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Old 23 December 2017, 06:03 PM
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Oh please. If you expect a device to last 8 hours, what could change that? I’ll save some time, battery degradation and power management. I can understand you being upset, I see where you’re coming from, you’d rather play crysis full res for ten minutes, how dare Apple change your frame rate so you can play for longer, you’re a fringe case.
Old 23 December 2017, 06:18 PM
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Why take a year to tell us about it
Old 23 December 2017, 07:09 PM
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^ Exactly, underhand tactics to hide the real truth.
Old 23 December 2017, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bioforger
lol if you can't see the bullsh1t apple are spouting out over this then you are indeed a deluded idiot. Since when does battery degradation affect other hardware components, no other manufacturers are worried about this, its a software throttle to p1ss users off who own older apple devices with the intention to make them upgrade, the end.

Exactly, it should be the phone owner who decides if they want better battery performance and not Apple, also every phones battery life will differ so if the replacement battery isn’t a viable option on cost of a phone then they have a valid reason to upgrade.

There is already lawsuits starting in America and I hope they all win.
Old 23 December 2017, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
Why take a year to tell us about it
It was in the changelog as far as I know, you didn’t read it? There are tons of things I’d rather Apple put out a press release about, but if that’s what people want, they got it.
Old 23 December 2017, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
Exactly, it should be the phone owner who decides if they want better battery performance and not Apple, also every phones battery life will differ so if the replacement battery isn’t a viable option on cost of a phone then they have a valid reason to upgrade.

There is already lawsuits starting in America and I hope they all win.
They’ll all lose. Pretty sure you can run Android on an iPhone should you chose, then you can degrade your device’s performance as much as you want. It’s a bit like suing Ford for putting a limiter on their engines.
Old 23 December 2017, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
They’ll all lose. Pretty sure you can run Android on an iPhone should you chose, then you can degrade your device’s performance as much as you want. It’s a bit like suing Ford for putting a limiter on their engines.
lol its nothing of the sort like that, a limiter is there to stop over revving and/or the top speed only, it does not limit the performance. I hope crapple get taken to the cleaners by someone who can afford it.
Old 23 December 2017, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
It was in the changelog as far as I know, you didn’t read it? There are tons of things I’d rather Apple put out a press release about, but if that’s what people want, they got it.
Show us this changelog and dated for when it was announced.
Old 23 December 2017, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bioforger
lol its nothing of the sort like that, a limiter is there to stop over revving and/or the top speed only, it does not limit the performance. I hope crapple get taken to the cleaners by someone who can afford it.
Does not limit the performance, limits top speed and revs. Good god.
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Originally Posted by bioforger
Show us this changelog and dated for when it was announced.
I definitely can, but what are you going to do if I do. Pay me bitcoin? Take a picture of yourself and a custard pie?
Old 23 December 2017, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
I definitely can, but what are you going to do if I do. Pay me bitcoin? Take a picture of yourself and a custard pie?
Go on then post it.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Does not limit the performance, limits top speed and revs. Good god.
Jesus christ you're just being obnoxious, obtuse or deliberately being a **** at this point now, i said over revving not revs, does it limit the horsepower and torque of the engine? No.

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Old 23 December 2017, 11:27 PM
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https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1893?locale=en_US

“iOS 10.2.1 includes bug fixes and improves the security of your iPhone or iPad.
It also improves power management during peak workloads to avoid unexpected shutdowns on iPhone.”
Old 23 December 2017, 11:28 PM
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Also https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207453
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You can pay me here


Looking forward to the picture.
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lol that is not the changelog i was expecting *******, where does it mention performance will be degraded?
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Originally Posted by stevebt
Exactly, it should be the phone owner who decides if they want better battery performance and not Apple, also every phones battery life will differ so if the replacement battery isn’t a viable option on cost of a phone then they have a valid reason to upgrade.

There is already lawsuits starting in America and I hope they all win.
I doubt it will go that far, Aple will settle, offer all USA customers a new phone for free and stop throttling performance for sake of weak batteries
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Originally Posted by JackClark
They’ll all lose. Pretty sure you can run Android on an iPhone should you chose, then you can degrade your device’s performance as much as you want. It’s a bit like suing Ford for putting a limiter on their engines.
If a phone owner decides to run something that reduces their phone performance then it’s their choice so no issue.
Old 24 December 2017, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bioforger
lol that is not the changelog i was expecting *******, where does it mention performance will be degraded?
You want the one that says "we're reducing the performance of 1 year old phones so you'll buy a new one" sorry to say that's just the knee jerk reaction to the change I posted, you could call it fake news.
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lols youre so deluded, still havent accepted the fact which they have even admitted themselves, i'm out.
Old 24 December 2017, 10:14 AM
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I'm fully aware of what happens, I'm not jumping on the hype train that's all.

