Paben

iTrader: (5)

You are all for cracking down hard on terrorists but consider it more important not to risk any aspect of our open free society. So nothing can be done. Terrorists would love to hear that.

neil-h

Not as much as they'd love us changing our way of life (against the values of this country) as a response to their actions.

Martin2005

You're very good at telling me what I think aren't you?


I would countenance tough measures if they were likely to be effective. I haven't heard anything yet that falls into that category.


Some of the world's most draconian, authoritarian countries have huge problems with terrorism.

JTaylor

Don't worry, Kwik has a handle on it. He's going to get a list together.

Kwik

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It worries me that you think potential mass murder of innocent people including children is "morally questionable".
Threatening to kill is against the law. If I saw you in the street and threatened to kill you I'd be arrested. You could get an injunction against me and quite rightly so.
Talking about, supporting or plotting mass murder (which is what this is) is worse than that and should be outlawed immediately.

I could walk down the shops and buy the ingredients for a cake right now. I wouldn't have a bloody clue how to make it though. I'd be happy for people to have a go without detailed instructions, natural selection at its best I'd imagine. I knew an idiot once in the days before the internet who thought pulling a firework apart was a good idea and blew most of his hand off.
In your mind we may as well sell nuclear warheads on ebay so we don't "oppress" anyone and have the codes online.


So why is the machete the weapon of choice? Because a simple kitchen knife would most likely break at the first stab and wouldn't cut through bone as a machete would.
I'm happy for it to be "difficult" for anyone who thinks owning a machete for whatever private use they may have is a good idea. I think we're probably talking about 0.0001% of the population. Possibly the same percentage, or less maybe, than would want to privately own a sub machine gun but we don't care about oppressing them. I'd imagine 0.0001% of the population, or less have a genuine reason to need to know how to make a bomb.


It hasn't been achieved as people like you with this weird liberal stance that people should have access to weaponry and bomb recipes can't get their head around the dangers of said stance.

I don't know why you bother either. You simply can't get your head around the fact that there has to be change.
If I came to your house right now with the intention of killing you, your wife, your kids would you stand in the way? Or would you sit on the sofa and hope that it "all turns out alright". Would you care about my feelings?
There are people right now doing exactly that. Plotting to kill someone's husband, wife, children. Your simple lack of motivation is purely an "I'm alright jack" attitude that it won't happen to your loved ones and I sincerely hope it doesn't.

But the next attack is coming.

Kwik

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I think "Enablers" is a better term. Their protests against anything that would prevent or help prevent mass murder is enabling the person to kill.
I have no idea how they sleep at night to be honest.
I think that is why when there are attacks these people are everywhere firstly trying to deny its ties with Islam. I don't think they can handle being wrong and adapting to suit.

JTaylor

So you're going to write a list and ban machetes.

Kwik

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Perhaps "open free society" is something dreamt up in the sixties whilst everyone was off there box on acid and doesn't actually work.
There has to be rules and regulations, just where the line is drawn is the question.
Currently it is much harder to get a fishing license in this country than it is to buy a machete .

Martin2005

I'd ban machetes too - why would anyone need one of those things?


There you go Kwik - we agree

JTaylor

Ah, yes. Ban machetes. That'll stop the murder. 'cos murderers are law abiding, aren't they?

Martin2005

Same issue as guns for me.

JTaylor

Abu walked in to the machete shop only to discover that they'd been banned so he went for a cuppa and read Jane Eyre.

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

I'm wondering where this comes from to be honest. "They won't win" seems to be about terrorists stopping us doing things we'd consider normal. I've not yet seen an ISIS video or read any statement that says "we aim to stop you living a normal life".
I think ISIS intend to kill innocent people. They certainly seem to like killing people in Syria too, who live very different lives to us.

Letting them win would be to allow them to keep attacking us, which is how you chaps allow them to win. So I agree, seeing people oppose restrictions on potential terrorists probably makes them **** themselves.

I'm also aware of this "they want to divide us" well we are certainly that. So jump on board the "logic wagon" and get the daisys out of your hair.

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

I'm an idiot lol

Martin2005

eh?

JTaylor

Absolutely no clue.

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

**** sorry only just seen this.

Martin2005

I'd make them and hunting knives as hard to get hold of as guns.

JTaylor

Great.

JTaylor

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

I can only imagine the kebab industry requires them, or perhaps a slaughter house . Stricter rules are required when it comes to controlling and licensing these items.

neil-h

Pretty much. I really can't bring myself to reply post 245 as there's simply too much stupid to counter and he seems to have taken to putting words in my mouth.

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

Ah the liberal defence of attacking in numbers without any real substance to back it.
The fact you share similar dillusion to a chap who believes the bearded man in the sky will sort things out is in no way surprising.

neil-h

You really do have some basic comprehension problems don't you.

Kwik

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Says someone who thinks bomb recipes should be free for anyone to use.
Nut job.

neil-h

See you've just proven my point. At no point have I ever said anyone should be free to make a bomb.

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

Machete attack today....
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/3766654/cops-swoop-on-russell-square-in-central-london-amid-reports-of-a-stabbing/amp/

(feel free to ignore this as well lefties).

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

What do people use cake making recipes for? To make a cake.
What would someone use a bomb making recipe for?. To make a bomb.
It isnt a discussion. Only a liberal could confuse the issue.

neil-h

[QUOTE-that article]A police cordon was set up following unconfirmed reports a machete was involved in the attack[/QUOTE]

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So you've put everything you've ever learnt into practice?

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

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So you've put everything you've ever learnt into practice?[/QUOTE]

So the way to deal with possible machete attacks is to pretend it didn't happen in the first place?.
Perhaps if you're going to find fault with an objective view you should ask why the BBC aren't reporting on this attack?.

Is this how you shake off responsibility and guilt? By finding anything that may discredit the part that makes you feel bad that you are part of the reason these things are able to happen?.