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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 01:28 PM
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I'm still gutted there's no 128GB and probably won't be buying for that reason.
Yeah the storage thing is a clever marketing tool of Apple. I want a 64gb device but the 7 plus comes in 32gb at £669 and the 128gb at £769, but 8 plus at 64gb is £799. Do I go with 32gb which is tight on storages, may just about to get by, or go for 128gb? If I go 128gb I could spend and extra £30 and get a 8 plus 64gb.......
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I'm not making any mistake, none of what you are trying to sell the phone as being great for is of any interest to me and 99% of other phone users. AR is on pokemon go and it works fine on whatever device runs the game so you don't need an apple phone for AR to work.

A finger print is as unique as someone's face and no one else can get into my phone without my fingerprint or knowing the security code. The security code is the weak point in terms of guessing someone's code or cracking the software and that is still present with face id as inadvertently demonstrated at launch.

Edit: in fact i'd question the uniqueness of face id when it comes to identical twins. Has such a test been done? Identical twins can share a face but their finger prints will be unique.
Now you're just showing your ignorance. Pokemon Go!! Now, I'm a big fan of it but it's just a live background, not AR.

This might help you "Apple estimates that risk at one-in-50,000 for its Touch ID fingerprint sensor and one-in-one million for its new Face ID system”
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Yeah the storage thing is a clever marketing tool of Apple. I want a 64gb device but the 7 plus comes in 32gb at £669 and the 128gb at £769, but 8 plus at 64gb is £799. Do I go with 32gb which is tight on storages, may just about to get by, or go for 128gb? If I go 128gb I could spend and extra £30 and get a 8 plus 64gb.......
Don't get the 64, you'll regret it a few years down the line.
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Its not designed to last that long though
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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 03:39 PM
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Its not designed to last that long though
Tell that to my iPhone 6 which I ordered 3 years ago, has just been updated and is running better than ever.
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That notch out the top of the screen looks terrible on the iPhone X - enough to put me off buying one. I couldn't believe they even demo'd games which clearly had buttons obscured by the notch.

And face ID - well that's now 'the best thing ever'.. when really what they mean is they couldn't get touch ID to work properly behind the screen in time, so had to fall back to this.

I expect the next iteration of this phone will be something impressive, but it's not quite there yet. Despite being an Apple user, I must say the Samsung offerings are looking increasingly tempting these days.
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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 04:28 PM
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That notch out the top of the screen looks terrible on the iPhone X - enough to put me off buying one. I couldn't believe they even demo'd games which clearly had buttons obscured by the notch.

And face ID - well that's now 'the best thing ever'.. when really what they mean is they couldn't get touch ID to work properly behind the screen in time, so had to fall back to this.

I expect the next iteration of this phone will be something impressive, but it's not quite there yet. Despite being an Apple user, I must say the Samsung offerings are looking increasingly tempting these days.
I give no **** for how good the hardware is - they are all simlar and in the real world my 6s ain't much quicker than my old 4s........ However, never ever will I jump ship from ios because android is imo terrible.
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Originally Posted by Petem95
That notch out the top of the screen looks terrible on the iPhone X - enough to put me off buying one. I couldn't believe they even demo'd games which clearly had buttons obscured by the notch.

And face ID - well that's now 'the best thing ever'.. when really what they mean is they couldn't get touch ID to work properly behind the screen in time, so had to fall back to this.

I expect the next iteration of this phone will be something impressive, but it's not quite there yet. Despite being an Apple user, I must say the Samsung offerings are looking increasingly tempting these days.
What would it take Pete? Seems to me a chorus of dancing girls could pop out of the charging port and you wouldn't be impressed. Watch how fast Samsung adopt spacial mapping, don't forget they're always a couple of years behind.
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What would it take Pete? Seems to me a chorus of dancing girls could pop out of the charging port and you wouldn't be impressed. Watch how fast Samsung adopt spacial mapping, don't forget they're always a couple of years behind.
I agree it'll get good, but I just don't think it's ready. I mean the fact during the demo the phone failed to unlock twice was pretty embarrassing! Samsung will probably include this when it's ready and works properly - I think generally Android stuff is ahead of Apple too these days - look how long they've had wireless charging, OLED, dual cameras, excellent screen:body ratios on some of those models.

Guy at work has an LG G6 which has got new for under £300 (sim free) and it has a massive screen, dual cameras of which one is wide-angle which is an excellent feature, and wireless charging. The price of smartphones has come down massively - you can pick up very impressive Xiamoi models from these Chinese import places for under £100. Apple need to come out with something very special to justify something costings 10 x as much, and I think it's becoming increasingly difficult for them to do so.
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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 05:03 PM
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Now you're just showing your ignorance. Pokemon Go!! Now, I'm a big fan of it but it's just a live background, not AR.

This might help you "Apple estimates that risk at one-in-50,000 for its Touch ID fingerprint sensor and one-in-one million for its new Face ID system”
And there lies the problem you belive every word that comes from apple. I don't.

I'm not anti apple and a huge fan of the ipad but it's just impossible to hold a sensible discussion with you because anyone who isn't fanatical about the iphone is in your eyes wrong.
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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
Its not designed to last that long though
But they do, my wife is still using her iPhone 5 which came out 5 years ago and still currently supported. I would stick with my iPhone 6 but I want a larger screen. I am contemplating on getting getting a Oneplus 5 as I think that is currently the best in terms of operating as fast and to lag free to an iPhone when watching the reviews on YouTube. But the only thing stopping me is the support, their Oneplus 2 is no longer supported and that was released only 2 years ago. Sure you can root it etc but there will be no vender development for that device anymore. I think this is typical in the Android world, vendor support ceases after 2 years.
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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
I agree it'll get good, but I just don't think it's ready. I mean the fact during the demo the phone failed to unlock twice was pretty embarrassing! Samsung will probably include this when it's ready and works properly - I think generally Android stuff is ahead of Apple too these days - look how long they've had wireless charging, OLED, dual cameras, excellent screen:body ratios on some of those models.

