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Old Nov 30, 2021 | 06:48 AM
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Model 3 long range company car tax indication

Financial Year 2020-21

BIK Tax Rate 1% P11D Value from £51,435 Benefit in Kind (BIK) £514 BIK @ 20% £9 pcm BIK @ 40% £17 pcm BIK @ 45% £19 pcm

Financial Year 2021-22

BIK Tax Rate 1% P11D Value from £51,435 Benefit in Kind (BIK) £514 BIK @ 20% £9 pcm BIK @ 40% £17 pcm BIK @ 45% £19 pcm

Financial Year 2022-23

BIK Tax Rate 2% P11D Value from £51,435 Benefit in Kind (BIK) £1,029 BIK @ 20% £17 pcm BIK @ 40% £34 pcm BIK @ 45% £39 pcm

Go an compare to what you're paying now
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Old Nov 30, 2021 | 06:53 AM
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something equivalent

BMW 3 Series Saloon M340i xDrive (MHT) Sport-Auto

A company car driver can expect to pay vehicle benefit tax If the company pays for the use of fuel on private journeys, tax on fuel benefit will also be applied. Use our fuel benefit check tool to give you an indication of what this would look like.

Vehicle benefit tax

Tax year to 5th April 2021/22 2022/23 2023/24 P11D value £49,960 £49,960 £49,960 Percentage charge 37% 37% 37% Benefit in kind £18,485 £18,485 £18,485 Tax payable at 20% £3,697 £3,697 £3,697 Tax payable at 40% £7,394 £7,394 £7,394

Fuel benefit tax

Tax year to 5th April 2021/22 2022/23 P11D value £24,600 £24,600 Percentage charge 37% 37% Benefit in kind £9,102 £9,102 Tax payable at 20% £1,820 £1,820 Tax payable at 40% £3,641 £3,641
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Old Nov 30, 2021 | 06:55 AM
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2021

my *** packet look

Tesla Model 3 £34/ month

BMW 340i £616/month

As you can see BIK is 2% next year and will keep going up, but also will running a polluter vehicle through company

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Old Nov 30, 2021 | 07:21 PM
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Just had one of the fleet in for some work:





2017 Focus 1.5d estate
179098 miles
That's a average 44,774 miles a year!
It would be higher it wasn't for the lockdowns!

And it gallivants across the country to various sites where charge points aren't readily available (unless stopping off at services en-route; not productive when the driver is 'on the clock' ).

It'll do over 600miles per tank (real world average consumption is 58mpg) so can do a return leg and fill up at the depot (so cheaper fuel). Its simple to work on so brake pads and service costs are reasonable, it also runs sensibly sized "normal" tyres which are cheaper than run flat/eco/acoustic low profile tyres. And it costs less than £21k when new; The closest pure electric equivalent with adequate boot would be a Skoda Enyaq which is about £32K new and can only manage 250miles (claimed)... its just not quite there yet.



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Old Nov 30, 2021 | 08:08 PM
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The 600 mile journey would include some comfort stops produce 85kg of C02 52grams of NOX. Serving required every year or 12.5k miles. Serviced 14 times in 4 years at around £250 so £3.5K.

Not cost of fuel approx 3000 gallons of diesel currently around £6 so £18000.00

Electric would have cost around from £2.5k to £9k if used peak electric pricing.

Using worst scenario of charging costs. Well on the way to completely cancelling any price difference.

Zero C02 whilst driving. Far less servicing. Then there is BIK which EVs are hugely beneficial at the moment.

No brainer

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Old Nov 30, 2021 | 08:27 PM
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No comfort breaks as they go from destination to destination then back to base where they are refuelled (they run HGVs so buy fuel in bulk), so rarely refuel en-route.

A 250 mile range and wasting hours having top up charge is currently their main reasons for not buying. They do have a few 32amp charge points at the base, but these are to serve the office staff that don't really drive anywhere.....so ironically the lowest polluters (by miles driven rather than urban stop start vs motorway use) are the ones going to drive 'leccy cars.



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Burning someone else’s wood keeps us greener, apparently


https://www.independent.co.uk/climat...64331.html?amp
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Old Dec 1, 2021 | 06:54 AM
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Only a slight change of habit charge when having comfort break. Nobody drives 300 miles non stop-if they do its highly dangerous for themselves and every other person who crosses their path. Policy change at the office or install further 7/11kw chargers-we are going to need to do that anyway.
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Originally Posted by IdonthaveaScooby
Burning someone else’s wood keeps us greener, apparently


https://www.independent.co.uk/climat...64331.html?amp

I was checking out reviews for some UK based kiln dried firewood suppliers as I have a wood burner, which I don't use much but keep some wood for when its mega cold outside, if the heatpump glitches or power cuts - like last weekend as I'm on overhead power and our HV circuit goes through woodland so a tendency to get shorted by branches in storms).

