication of that information, but if the press hadn't printed, it would have become apparent sooner or later which would also trigger a panic.
As I think I posted earlier, sure Brexit is one of the reasons, but it's one of many. But wtf would you work in the uk away from your family, when/if you could work in your country of origin and have a better standard of living and not put up with ****? I've got my HGV license, but why would I go drive a truck? My reasons have nothing at all to do with Brexit; they are probably similar to the other 60-70k of C+E license holders on the DVLA database who don't use the entitlement.
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This Brexit government still think they can pick n choose from poorest parts of Europe to prepare the nations Turkey - and then send them packing when finished with
this is the government you voted for
this is the government you voted for
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There was no alternative, or should I say, best of a bad lot - which is sad in itself. Does anyone think that Angela Rayner is helping matters at the moment in making Labour electable?
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Have a read of this: https://orynski.eu/20-reasons-why-th...ers-in-the-uk/
As I think I posted earlier, sure Brexit is one of the reasons, but it's one of many. But wtf would you work in the uk away from your family, when/if you could work in your country of origin and have a better standard of living and not put up with ****? I've got my HGV license, but why would I go drive a truck? My reasons have nothing at all to do with Brexit; they are probably similar to the other 60-70k of C+E license holders on the DVLA database who don't use the entitlement.
As I think I posted earlier, sure Brexit is one of the reasons, but it's one of many. But wtf would you work in the uk away from your family, when/if you could work in your country of origin and have a better standard of living and not put up with ****? I've got my HGV license, but why would I go drive a truck? My reasons have nothing at all to do with Brexit; they are probably similar to the other 60-70k of C+E license holders on the DVLA database who don't use the entitlement.
That blog is class: https://orynski.eu/that-moment-when-...tish-motorway/
Anyone who drives regularly through the UK and EU can relate...the journey's great until you reach Calais and then it progressively gets ****tier once you hit the M25 and attempt to head North.
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Go on the uk tanker forums. They know more than you.
There's even UK drivers on there actually available for work with ADR snd current PCP (apart from some won't work for Hoyer due to pay and conditions).
Excuse the C+P:
Meanwhile local Lidl has ran out of bog roll...not joking!
There's even UK drivers on there actually available for work with ADR snd current PCP (apart from some won't work for Hoyer due to pay and conditions).
Excuse the C+P:
Meanwhile local Lidl has ran out of bog roll...not joking!
Sure, the media hyped the story and the stupid British public panicked and made the situation worse. The press didn't just make up the story though, the story was a response to a press briefing initially from BP, but with other distributers also confirming the problem. In the end, the press were only reporting the story as they were briefed.
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Have a read of this: https://orynski.eu/20-reasons-why-th...ers-in-the-uk/
As I think I posted earlier, sure Brexit is one of the reasons, but it's one of many. But wtf would you work in the uk away from your family, when/if you could work in your country of origin and have a better standard of living and not put up with ****? I've got my HGV license, but why would I go drive a truck? My reasons have nothing at all to do with Brexit; they are probably similar to the other 60-70k of C+E license holders on the DVLA database who don't use the entitlement.
As I think I posted earlier, sure Brexit is one of the reasons, but it's one of many. But wtf would you work in the uk away from your family, when/if you could work in your country of origin and have a better standard of living and not put up with ****? I've got my HGV license, but why would I go drive a truck? My reasons have nothing at all to do with Brexit; they are probably similar to the other 60-70k of C+E license holders on the DVLA database who don't use the entitlement.
You have to question, if Brexit is not the problem, how will using temporary visas be the solution? I can't see many drivers wanting to come from the EU or other developed countries on temporary visas. This scheme will only attract drivers from poorer countries with an increase risk of them absconding when their visas run out!
Good read that!
You have to question, if Brexit is not the problem, how will using temporary visas be the solution? I can't see many drivers wanting to come from the EU or other developed countries on temporary visas. This scheme will only attract drivers from poorer countries with an increase risk of them absconding when their visas run out!
You have to question, if Brexit is not the problem, how will using temporary visas be the solution? I can't see many drivers wanting to come from the EU or other developed countries on temporary visas. This scheme will only attract drivers from poorer countries with an increase risk of them absconding when their visas run out!
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That blog is class: https://orynski.eu/that-moment-when-...tish-motorway/
Anyone who drives regularly through the UK and EU can relate...the journey's great until you reach Calais and then it progressively gets ****tier once you hit the M25 and attempt to head North.
Anyone who drives regularly through the UK and EU can relate...the journey's great until you reach Calais and then it progressively gets ****tier once you hit the M25 and attempt to head North.
how well does superglue stick to a damp road surface anyway ?
