andy97

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Thats bullsh!te. It would only an 1hr15 to recharge my Tesla to do 900 miles in the day. But in reality it would be less, because at least one or both ICE stops would be extended to rest, eat and go to the loo. So way less than an hours difference. There are quite a few distance comparisons by Tesla owners in the USA doing long drives

Plus no emissions.

Such negative propoganda, just because EVs will take over from ICE

dpb

So ,a man and his van will dissappear

Good bye self emp one man bands

dpb

Tough titty if you can't afford tesla s ...

jonc

Not negative propaganda at all, just being a realist. In reality you'd never even get anywhere near half of 900 miles. Tesla even quotes a range of only 220 miles in cold highway driving on their Model S Long Range and that's excluding driving in the dark, with the kids all using their iPads/iPhone, satnav, aircon/heating, in sub zero temperatures, boot full of luggage and a roof box. So you'd be making at least 3 stops hopping from one of the few and far between charge station to another and most likely also waiting for other EV drivers to finish charging their cars at the limited number of charge points (if they're working!) at these stations thereby compounding your recharge times and ultimately the entire length of your journey. You'd only have a day or so of a week long holiday before having to making the return journey home! No thanks!

andy97

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With 279(80% charged). I own a long range, it will do 300+ on a single charge. ive driven nearly 200 motorway miles and it still had 70 miles left on range, fully loaded car, air con on all the time. Tesla don't suffer cold weather issues, they can precondition the battery before journeys so its at optimal temperature for use regardless of outside temperature.

Have you seen the size of Tesla Boot, not including front trunk. You dont need a roof box.

So I could do 900 on 2 charges and a starting full charge from home. Tesla superchargers work perfectly, you can see whilst traveling how busy the the stops are. The motorway supercharger network have 10-20 bays, inly taking 35-40 mins to charge

BMWhere?

I've driven many times from Southern Germany back to Preston in one day. The only time I stopped for more than 15 minutes is for the channel crossing.

While I fully accept, for many people the range of EVs would be more than adequate, for myself and many others is just not possible to cover the mileage that you need in a reasonable time. If you're working and on the clock, you just can't stop for 40 minutes while the car charges and there isn't always a charging point at the locations where you need to stop anyway. The infrastructure still isn't adequate for everyone's needs.

andy97

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Your driving style is on the ends of the bell curve. Vast majority of folk dont drive non stop. They stop every couple of hours to stretch, eat, drink go to the loo. It only takes a short while to charge whilst refreshing up. Yes the charging network needs to increase and it will.

Our family is planning on visiting south of France next year, we are doing it in either our S or model 3. Both capable of 300 + miles on one charge. I have no worries about the journey or supercharger network

BMWhere?

For personal travel I would tend to agree that I'm not the average driver when it comes to long trips. But for business travel the story is very different. Outside of the morning and evening rush hours, the vast majority of traffic on the road is business travel. From salesmen, workmen, deliveries or traveling to business meetings. They are often long trips on a tight schedule with no possibility to plug in at the destination and no time to stop on the way.

The reality is that EV range and inflexibility just doesn't work for everybody. Hydrogen on the other hand would work, is also zero emission for driving, also has EV performance, has far less emissions and other environmental damage in vehicle production and scrapping, is lighter weight meaning less energy is required to drive the same speed as an EV. The only missing link is the hydrogen supply infrastructure.

Surely we would be better off investing in hydrogen supply than charging points for EVs that will probably never work for everyone?

andy97

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You could be right, but presently BEV is forging ahead. Its not always the better tech wins the day. maybe the future will bring technology to scavenge hydrogen cheaply. What is important, is that ICE are phased out of majority use aswell as pollution controls for big industry.

