Martin2005

All correct of course


So it's not really a Labour - Tory thing. It more about economic cycles.


Now 09/10 saw a very deep recession, some of which I think was down to the government and some wasn't, I suspect we could have a very long debate about to what extent


Labour spent too much yes of course, but there's cause and effect there too that involves the pre 97 Tory governments.


Neither party can claim to have a monopoly on good management of the economy and/or public services

madscoob

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i would bother to vote if there was 2 votes
1 for local mp to represent local area regardless of party
2 for which party is in overall control

Tidgy

yes and no, high debt can cripple a country no mater what, look at greece, but you can have a plan for a economic reduction, I agree you can't cover massive ones like 2008 but you can plan for it which helps cope and limit it's impact as much as possible. Labour didn't and were just borrow borrow borrow, spend spend spend.

Labour is well known for borrowing alot which backfires later. we are currently trying to save on spending to try to remove what labour spent.

But their plans to increase corp tax is a bad move, A large increase in corp tax will put UK goods price up which combined with brexit could well have dier consequences.

I truly believe the decision to leave the EU was the right one, however i was and am still not in any way under any illusion that the road to get there is going to be smooth, it will be rocky but all the BS about no deal etc is rubbish, both sides have a vested interest in a good deal and i have no doubt one will be reached. But adding in a price hike on goods and extra costs for company's will send them else where.

Uncle Creepy

Hey Alcazar, if you don't mind sharing, I'd be interested to know for whom you intend to vote.

Jonnys3

I kinda of see where you're going with this.

Dennis Skinner is my local MP, and he is fantastic on the local front and really does work hard for, and care about, his local constituents. On that basis he's brilliant and would get my vote, were it not for the fact that he's Labour, and there's no way I can vote in a government made up of the likes of Corbyn and Abbott. If Skinner were independent of a political party he would get my vote every time but because he's not, he won't.

Dingdongler

Thank you.

Dingdongler

I've never been a fan of Theresa May but I'll emigrate if Corbyn is elected.

andy97

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Conservatives, has to be to push through leaving the EU.

scoobypaul_temp

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I'm voting Conservative, but with reservations for sure! I have to say I have felt very torn this time. May has gone down in my estimations, all she has come out with is soundbites, with no real depth to what she has said (IMHO). Corbyn/Abbot I do not trust one bit to lead our country. Lib Dems - very disappointing, I think they have really missed a trick when they could have gained some support. My biggest annoyance is that only UKIP have mentioned reducing foreign aid - I am not against it at all, but we could easily cap it at 10 Billion (still a significant amount), and spend the remaining 2+ Billion on the NHS.

Uncle Creepy

Ditto, Dingdong. I've never been so worried about the prospect of any party leader becoming PM.

Btw, for whom are you voting?

Although I won't be voting Tory myself, as a fervent supporter of Brexit, a Conservative victory will actually be quite a relief. At least May will see through to the end our leaving of the EU.

dpb

Yes let's cut back health policing and education , and top it all pretend can push EU into giving us everything we want...

How daft would you have to be ..

Dingdongler

I have to be practical with my vote. I don't believe in not voting or voting for a party to give another party a 'bloody nose', this approach makes no sense to me at all.

So it is with many reservations (the NHS especially) that I will vote for the Conservatives. The thought of Corbyn and McDonnell in charge of the country genuinely sends a shiver down my spine.

They don't even have the support of the majority of their own MPs. The country would be in absolute chaos. Decisions made on the basis of their 600,000 membership, many of whom are frothing at the mouth 'class warrior' types whose politics are as sophisticated as those found in a second rate university student union.

If Corbyn was PM I would look to emigrate, something that hasn't crossed my mind for over twenty years.