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One in 12 cars sold across the continent between April and June this year ran on batteries alone. If hybrid models that use both an engine and a battery are counted, this rises to one in three. Sales of electric cars in Europe have jumped from 198,000 in 2018 to an expected 1.17m this year.
anticipate 40% domestic German car sales to be pure EV in less than 4 years.
High teens into 20s now of Tesla model 3 per morning I see
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One in 12 cars sold across the continent between April and June this year ran on batteries alone. If hybrid models that use both an engine and a battery are counted, this rises to one in three. Sales of electric cars in Europe have jumped from 198,000 in 2018 to an expected 1.17m this year.
anticipate 40% domestic German car sales to be pure EV in less than 4 years.
High teens into 20s now of Tesla model 3 per morning I see
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Well, in particularly "mild" hybrids" and "self charging" hybrids aren't much better.
There is a little merit for plug-in hybrids but to be true to the cause they all need geo fencing with managed usage logging as part of the tax break to make sure drivers actually bother to plug them in (One report showed that many fleet PHEVs are never plugged in).
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Tesla in Germany
Tesla has outsold BMW 3, Audi, A4, Mercedes C combined in September.
Quite a feather in the cap
Quite a feather in the cap
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BMW iX is going to help a lot here...
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Anyone ever noted how high the driver is and how low the dash/windscreen line is on the Tesla Model 3...Quite nice to see with oncoming women drivers when they're wearing low cut tops
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Anyone ever noted how high the driver is and how low the dash/windscreen line is on the Tesla Model 3...Quite nice to see with oncoming women drivers when they're wearing low cut tops
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May explain it...Some look like they are positioned like they're driving the Jetsons' flying car; Where most of the torso is above the bottom window line.
Guessing they raise the height in a futile attempt to see the end of the bonnet? (somewhat pointless given all the front end sensors
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Guessing they raise the height in a futile attempt to see the end of the bonnet? (somewhat pointless given all the front end sensors
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Londoners ditching diesel vehicles 6 times faster than the rest of the UK, since the introduction of the ULEZ.
This represents 128,000 fewer diesels since 2017 A 15% reduction since 2017-2020.
So folk will move over to alternative powered transport. I suspect most went to petrol, however electric is on the march in london and Yorkshire
Between 2018 and 2019, the uptake of electric vehicles had only increased by 26%, but by the end of 2020, that figure stood at 125%. In 2019, Yorkshire registered the most EVs compared to 2018, closely followed by London.
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UK EV growth. Region London 2019 9,686 2018-2019 % Increase 52% 2020 13,956 2019-2020 % Increase 44%
This represents 128,000 fewer diesels since 2017 A 15% reduction since 2017-2020.
So folk will move over to alternative powered transport. I suspect most went to petrol, however electric is on the march in london and Yorkshire
Between 2018 and 2019, the uptake of electric vehicles had only increased by 26%, but by the end of 2020, that figure stood at 125%. In 2019, Yorkshire registered the most EVs compared to 2018, closely followed by London.
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UK EV growth. Region London 2019 9,686 2018-2019 % Increase 52% 2020 13,956 2019-2020 % Increase 44%
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Pet hate on new cars; Including Teslas and especially Kias with Auto braking and adaptive cruise:
On the motorway the F**king things keep dabbing on the brake lights every 5 to 10 seconds. Extremely irritating to anyone following, I have to overtake the sodding things (assuming they aren't hogging the overtaking lane) as I have no idea how hard it's going to brake...especially when they suddenly brake hard for no reason.
On the motorway the F**king things keep dabbing on the brake lights every 5 to 10 seconds. Extremely irritating to anyone following, I have to overtake the sodding things (assuming they aren't hogging the overtaking lane) as I have no idea how hard it's going to brake...especially when they suddenly brake hard for no reason.
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Drivers driving far too close
It will be due to regen braking and the fact that they're driving far too close to vehicle in front-careless driving. When on adaptive cruise the car sets a gap, around two second rule, varies speed to the vehicle in front.-reactionary.
-4C here this morning, putting bins out, our Nissan, steaming melting the ice.
I've got 5p per kWatt electricity for such periods to charge and precondition the car.
It will be due to regen braking and the fact that they're driving far too close to vehicle in front-careless driving. When on adaptive cruise the car sets a gap, around two second rule, varies speed to the vehicle in front.-reactionary.
-4C here this morning, putting bins out, our Nissan, steaming melting the ice.
I've got 5p per kWatt electricity for such periods to charge and precondition the car.
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Our company is looking at introducing some kind of salary sacrifice scheme for leccy cars. Not quite sure how it works, but seems you save over 40% on usual lease schemes, assuming you're a higher rate tax payer anyway. Does anyone else have access to one of these schemes and do you really save that much wonga?