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I think your tranche of measures ought to inlude cordons around key locations, Kwik. We'd then have the list, a machete ban and some blue and white tape.
I think your tranche of measures ought to inlude cordons around key locations, Kwik. We'd then have the list, a machete ban and some blue and white tape.
All equally effective.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees the irony in your mocking Kwik for his suggestions, when your solutions include 'trust in Jesus' and 'show jihadis some love'.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees the irony in your mocking Kwik for his suggestions, when your solutions include 'trust in Jesus' and 'show jihadis some love'.
Sometimes, UC, one just has to commit things to God. Maybe, if you follow the evidence, you'll arrive at the same conclusion. Until that time, would you be good enough to layout your 'solution'?
Sometimes, UC, one just has to commit things to God. Maybe, if you follow the evidence, you'll arrive at the same conclusion. Until that time, would you be good enough to layout your 'solution'?
As I said earlier, you're out of your depth. You and people like you don't understand the nuances and intricacies of that with which you're dealing. I've been looking for a 'solution' since 11th September 2001 and went so far as to give up work to return to Uni' to study politics in my mid-twenties. Sometimes, Kwik, there are no earthly solutions and one can either despair or look for answers above. I chose the latter; I've concluded that it will, quite literally, take a miracle to 'solve the problem'. With respect (because I think you're genuine) your ideas are utterly superficial. You can dismiss religion all you want, but it means you'll never understand our enemy.
So the way to deal with possible machete attacks is to pretend it didn't happen in the first place?.
Perhaps if you're going to find fault with an objective view you should ask why the BBC aren't reporting on this attack?.
Is this how you shake off responsibility and guilt? By finding anything that may discredit the part that makes you feel bad that you are part of the reason these things are able to happen?.
Originally Posted by BBC news
The men jumped out clutching the ceramic kitchen knives. Police say the weapons were possibly chosen to prevent them being picked up by metal detectors.
On the subject of machetes, is this a kitchen knife I see before me
As for responsibility and guilt. Why would I possibly feel guilty, I bare precisely zero responsibility for what other people do with what they read on the internet.
On the subject of machetes, is this a kitchen knife I see before me
As for responsibility and guilt. Why would I possibly feel guilty, I bare precisely zero responsibility for what other people do with what they read on the internet.
Your entire argument centres around 'we shouldn't ban or further control this dangerous thing because something else we couldn't possibly control further or ban is arguably just as dangerous.
If anything you're only convincing me that yes, we should look further into controlling kitchen knives of a certain quality or size. How often does someone buy new kitchen knives?. Would it be such a violation of rights if you had to produce your driving license or passport when buying knives with a blade over say 5"? It would only further my call to have potential terrorists passports or license taken from them?.
Going into a nightclub a couple of weeks ago, like everyone else going in I had my driving license scanned and had my picture taken. This is to show that if I were to do anything inside my name, photo and address are on record and I'd be easily found. This lessens the likelihood there would be trouble inside the club. If I didn't have my license or passport I wouldn't be able to go in. Most clubs do this or similar now. It is progression in the face of dealing with drunks street fighting. Nobody is shouting about 'rights' and quite rightly so.
Discredit me as much as you like. The suggestions I've put forward in only a matter of days would limit the amount of weaponry available to these maniacs and limits their ability to make homemade bombs. Those discrediting me have so far not made one real suggestion. The only argument seems to be that it's against an 'open and free' society.
I wonder if if it's ever occurred to a liberal that an open and free society is the terrorists biggest weapon?.
As I said earlier, you're out of your depth. You and people like you don't understand the nuances and intricacies of that with which you're dealing. I've been looking for a 'solution' since 11th September 2001 and went so far as to give up work to return to Uni' to study politics in my mid-twenties. Sometimes, Kwik, there are no earthly solutions and one can either despair or look for answers above. I chose the latter; I've concluded that it will, quite literally, take a miracle to 'solve the problem'. With respect (because I think you're genuine) your ideas are utterly superficial. You can dismiss religion all you want, but it means you'll never understand our enemy.