Paben

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If there's no one worth voting for there's always someone to vote against. For me that leaves the Tories just squeaking it. But I'm sure that whoever wins this election will be on a hiding to nothing. Unless there's a miracle they wil be booted out at the next election for multiple and probably unavoidable failures. I hope when that happens that Labour has ditched Corbyn and his awful cronies and perhaps resurrected David Miliband or someone with similar gravitas.

dpb

The Milibands have gravitas ?! David might be more of a pin up i suppose .
We know what happened with the other one

Paben

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The other is a total dick, and it showed the poor judgement of the Labour Party when they elected him over his brother. But uselss though he undoubtedly was I would take him any day over Corbyn. But you plainly wouldn't and good for you.

JTaylor

For what it's worth, if we weren't leaving the EU and Cameron had remained as PM, I'd be voting Tory.

Paben

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And if pigs had wings . . .

jonc

I will be voting practically not tactically. I voted to remain in the EU, but we are dead set on a Brexit with no posible u-turn on that decision. I'm voting based on Brexit, not domestic policies. Lib Dems have zero chance of enacting their manifesto promise and so have to look at who best are going to deliver the most positive Brexit outcome. My rationale is that Governments can change after 5 years, Brexit will affect many generations to come. Looking at Labour's pledges compared to the Conservatives, they seem to be more on the back foot and more likely to concede to whatever the EU says.

Martin2005

I don’t sense a lot of enthusiasm around for any party orleader, probably for good reason.
I find it shocking that with less than 24 hours to go beforean election I still don’t know what the Tories are going to do. All we have to go on are soundbites. And we have very recent experience of the reliability of thing written on the sides of buses.
From what I can tell there is absolutely no substance in the ‘strong and stable’ message endlessly repeated throughout this campaign. This isn’t a surprise though, as there’s absolutely no substance to Theresa May.
‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ – has got to be one of the most vacuous political soundbites of all time, it’s almost like they’re playing a game.
As for Labour, well at least they bothered to turn up with some policies – nonsensical as they are!
So in the end I’m left wondering (and borrowing from May) if ‘no Prime Minister is better than a bad Prime Minister’.

What a shower

dpb

Maggie May just assumed nobody would vote for labour cos of splits within over Jezza

And she'd be gifted another 5 years

What kind of a basis is this for another election at all

^Qwerty^

I'm voting Labour because the local candidate is quite good looking; certainly better than David Davis

Dingdongler

It's interesting to note that Corbyn has been touring Labour strongholds and not the marginals. One could imagine that this is because he doesn't think he can win the marginals and just wants to increase his vote count.

At least then when he loses he can stay in power arguing that he has increased the total Labour vote.

Dingdongler

I think you'll find that its called politics old boy.

She would be letting her party down if she didn't try and take advantage of what seemed to have been a big lead in the polls.

I'm sure you would do exactly the same in similar circumstances

Dr Hu

Totally totally agree with this - our current (very) long standing Tory MP is an absolute tool - however the newcomer Labour candidate is local, actively fighting for local issues, local hospital, maternity unit etc - and is running rings around the current Tory MP, who absolutely got his **** handed to him in a local hustings.... but our seat is pro-Tory - hasn't changed for donkeys years, all these blue rinsers voting Tory for ever and ever....

Without any doubt at all the Labour candidate would be by far the better 'local MP' - however I don't want to Vote for JC's & Abbott's Labour in Government.....

So what do you do in that situation - Simply don't vote?

RS_Matt

Tories.

andy97

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Allegedly Labour will do quite well in a few big cities, London, Birmingham, but are expected to take a drumming everywhere else.

'Go Diane' stepping down is just a ploy which everyone can see through, she is totally out of her depth, feckless, a complete laughing stock.

madscoob

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for me it allways comes down to local issues so vote local, 90% of what corbyn wants to do will never get approved anyway

Peedee

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Indeed. We all know about the note that was left by the ex Labour Treasury secretary, Liam Byrne back in 2010. If anyone reading didn't know, feel free to take a look....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...note-successor

Martin2005

All the money is still gone 😀

In fact were in far more debt now than we were in 2010

Peedee

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I've got the solution for it. Sell off all our gold reserves.......when the price of gold drops. It's a sure fire winner to get out of debt