Martin2005

The polls suggest that people have broadly coalesced around the fact we're leaving the EU.


So I think this is more to do with the fairly uncompromising Brexit message coming from the Tories, versus the more conciliatory message from Labour.


Someone needed to tell May that 'Hard Brexit' wasn't on the ballot paper on the 23rd June

hodgy0_2

does it though

whats a "soft" brexit mean anyway

membership of the EFTA/EEA means (the Norway option)

• accepting free movement
• accepting ECJ
• and paying into the EU budget

The EU have never budged on this - I think pretty unlikely they will cave in now

so in effect "pay for no say" - hardly take back control

joining the Customs Union will preclude making 3rd party trade deals

the people were sold Unicorns and I think they may want Unicorns

Martin2005

It's going to be incredibly difficult, but we should try.


We need our politicians to apply their skill and imagination to these negotiations - not puff their chests our and **** off everyone on the other side of the channel. Let's try and garner some goodwill, and you never know what might happen.


The UK is a very large economy, has very important military and security capabilities and is highly integrated into the EU system, that makes us very different to Norway or any other model previously described.


I guess I mean a pragmatic Brexit, rather than a '**** you' ideological Brexit favoured by some


All I'm saying is, let's at least try.

Dingdongler

Exactly. Corbyn said no free movement of people. As the EU won't compromise on this that must mean a hard Brexit or no Brexit.

I don't think there is such a thing as a soft Brexit.

SouthWalesSam

iTrader: (1)

Where do you get your facts? Alternative.com?

In the period since Brexit the UK economy has become one the weakest in the EU. *
Growth fell to 0.2 in Q1 2017.
The £ has collapsed by 15%.
Inflation has doubled to 2.8% and is rising despite falls in fuel costs from the Middle East crises.
Consumer spending is falling (3% last year to an expected 2% this year).
Real wages still around 8% below the crash levels and are only growing slowly.
National debt's still.... You get the picture?

Like the Tory tabloids, the country's just been in denial over the real insidious damage that continues to be caused by Brexit at a time when the UK economy is already weak.

And now you've started to blame the people who are trying to limit the damage.
________________________
*Sources: ONS, Eurostat, PwC, FT

Martin2005

Given the make-up of the Commons and the fact that they will get to vote on the final deal, you could just as easily argue that it will be, a 'soft Brexit, or no Brexit'

alcazar

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Sadly, the posturing, the threats and the no-deal-except-our-deal, have mostly originated with the EU. Juncker, Verhofstat et al. Even Merkel has (surprise, surprise) got in on the act.

They are PETRIFIED of losing our monetary input...nothing else.

Martin2005

If they are, that gives us leverage.


The posturing has been 2 way - with the Government trying to appease people on your side of the argument.

jasey

There was always a danger that Labour could gain ground just maintaining the current austerity plans - to heap on top of that a "We're going to rob your grannie once she's dead" policy was frankly crass stupidy.

I'm quite suprised the daft bint didn't resign today - surely she wont see out the month.

Then a new Leader - A vote of no confidence - another GE by the end of the summer.

Living in Scotland I might actually vote yes in IndyRef2

David Lock

BBC iPlayer. Have a listen to R4 The News Quiz 6.30 this evening. Post election special. Very funny. Quote "When the results came out the Pound fell and the Channel sea level rose by 6 inches because of all the Europeans p,issing themselves with laughter"

David

David Lock

I've commented before on the strain that May's plans will have on the fragile Eire/NI relationship where peace almost reigns after decades of bloodshed.

And now May is planning to get into bed with the DUP who have some appalling policies of their own and led by that women who buggered up the green energy thing. Plus they are the only party who support Brexit in a country where most people want to remain.

So now DUP will simply be in a position to blackmail HMG for little "favours" in return for Westminster support for May. And of course the Chinese Wall of independence between the NI Assembly and Westminster will be blown apart.

Pity Queenie didn't throw May out on her arrogant **** when she went to the palace today.

