andy97

iTrader: (1)

Those type of folk, there is no helping them at all. If parachuting, they wouldn't pull the cord to deploy

Now,now, all you have to do is **** in the tank

andy97

iTrader: (1)

I'm already on board, currently with 3 EVs in the family. We live in the countryside and have satisfied ourselves the practicality of owning a mid range and long range vehicle.

30,000 miles from the Nissan Leaf in 18 months with less than 5 rapid charges clearly demonstrates to practical capability of an EV.

My comment about diesel was highlight development of technology.

Tidgy

explains the blinkers then, you polutionist you hahaha

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

In other news I’ve just driven past Gadaffi’s old plane (A340), it hasn’t moved much since last time I drove past it two years ago. I wonder how much longer it would have to sit there in Perpignan before it offsets the former dictator’s carbon footprint

andy97

iTrader: (1)

Puts the whole myth about EV in context. Only terrible payback if solely charge from coal power stations- hardly the case in UK/Europe

andy97

iTrader: (1)

Another

BMWhere?

Seen that video before! I don't question the fact that EV's will save CO2 over the life of the vehicle vs ICE, but the saving is not massive. There are also a few factors to consider in his video, for the ICE he's using average CO2 figures for the US, but the US has hugely inefficient vehicles compared to the European market where small vehicles are much more popular. Also, he points out that in states with high CO2 electricity, the EV is not the best option, particularly the Tesla with a bigger battery, often hybrids are much better, although in Europe we are somewhat ahead of the US on green energy generation.

The big flaw in his video though is when it comes to the mining question. He rightly points out that the amount of Lithium is lower that Cobalt and Nickel, but actually the environmental damage of Cobalt and Nickel mining is worst than that for Lithium anyway and often the Cobalt and Nickel cannot be recycled as easily as Lithium can. The next issue is the environmental damage associated with Lithium. He makes out that Lithium in produced in deserts where nothing lives, which is more or less true, but Lithium mining requires vast amounts of water which is taken from the ground water, usually not directly from the area as the ground water is too deep, but pumped from many miles away where people, plants and animals do live. This is resulting in wells, lakes and rivers drying up and the desert expanding. Secondly, chemicals are added to the water in order to extract the Lithium, this drains deep into the ground and pollutes the ground water which is then carried for many miles further polluting wells and rivers downstream from the deserts. The other problem he didn't address is that batteries are not just Lithium, Nickel and Cobalt, but also full of acidic chemicals which cause further pollution in their creation and even more so in the scrapping of batteries.

Essentially, batteries are bad - REALLY BAD! The bigger the battery, the worse the problem. Tesla's may well be the best EVs from a user point, but they are also certainly the worst from an environmental point, not just CO2 but overall environmental damage! If you want a EV with minimal environmental impact, then you need to go small, like a Smart or Renault Twizzy. I'm all for small EVs in inner cities removing exhaust emissions from city centres, which is great for health reasons. The Tesla is also a phenomenal technical achievement and certainly a great car regarding the usability and range of EVs. But all the Tesla owners smugly driving around thinking they are some form of grown up Greta Thunbergs are sadly mistaken! EVs probably will replace ICE in popularity in the coming years, simply because they are being pushed so much by the government and manufacturers, but they are not going to save the planet - to do that, much more drastic action is required, such as swapping you car for a bicycle!

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

May I chime here, I believe that I tripped across an article that showed the USA’s power grid efficiency is better than the likes of the UK. I think we hovered at 8 to 9% whereas the USA was closer to 6%. Might not sound much but we’re talking Gigawatts here so 1% here and there does mount up.

Whilst that may not be ‘Green Energy’ it’s energy actually being used rather than wasted.

andy97

iTrader: (1)

Pretty slow charging

Cant wait for 1000 miles per hour

andy97

iTrader: (1)

For the first time UK renewable energy sources have surpassed fossil fuel supply. This is good news and bodes well for cleaner energy for the future.

Now you foookers get an EV for commuting

dpb

https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2011/0...lly-renewable/




Weve basically got to Double the quantity of windmills and solar

andy97

iTrader: (1)

Good,

BMWhere?