Turns out some of the popular nationwide companies import it from Latvia and Lithuania!!

So, what's the carbon footprint of that? Kiln drying it, transporting it thousands of miles and then burning it?

They cite on the websites that its sustainably sourced but how can they guarantee that?
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Originally Posted by andy97
Model 3 long range company car tax indication

Financial Year 2020-21

BIK Tax Rate 1% P11D Value from £51,435 Benefit in Kind (BIK) £514 BIK @ 20% £9 pcm BIK @ 40% £17 pcm BIK @ 45% £19 pcm

Financial Year 2021-22

BIK Tax Rate 1% P11D Value from £51,435 Benefit in Kind (BIK) £514 BIK @ 20% £9 pcm BIK @ 40% £17 pcm BIK @ 45% £19 pcm

Financial Year 2022-23

BIK Tax Rate 2% P11D Value from £51,435 Benefit in Kind (BIK) £1,029 BIK @ 20% £17 pcm BIK @ 40% £34 pcm BIK @ 45% £39 pcm

Go an compare to what you're paying now
Reading that, I knew that, but I think you missed the question in my post? I'm talking about the salary sacrifice, not the BIK tax rates.
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Reading that, I knew that, but I think you missed the question in my post? I'm talking about the salary sacrifice, not the BIK tax rates.
A quick Google search, there seems to significant benefits taking an EV on salary sacrifice than ICE.

Presumably, its all in the greater scheme to attract more users onto electric.

If you're being offered such a good deal compared to a similar priced ICE, get it. There are literally no downsides to running an EV.
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Originally Posted by andy97
A quick Google search, there seems to significant benefits taking an EV on salary sacrifice than ICE.

Presumably, its all in the greater scheme to attract more users onto electric.

If you're being offered such a good deal compared to a similar priced ICE, get it. There are literally no downsides to running an EV.
I just wondered if anyone was already on such a scheme. But I supposed with only 7 active posters on SN, the chances are limited

Hopefully the same incentive rolls on to Hydrogen cars as/when they become available.
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
I just wondered if anyone was already on such a scheme. But I supposed with only 7 active posters on SN, the chances are limited

Hopefully the same incentive rolls on to Hydrogen cars as/when they become available.
If you're holding out

You will be retired and beyond before hydrogen gets a foothold in the private vehicle market.

Even the reluctant Toyota has now said they will make electric vehicles- albeit begrudgingly.

7 active users-that many
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lugging round all those batteries ...

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...esel-cars.html


do you even get a spare wheel ?
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Over 100,000 miles with EV in 3 years. No punctures, just a set of tyres for each of our vehicles.

Utter codswallop, clickbait.

Shall we talk of the thousands saved in not buying petrol
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Rich is next doing Corvette EV conversion
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Well if they aren't runflats, then you are screwed. Especially if you opt for big rims and sub-40 profile tyres

I can attest to seeing runflats driven to near complete destruction over hundreds of miles and the car remains surprisingly stable -I'm both impressed and disgusted by both the tyre's ability to remain driveable and the driver's sheer ignorance at ignoring the dash warnings for several weeks.

We've been slowly "conditioned" into not having a spare tyre with silly excuses saying they add weight (10kg is naff all) or take too much space when modern cars with no spare have no extra boot space...the wheel well is now taken up by a giant exhaust silencer or batteries and electronics). A lot of interior space in cars is wasted; So much void area behind quarter panels, under front carpets and dashboards.

Weight is a big issue on many cars, and it's not all due to safety. Its got so bad that older VAGs out-handle their newer counterparts on Elk tests because the weight distribution screws up the ESP.
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Originally Posted by andy97
Rich is next doing Corvette EV conversion

I quite like his Corvette engined Model S
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Old Dec 7, 2021 | 08:40 PM
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I quite like his Corvette engined Model S
So do I. Looks very well thought through, nice little design features. Its his kick in the nuts to Tesla after cancelling his referral bonuses. Je jad enough for a Roadster.
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Originally Posted by andy97
Over 100,000 miles with EV in 3 years. No punctures, just a set of tyres for each of our vehicles.

Utter codswallop, clickbait.

Shall we talk of the thousands saved in not buying petrol
I don't think it's clickbait as such, just very poor interpretation of the data. My take on it is this - there's far less else to go wrong on an EV than on an ICE vehicle, so that's why wheels/tyres make up a higher % of call-outs. Not because their wheels/tyres fail more often in absolute number terms.
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Stuck on cruise / auto presumably.



https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...er-2021-12-16/
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So you didn't read the article then. Tesla has supplied necessary information to the French authorities. By the way, the Tesla was stopped at traffic lights- before it accelerated towards the crowd of people.