Banks needs to stop finance for fossil fuel companies. The European Investment bank was going to stop but Germany has tried to water down or get rid of these restrictions to fossil investment.

jonc

300 miles on a single charge? ev-database.uk (who quote official and real world data) quote 220 mile range for cold weather highway driving and seeing my journey to the Alps, for example, is 95% highway driving, that's pretty low range, also 35-40 minute charge gives you 80% range which equates to around 175 miles in cold weather which means at least 5 of these stops. I can get nearly 700 miles on a single tank and would only take 2 maybe 3 stops, 1 for food and 1 or 2 quick toilet stops. Admittedly I've not checked, I doubt there are many EV charging points, if at all, at the ski resort. I've not seen the size of a Tesla boot, but I doubt it would able to fit all the ski gear for a family of five and snowboard and skis in there. I get you love your EV's but it's clearly not for everyone, there are still some practical issues to overcome and Tesla's aren't exactly what you call affordable for everyone.

andy97

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More evidence that ICE vehicles are killing people in cities around the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...s-figures-show

Move over to zero emissions vehicles/transport for entering towns and cities

SouthWalesSam

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Pedalling the myth again that an electric car = ‘zero emissions’.

BMWhere?

In fairness, they are zero emission at the point of use, you are merely exporting the emissions to the power station which are rarely located in city centres.

I support EV usage in city centres to improve inner-city air quality and the health benefits which it brings. I'm just under no illusion in doing so will somehow save the environment.

Although one should also not forget that much of the harmful fine particles in city centres come from vehicle brakes and not exhaust emissions and EVs still use brakes and have more weight to stop, so still have a relative high contribution to fine particulates in inner cities. The best solution is of course to leave your car at home and take public transport!

dpb

So we ignored all the EU standards pollution , and going fwd it'll all be so much better with just the tories to answer to

urban

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https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-la...n-as-you-think

andy97

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If you have any conscience about helping reduce pollution of your local town/city, do something yourself.

dpb

Get the bus....!

andy97

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Only if its electric or Hydrogen.

andy97

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The ULEZ should be increased and have greater emissions control in lowering pollution

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...hird-7vmf0wwst

dpb

Yes take it right out to include the power station which is producing the leccy

fpan

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http://joannenova.com.au/2019/08/the...harging-point/

andy97

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Oh dear

You're keeping up with current events. more electricity comes from renewable s than fossils now. This will continue to grow ever further, reducing the reliance on fossils.

andy97

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You really couldn't make it up, that one of the most sunniest countries with vasts areas of land cant get its act together and use solar with batteries to generate most if not all of its electricity.

However Tesla demonstrated it could and can use their technology to provide power to Australia's grid.

You Tube

He won his bet

^Qwerty^

Is some of that based on the Drax lie; that it doesn't produce CO2 anymore because we cut down trees in North America instead?

andy97

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The article if remember was in the Independent. citing information

andy97

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Drax is due to be phased out by 2025. The government stepped in and over ruled the planning inspectorate over the conversion of some of the boilers to gas. Certainly a retrograde step regarding pollution.

With around 7% of UKs contribution to the national grid, it really needs to be rethink this decision and push for more wind and solar and tidal.

^Qwerty^

Drax converted some of, if not all their boilers to burn wood chippings, not gas. I can try dig it out, but I believe they burn 9000t of chippings per boiler, per day. If you take the acres of trees that need to be felled to supply that, multiply it by the number of years it will take those tress to regrow, then I just can’t see how it is either sustainable or green. Yet I’m told the power station now produces no CO2 at all because it’s carbon neutral. Seems like bobbins to me.
Like many things, politics and legislation can make things green or planet killers depending on what agenda it suits.
I have no doubt at all that an electric car is cheaper to run on a daily basis, but if we end up cutting down more trees to charge them, the green credentials don’t add up IMO. I’d still buy one if I could have another car for my commute, but it doesn’t stack up just yet for my 300 mile drive each way to the South coast with a boat in tow, nor have I seen an electric Motorhome yet. Long way to go.

andy97

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This Is I believe to convert secondary backup to gas from coal The government over-ruled the planning decision on environmental grounds
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49960817

Dr Hu

******* hell where the hell do they get that amount of wood chippings/pellets from without it having a massive effect somewhere - either the trees that are cut down, and the sheer transport logistics to get that amount of 'stuff' there every day..... blimey!
The transport alone can't be 'green' surely... Whereas a gas pipe.....? surely gotta be better even if it is a fossil fuel?

dpb

Chopping ancient woodlands far away just to plant fast growing ****e to trnsport all the way to uk - to massage our footprint

akin to destroying habitat for plam oil to make a fast buck