SHE MUST GO

David

alcazar

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Arrant nonsense, worse than your usual David.

Sorry, had to be said. You are so bitter it's getting to your judgement.

Peedee

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Agreed. Slightly embarrassing, although mildly entertaining. I don't understand why he signs off every post with his name? We know it's David writing the post. How do we know?.......because his username is 'David Lock'. Gives it away a bit

Martin2005

I can't find the right emoji to respond

David Lock

Gives what away - it's my name? Embarrassing - what the f'uck do you mean by that Mr Peedee

And will you or Alcazar tell me what I have got wrong about the deal May is trying to set in place with DUP?

Signing off with my NAME which is David Lock.

PS. I am actually a 20 year old black immigrant with huge **** and a machine gun under her pillow but don't tell anyone please

joz8968

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hodgy0_2

lol, how wrong does someone have to be and still post like a cvnt

David Lock

Yeah that's me and my gang, you found me. And and an AK 47 is so necessary in a Somerset village

What is happening in the world ffs. Sad.

David

Martin2005

Bloody hell Dave, you've got a much nicer body than I imagined 😀

joz8968

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lol

joz8968

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The Labour campaign was just full of ****.


https://youtu.be/tpjWDrF15oE


https://youtu.be/c5LlLc4cfvY

BMWhere?

Strong and stable my ****!

So, what do all those who were harping on about Corbyn being a terrorist for meeting IRA members in an attempt to negotiate a peace deal now think of May going into government with the political wing of a terrorist organisation?

48.2% of people voted to remain in the Brexit vote and those people have been ignored post referendum, been called remoaners, been told the country has spoken and they have to accept the result and come together! The government have made no attempt to offer any concessions to get the remain supporters on board. Theresa May must have really believed he own bull**** when she called this election and so naive to think that three 48% weren't going to voice their discontent!

dpb

Might been the backroom pair Timothy and Fiona that worked this failure

She didn't really even look like she believed in it all imo

joz8968

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I think a poll came out that indicated 78%* of the remain voters now accepted the leave position and just wanted the govt to get on with it (as best it can for the UK).

This was a poll taken before the GE though lol.


* I have no idea what the sample size was and therefore whether it was an extrapolated figure

SouthWalesSam

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Maybe, but the other 22% of us Remoaners haven't given up.

And we're encouraged by the fact that when May asked the country to back her Brexit with a strong mandate only 45% supported Tory-UKIP.

Brexit is finished, or heading for a bungled fudge at best.

alcazar

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LOL, you wish.

Uncle Creepy

This election wasn't just about Brexit. The Tories failed to get a majority for a plethora of reasons. Don't be so simple.

SouthWalesSam

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Sorry, Uncle. I stand corrected: she made the election about herself as well.

SouthWalesSam

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Yes. My wish, my desire, my aim.



And given that the Brexit Dream Team, not even with a 20-point head start, can barely hold a candle to an old Looney Leftist, then negotiating with a ready, waiting and experienced (and under-estimated) EU is going to prove a bridge too far.

Meanwhile we’re gazing at our navels, trying to get ourselves out of this current mess by sucking up to DUP bigots, likely going to select a new Tory Leader, probably to have to hold another general election…

All this while the Article 50 clock is ticking. It’s unsustainable.

Brexit is dead. It’s going to be killed by a thousand cuts and concessions, but it’s dead.

David Lock

Spot on.

But I don't think Brexit was ever going to happen and the xenophobic thick idiots who were screaming OUT, OUT simply have no idea of the time, cost and complexity of an acceptable agreement.

May will be going and let's hope they don't put big headed Boris in charge.

What I don't know is if the EU would allow us to change our minds and scrap the whole shooting match or is Article 50 irreversible? They could get Ken Clarke who likes Europeans to ask.

And I did like the final result from Kensington - Labour win with 20 vote margin. Nice little twist to the knife in May's back

David