Guy at work has an LG G6 which has got new for under £300 (sim free) and it has a massive screen, dual cameras of which one is wide-angle which is an excellent feature, and wireless charging. The price of smartphones has come down massively - you can pick up very impressive Xiamoi models from these Chinese import places for under £100. Apple need to come out with something very special to justify something costings 10 x as much, and I think it's becoming increasingly difficult for them to do so.
You really need to do a bit more research before fixing your opinion, that's how we got trump and brexit. The iPhone didn't fail to unlock, it passed a security check. Did the demo look silly, yes it did, happens all the time in live demos. Some chuckled, myself included, some used it for clickbait.

It's interesting that you've somehow projected an Apple quality onto Samsung, Samsung are not known for implementing things when they're good and ready, they slap on a load of features and see what sticks, more power to them, we all learn from their mistakes.

And I totally agree there are some very cheap Android devices that have extraordinary features, but most of them lack support.
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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
And there lies the problem you belive every word that comes from apple. I don't.

I'm not anti apple and a huge fan of the ipad but it's just impossible to hold a sensible discussion with you because anyone who isn't fanatical about the iphone is in your eyes wrong.
OK so lets say they're exaggerating, could you believe it was twice as good as fingerprint scanning.

When I start a thread it's not so people can tell me how **** something is, maybe that's what you expect here? You have to accept that there are people who might enjoy using nice devices.

If you do want to discuss something go ahead, but I won't slap you on the back because you've fallen for some online rumour.
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No I wont accept it as your fingerprint is unique to you so no one else can unlock it unless they are all, including Apple, admitting that their fingerprint scanners are cr4p and don't work.

I'm not coming on here and telling you it's **** i'm saying iphone doesn't have the competitive edge it once did as the competition is equally as good, unlike the ipad which is streaks ahead of anything else. I'm entitled to voice my opinion whether you like it or not, you seem to have a misunderstanding that if you post a thread no one can voice a different opinion to yourself

I do accept people enjoy nice devices as i've clearly stated how much I like my ipad which is the latest pro model. So why you are questioning whether I do I do not know.

And show me where I have fallen for some online rumour.

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Old Sep 16, 2017 | 09:34 PM
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Your fingerprint may be unique in its entirety but scanners only read points. Does that help?
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Old Sep 18, 2017 | 01:42 PM
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What would it take Pete? Seems to me a chorus of dancing girls could pop out of the charging port and you wouldn't be impressed. Watch how fast Samsung adopt spacial mapping, don't forget they're always a couple of years behind.
Yes, like wireless charging and OLED and multi tasking and third party keyboard support and camera flash and NFC and OTA updates and Interactive Notifications and....

Oh hang on, they were all in Android before iOS. I'm sure you'll trot out some similar list, but the real point is that they copy off each other. To deny otherwise ............

One thing I will say for iPhone, battery life is superb (when the phones are newish). They do deteriorate, like all others over time, sadly.
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That's a small list of non fundamental things.
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Old Sep 18, 2017 | 03:29 PM
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Fancy an Apple fan saying that. Oh if the shoe were on the other foot...

Come on then, what have Apple introduced first? I'm not talking about improved, or popularised, which I fully accept is Apple's forte, and hats off to them for it.
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Capacitive Multitouch, a real web browser, fundemantal stuff like that.
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When did Chrome stop being a real web browser?
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Lg Prada actually

and mutli touch decades earlier
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Capacitive Multitouch, a real web browser, fundemantal stuff like that.
Would that be the multi touch developed by another company that Apple bought then? What have Apple actually invented that is so game changing?

Improved? Yes. Invented, not a lot springs to mind.

Anyone who has used Safari would realise it's far form a real web browser

Sp for iPhone X then, are you advocating that it's nearly £300 dearer than iPhone 8 or 7 (or it's rivals) simply because of FaceID? It can't be anything else, as they have had most of it's features for some years
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LG Prada was not capacitive multi touch and show me Chrome on a mobile before the iPhone.
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Would that be the multi touch developed by another company that Apple bought then? What have Apple actually invented that is so game changing?

Improved? Yes. Invented, not a lot springs to mind.

Anyone who has used Safari would realise it's far form a real web browser

Sp for iPhone X then, are you advocating that it's nearly £300 dearer than iPhone 8 or 7 (or it's rivals) simply because of FaceID? It can't be anything else, as they have had most of it's features for some years
No one said invented but you.
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Dat Silcon Gap

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/...samsung-huawei
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So did the iPhone itself and every other feature, moron's have nothing better to write and there are plenty of morons to read it.
more a case of most folks with a brain see through apples marketing BS
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Ah yes my lg viewty didn't have multitouch , but could connect to 3g network and had way better camera !
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LG Prada was not capacitive multi touch and show me Chrome on a mobile before the iPhone.
Ok Chrome was a bad example (it was actually internet explorer that i was thinking of).

None the less, to say Apple were the first to offer a "real web browser" is just daft. All they did was introduce on that was better.
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Ok Chrome was a bad example (it was actually internet explorer that i was thinking of).

None the less, to say Apple were the first to offer a "real web browser" is just daft. All they did was introduce on that was better.

you obviously don’t remember web browsing before the iPhone. It was awful. The full web browser was the software highlight of the keynote, it was astonishing compared to anything else. If you search google you’ll find I’m right.
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I'm guessing Android had this in 2012?

Pad free wireless charging supported by iPhone 8 and X

https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/19/iphon...less-charging/
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