Now

I could make up a completely different outcome using your pluck it out of the sky theory. It was a terrorist attack, the driver who having lived in the west became disillusioned with Tesla's meteoric rise and wanted revenge to appease his dog


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Originally Posted by andy97
So you didn't read the article then. Tesla has supplied necessary information to the French authorities. By the way, the Tesla was stopped at traffic lights- before it accelerated towards the crowd of people.

Now

I could make up a completely different outcome using your pluck it out of the sky theory. It was a terrorist attack, the driver who having lived in the west became disillusioned with Tesla's meteoric rise and wanted revenge to appease his dog
There have been dozens of cases in the US of Tesla's unexpectedly accelerating! Another example of Tesla's lapse attitude to safety and using the public as beta testers!
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There have been dozens of cases in the US of Tesla's unexpectedly accelerating! Another example of Tesla's lapse attitude to safety and using the public as beta testers!
https://electrek.co/2021/01/08/tesla...g-pedal-nhtsa/

To summarise. The NHTSA found driver error was rhe cause, using wrong pedals The misinformation started by

the petition with NHTSA was started by a TSLA short seller.

Tesla have far superior safety record when safety systems are activated compared to virtually all other manufacturers
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So the French one on realizing his mistake decided to smashed it up against the nearest bins / pedestrians instead of coming off the gas and onto the brake !?
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So the French one on realizing his mistake decided to smashed it up against the nearest bins / pedestrians instead of coming off the gas and onto the brake !?
I dont know, you certainly dont know. However Tesla definitely will know having real time telemetry
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From https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...nt-2021-12-15/
"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) did not consider software defects in its investigation, and French investigators need to look at software as a potential cause."

Tesla wouldn't blame their car, would they? That's why an outside investigator should be involved.

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Originally Posted by andy97
https://electrek.co/2021/01/08/tesla...g-pedal-nhtsa/

To summarise. The NHTSA found driver error was rhe cause, using wrong pedals The misinformation started by

the petition with NHTSA was started by a TSLA short seller.

Tesla have far superior safety record when safety systems are activated compared to virtually all other manufacturers
They don't give the impression that functional safety is taken as seriously as other OEMs.
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Had some amusing chat with some AA recovery guys last week. A lot of their call outs now are punctures on cars without spares, but increasingly EVs - whose owner seem to shred the tyres beyond repair rather than stop/re-inflate etc. Whether thats the type of people that drive them (like stereotypical Dacia drivers, Audi drivers etc) treating them like a white good appliance and never checking tyre conditions/pressures, or they are just more of them about. Problem is a quick temp plug repair is impossible with a wrecked tyre so they end up being flat-bedded to a tyre supplier/fitter...so a 30min job with a van end up being several hours waiting for a flatbed recovery truck. They won't tow a FWD EV on a specs truck due to the electric parking brakes self applying mid-tow (they don't trust "tow modes" - nor would I - got cars stuck in the workshop due to park/brakes auto applying when they shouldn't) and obviously AWD is a nono anyway.

The other issue is dead battery and low battery shut down. Seems a lot of the people they get called out are the ones that like to live dangerously and run the battery below 20% and thinking the range is enough for them to limp home. Then find themselves stuck as the real range vs. indicated isn't accurate (obviously...no different to ICE cars). It's possible that these driver are also the ones that used to drive their previous ICE car with the fuel light on all the time and wondering why £10 of petrol won't turn off the warning light anymore (as they've only bought 7litres ). Anyhoo they end up with their EV car shutting down.

Now the recovery vans are equipped with booster packs that are supposed to supply enough power to get the car up and running again to drive to a nearby charge point (or home)....in theory. They don't work! They smell/feel like they are going to melt when charging the car, but the net result is the same; Dead car. And a wait if several hours for a flatbed to come available to drag it home. Which lies another issue...the electric parking brake being stuck on! Which means it can only be unloaded to directly behind where the truck can park. Now think about recovering back to home in a tight cul-de-sac. And also not wanting to leave skid marks on the owner's drive. So it gets unloaded in the road...problem is the charge cable won't reach from the house!!

Then there's is one of a total battery electrics failure on a warrantied Jaguar. Flatbeded to dealership...who wouldn't accept it. Taken to another, who wouldn't accept it either. A third, same. Senior management get involved, say take back to first garage as it's been ok'd with them. Get there, nope, they still don't want it! More phone calls ensue and it eventually gets left outside the dealership with the owner turning up (had being dropped off home earlier) to have a rant at them.

So if you have a genuine break down (I blew a coolant pipe and lost all my coolant in the fast lane of the M5 - sh*t happens on 15yr old car ) and your recovery guys have no flatbeds available...chances are they are all out dragging flat tyres and flat EVs somewhere.

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