We don't need to understand the enemy. The enemy needs to understand modern civilisation or move away from it.
The minority needs to adapt and fit in with the majority not the other way round.
The idea of integration is to evolve together and move forward not backward. Religion is the biggest hurdle of integration.
So you admit as a civilisation we learnt and progressed with the control of a dangerous weapon after a tragedy.
Had we not would we be having this very same discussion about guns instead of machetes?.
So they need to understand the west, but the west doesn't need to understand Salafism. Why's that then?
Assimilation. Ok, how?
Salafists disagree. You would know this if you knew your enemy.
The first half of the 20th century says otherwise.
Because modern western civilisation is about tolerance.
By adapting and realising that religion is destructive and promotes segregation and hatred towards others.
The first half of the 20th century was a madman with a problem with a certain religion. This desire to tolerate certain religions rather than religion learning to tolerate modern life has bred the likes of Tommy Robinson who given similar powers would be likely to take the same stance as Hitler's. The promotion of religious tolerance rather than tolerant religion is likely to create world war 3 eventually.
Because modern western civilisation is about tolerance.
By adapting and realising that religion is destructive and promotes segregation and hatred towards others.
The first half of the 20th century was a madman with a problem with a certain religion. This desire to tolerate certain religions rather than religion learning to tolerate modern life has bred the likes of Tommy Robinson who given similar powers would be likely to take the same stance as Hitler's. The promotion of religious tolerance rather than tolerant religion is likely to create world war 3 eventually.
You seem to have side stepped how you agreed the banning of one weapon was correct but the banning of another isn't.
Or have you now realised you contradicted yourself and admit further controls of machetes are required?.
You seem to have side stepped how you agreed the banning of one weapon was correct but the banning of another isn't.
Or have you now realised you contradicted yourself and admit further controls of machetes are required?.
I'm trying to get to the nub of the argument. This is all superficial.
Because modern western civilisation is about tolerance.
By adapting and realising that religion is destructive and promotes segregation and hatred towards others.
The first half of the 20th century was a madman with a problem with a certain religion. This desire to tolerate certain religions rather than religion learning to tolerate modern life has bred the likes of Tommy Robinson who given similar powers would be likely to take the same stance as Hitler's. The promotion of religious tolerance rather than tolerant religion is likely to create world war 3 eventually.
Have a look on YouTube at Tommy Robinson speaking at Oxford union, it opened my eyes to some issues and changed my opinion of him being a ****/white supremacist type.
Have a look on YouTube at Tommy Robinson speaking at Oxford union, it opened my eyes to some issues and changed my opinion of him being a ****/white supremacist type.
I've a long way to go to convince this rabble that he actually makes some very good points.
My point regarding Tommy Robinson is that someone like him who is gaining more and more of a following could potentially be very dangerous (maybe not Tommy himself but someone of more extreme views, these lot think he's extreme, they've never actually given his opinions any time or thought).
Like I said in an earlier post I see him as more demanding toward equality than most liberals.
I've a long way to go to convince this rabble that he actually makes some very good points.
My point regarding Tommy Robinson is that someone like him who is gaining more and more of a following could potentially be very dangerous (maybe not Tommy himself but someone of more extreme views, these lot think he's extreme, they've never actually given his opinions any time or thought).
Like I said in an earlier post I see him as more demanding toward equality than most liberals.
It doesn't matter whether what Robinson says is true or not, it's whether it's effective. I should know, I once held the same position as him. Fact is aggressive criticism of Islam alienates moderates and pushes those on the fence to regress more deeply into their faith. If you chose to study Islam you'd discover that this regression often leads to Salafism which in turn can lead (particularly amongst impressionable young men) to a call to offensive jihad. I used to call for the extirpation of militant Islamism as my 'solution' and did so until I realised it was never, ever going to happen. It's entirely futile. Now grow up and get real.