I'll keep my petrol car thanks! I'll do my bit for the environment though other lifestyle changes including cycling and using more public transport, buying more local products, reducing packaging and plastic waste and generally considered changes rather than just jumping on the EV bandwagon without considering the realities of climate change!

coupe_20vt

iTrader: (2)

No thanks. My wife will keep her Pug diesel and I'll keep my gas guzzling motor.

However, I will continue to recycle all I can, reduce my use of plastic and cycle where and when I can.
Until I'm forced to go down the EV route, I won't be having one on my drive.

jonc

I can't take the range anxiety of electric vehicles so will stick with my 3ltr twin turbo in the meantime.

andy97

iTrader: (1)

There are quite a few that will do 250+

I dont know many folk who desire to drive 200+ in one go non stop, thats around 4 hours driving.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Oh they do exist...

At least twice a year we drive 10 to 12 hours non-stop with two 30min breaks and driver swap. That will include approx at least one partial refuel (about quarter tank left, but is also brimmed on the Spainish/French boarder as Spain is currently alot cheaper) on a journey totalling 20hours driving and approx 1350miles.

We are also the same people that demand proper arm rests and fully adjustable rear seats that are equally as good as the front seats (Like the Granada Scorpio used to be) with a estate or hatchback sized boot (ergo not a saloon) and tyres and NHV dynamics that quash road noise (something totally forgotten by manufacturers that insist on fitting 20” wheels for pure sakes of vanity ).

Considering that the likes of Extinction Rebellion consider it as a reprehensible act to fly, if they bankrolled a influential enough lobby group that successfully pursued s government to tax/restrict air travel, the cross-country car trips could become a more regular occurrence (well, for me at least ).

jonc

Well I drive the the Alps which is nearly 800 miles, electric cars just aren't practical enough for me.

dpb

You should all buy an additional leccy car for town roundabout....!

Further polluting the world

dpb

Saw something on box earlier

Family guy with leccy van for work , had to break up his journey to charge vehicle

35 minute charge - for another 40 miles driving

Theres going have to be seismic advances

BMWhere?

Or an alternative solution!

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Best bit is what they didn’t tell you...

Its a van made by a company (SAIC) owned by the Chinese state.

It was originally made and developed by LDV and Daewoo until their collapse so the Chinese bought all the scraps of the business on the cheap and cobbled together this pathetic excuse for a milk float (actually might make a good milk delivery van as the local milkman uses a Transit). They also did the same with the reminants of Rover, apart from it appears they’ve finally fixed the head gasket on the K-Series.

Seeing that saving the environment is partly a moral issue...is there a moral concern that the manufacturer is a state owned asset stripper? The demise of West Midlands industry and manufacturing has forced workers to travel further and further to and from work causing increased pollution as well as overloading our transport infrastructure. Rubery and Rednal is now a London worker commuter belt and Washwood heath is a HS2 depot (if it ever gets finished)!

andy97

iTrader: (1)

Family guy with a van,odd combination, what make capacity van?

The Nissan NV200 will do 125 miles per charge

coupe_20vt

iTrader: (2)

Is that the best on offer?

My son is a Lift maintenance Engineer and often does 150+ miles a day, some days it's well over 200 miles.
A van that will only do 125 miles is completely useless for his needs. That probably explains why his company have just leased 150 Diesel vans.

dpb

Was his works van ....!


Wince every time see an MG

, hideous chinese people carrier contraptions

dpb

So thats less than a hundered in reality , after 17 hours overnight charge

andy97

iTrader: (1)

Its the low end of range town range something like 170 miles

Doesnt take 17 hours, our Nissan charged from virtually zero miles to full in 7 hours, usually its under 5 hours overnight economy 7 tariff

jonc

That's the problem with electric, charge time. It would take days to make a long journey where it would only take half a day for an ICE car.

dpb

How is he even going to charge it at all if he lives in terraced house with no front garden

andy97

iTrader: (1)

If its a company vehicle it will be left at work to charge overnight-simples