Much more important stuff to discuss like this if you'd keep your eyes out of the gutter.
Old 25 December 2017, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
If a phone owner decides to run something that reduces their phone performance then it’s their choice so no issue.
And it's the owners choice to then go elsewhere when they are ready to upgrade their phone as it isn't acceptable imo, i've never known any other phone manufacturer do this, where they reduce the speed of an older phone for whatever the reasons.

It's either a poor design in the first place or they have other motives, it's like a TV manufacturer saying we need to reduce the resolution of your 4K screen to 1920 x 1080 as we need to protect the TV as it's reached a certain age now. That phone should perform as originally stated in the spec sheet, you shouldn't get a watered down version after a certain length of time, it's comical really, like i said before no other phone manufacturer has done it with their older phones. It should be down to the end user to decide if he or she wants to slow their phone down as you get the option to do that on android in the performance settings, it shouldn't be apple's decision as they don't own the phone.
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We're talking about batteries, nobody has made an everlasting one yet, their performance will degrade. Apple have a great replacement service, costs about the same as a spare batteries used to.

Some people's eye for performance is being able to run flat out, like on a dyno, a more common need is good battery performance. Now, telling someone you can make their phone go faster if you flick a switch is an easy sell, but it's a temporary high as something has to give. There are a billion choices that individuals could make in an operating system that might make something better in certain circumstances but if you exposed them all it would be chaos. You'll find a ton of stuff hidden from users in all operating systems.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
We're talking about batteries, nobody has made an everlasting one yet, their performance will degrade. Apple have a great replacement service, costs about the same as a spare batteries used to.

Some people's eye for performance is being able to run flat out, like on a dyno, a more common need is good battery performance. Now, telling someone you can make their phone go faster if you flick a switch is an easy sell, but it's a temporary high as something has to give. There are a billion choices that individuals could make in an operating system that might make something better in certain circumstances but if you exposed them all it would be chaos. You'll find a ton of stuff hidden from users in all operating systems.
We all know what apple have said about it being a battery issue where it shuts down the phone blah blah blah, Which bit are you not getting ? No other phone manufacturer has deemed it fit to slow down their customers older phones in fear of the battery shutting down their phones. Why are apple allowing their older phones to be updated with the latest software if they are not fully compatible and it could cause them issues ?

Apple should include a card in the box of all their phones from now on, we may at some point in the future decide to slow your phone down so it will run a lot slower than as advertised.

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Pretty sure most modern devices have performance based cpu scaling anyway and have had for years now. As your battery charge gets closer to 0% stuff starts to shut down to keep the thing alive for as lone as possible.
Or would you rather the 5yr old shagged battery runs at 100% speed all the time and only lasts a couple of hours?
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And let's not forget overheating, I'm pretty sure slowing things down is a good idea once your device is overheating from you turning it up to 11, but user choice and all that, Apple and Google need to put a card in the box for that or add another button.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
And let's not forget overheating, I'm pretty sure slowing things down is a good idea once your device is overheating from you turning it up to 11, but user choice and all that, Apple and Google need to put a card in the box for that or add another button.
Sorry to derail the thread boss but do you reckon apple will bring anything out again to replace the iPod nano in the future?


Or have they allready?
As I’m useless at tech or keeping up with it all info will be appreciated thanks in advance jack
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Sensible https://www.apple.com/iphone-battery-and-performance/

No idea about the Nano, people love them. Apple Watch and Bluetooth headphones are the new wave I guess.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Sensible https://www.apple.com/iphone-battery-and-performance/

No idea about the Nano, people love them. Apple Watch and Bluetooth headphones are the new wave I guess.
Or they have had so many complaints and concerns have arisen where they had no choice but to act, is more likely. Actually reducing the cost of a batt replacement? wow, apple reducing prices? They must have been sh1tting themselves over potential court cases or something worse
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So much hyperbole and bull**** they had to act. Just look at the crap you were spouting and think of TP, probably took a special trip to the pub to claim Apple were doomed.

Anyhow, in the long term we all benefit, you'll find the same in Android soon enough if not there already.



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