[QUOTE=JTaylor;11946175]Fact is aggressive criticism of Islam [QUOTE]
I've not watched all of his videos. However the ones I have seen aren't criticising islam. They criticize peadophiles that happen to be muslim, and the people outside courts attacking him would appear to be muslim. He criticises the mosques that pedal hatred.
If anything the majority of what I've seen actually seems to be aimed at the laws and politicians protecting certain crimes and the people involved in them.
What I don't agree with is that those crimes are all committed by a certain religious group and he concentrates fully on them. I have no doubt at all that he is racist. But given the way the muslim community treat him, with death threats and always violent towards him then I'm not surprised.
And this is what you don't seem to understand and I've been saying it for weeks. The longer these attacks go on the more likely people are to move over to the right. The more attacks, the more voices we will hear of a racist ideology.
The more you accept that we need to make small changes the more people will see differences and not look for alternatives.
What would you say was more damaging to society.
The control of dangerous weapons like Machetes?
The increase in the populations belief in right wing policies?.
And I personally think you spout bollocks. I don't believe you were anywhere near as popular as Tommy Robinson. You're so full of your own **** you can't see properly anymore.
This thread is done. I've said what I came here to say. It's going to be a long uphill struggle to unplug the brainwashed but i'll plough on.
I've not watched all of his videos. However the ones I have seen aren't criticising islam. They criticize peadophiles that happen to be muslim, and the people outside courts attacking him would appear to be muslim. He criticises the mosques that pedal hatred.
If anything the majority of what I've seen actually seems to be aimed at the laws and politicians protecting certain crimes and the people involved in them.
What I don't agree with is that those crimes are all committed by a certain religious group and he concentrates fully on them. I have no doubt at all that he is racist. But given the way the muslim community treat him, with death threats and always violent towards him then I'm not surprised.
And this is what you don't seem to understand and I've been saying it for weeks. The longer these attacks go on the more likely people are to move over to the right. The more attacks, the more voices we will hear of a racist ideology.
The more you accept that we need to make small changes the more people will see differences and not look for alternatives.
What would you say was more damaging to society.
The control of dangerous weapons like Machetes?
The increase in the populations belief in right wing policies?.
And I personally think you spout bollocks. I don't believe you were anywhere near as popular as Tommy Robinson. You're so full of your own **** you can't see properly anymore.
This thread is done. I've said what I came here to say. It's going to be a long uphill struggle to unplug the brainwashed but i'll plough on.
The same political and philosophical position as Robinson. Anyway, good luck finding your answers, it might be a long slog.
The same political and philosophical position as Robinson. Anyway, good luck finding your answers, it might be a long slog.
Ok in this case I'd ask you what evidence, and I mean evidence that has made you flick from the extreme right to the extreme left?.
You realise my entire standpoint is that left and right are just as wrong, just as deluded and just as idiotic as each other?
Im not sure why you have this weird arrogance when realistically all you've done is switch 'teams' if you like, a political Sol Campbell.
You'd be much better off realising that the airy fairy bull**** you peddle is as damaging as far right idiotic racism. Perhaps that's the next stage of your 'enlightenment' lol.
Ok in this case I'd ask you what evidence, and I mean evidence that has made you flick from the extreme right to the extreme left?.
You realise my entire standpoint is that left and right are just as wrong, just as deluded and just as idiotic as each other?
Im not sure why you have this weird arrogance when realistically all you've done is switch 'teams' if you like, a political Sol Campbell.
You'd be much better off realising that the airy fairy bull**** you peddle is as damaging as far right idiotic racism. Perhaps that's the next stage of your 'enlightenment' lol.
I haven't gone from extreme right to extreme left. My theological, philosophical and political position regarding militant Islam is unchanged, what has changed is my response to it. Matthew 5:44 tells me to love my enemies and because I trust in Jesus that, though hard, is what I endeavour to do. I've been of this mindset for the last six years.
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