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Old 05 June 2017, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AbbasSTI
As a Muslim I'd like to say once again, these types of terrorist acts make me feel physically sick. I pray for a swift recovery for those injured.
I don't post much, but would like to say I agree with 90% of what Kwik says. A tougher stance needed to be taken years ago.
If I had any suspicions about anyone being a terrorist or have those kinds of inclinations, I'm certain I would report report them.
Thanks. It's in its early stages at the moment lol.
Perhaps permanent house arrest with loss of anonymity when terms aren't complied with. At least it's an idea. Better than shrugging shoulders and hoping for the best.
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Originally Posted by AbbasSTI
As a Muslim I'd like to say once again, these types of terrorist acts make me feel physically sick. I pray for a swift recovery for those injured.
I don't post much, but would like to say I agree with 90% of what Kwik says. A tougher stance needed to be taken years ago.
If I had any suspicions about anyone being a terrorist or have those kinds of inclinations, I'm certain I would report report them.
Indeed and contrary to popular belief most of the really good intel on suspects comes from within the Muslim community.
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Originally Posted by Kwik
And?. I'm sure as they are under surveillance they'd be protected from a baying mob. Any violent thugs would be locked up, two birds with one stone.

Are you happy living in a world where terrorists are protected?.

No clearly not, but you seem to be
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Indeed and contrary to popular belief most of the really good intel on suspects comes from within the Muslim community.
Sources?.
Old 05 June 2017, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AbbasSTI
As a Muslim I'd like to say once again, these types of terrorist acts make me feel physically sick. I pray for a swift recovery for those injured.
I don't post much, but would like to say I agree with 90% of what Kwik says. A tougher stance needed to be taken years ago.
If I had any suspicions about anyone being a terrorist or have those kinds of inclinations, I'm certain I would report report them.
Can you just clarify, for the record, what exactly it is with which you agree?
Old 05 June 2017, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
No clearly not, but you seem to be
Obviously not, otherwise I wouldn't be calling for their right to anonymity to be taken.
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Thanks. It's in its early stages at the moment lol.
Perhaps permanent house arrest with loss of anonymity when terms aren't complied with. At least it's an idea. Better than shrugging shoulders and hoping for the best.
What is?! Your plan?! This is patently ridiculous!
Old 05 June 2017, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Sources?.
Alan Johnson (former Home Secretary) hes probably in a better position to know than you.
Old 05 June 2017, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Obviously not, otherwise I wouldn't be calling for their right to anonymity to be taken.
But then you'd said it would be ok because they're protected.

ffs, do yourself a favour and read what you post
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
What is?! Your plan?! This is patently ridiculous!
No it's not, it's a wicked idea. Pure and simply because he's leaving himself open to being locked up/named and shamed for harbouring extremist views.
Old 05 June 2017, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Alan Johnson (former Home Secretary) hes probably in a better position to know than you.
Labour lol. Can you provide details of the information given and the convictions it led to?.
How much embellishment in the name of 'peace' do you think was added to any statement he may have made?.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
No it's not, it's a wicked idea. Pure and simply because he's leaving himself open to being locked up/named and shamed for harbouring extremist views.
I can't wait for Abbas to make clear that with which he agrees: The thoughtcrime list being made public and the people on the list then being protected by the police? Genius. Quite why the authorities haven't immediately adopted Kwik's plan is beyond me.
Old 05 June 2017, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Labour lol. Can you provide details of the information given and the convictions it led to?.
How much embellishment in the name of 'peace' do you think was added to any statement he may have made?.
This is great. Give me a load of questions that I can't possibly answer so you can make your view credible. It's a good tactic.

It's certainly concerning that you know more about what's going on than a former Home Sec.

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You said the Muslim community give lots of information. That information, if of any use would have been used to arrest and charge. Those providing information, or being witnesses would have stood up in court to help convict.
So again, please give indications of the information that was passed forward and the convictions that the information led to.

The fact you cant should speak volumes to you.
Old 05 June 2017, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
You said the Muslim community give lots of information. That information, if of any use would have been used to arrest and charge. Those providing information, or being witnesses would have stood up in court to help convict.
So again, please give indications of the information that was passed forward and the convictions that the information led to.

The fact you cant should speak volumes to you.
Witnesses?

I give up
Old 05 June 2017, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I can't wait for Abbas to make clear that with which he agrees: The thoughtcrime list being made public and the people on the list then being protected by the police? Genius. Quite why the authorities haven't immediately adopted Kwik's plan is beyond me.
Because people like you would wet your knickers and demand we respect any potential terrorists human rights.
Old 05 June 2017, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Can you just clarify, for the record, what exactly it is with which you agree?
I'm a lurker and have read lots of his posts in the past and agree with the sentiment. Not specifically the naming and shaming. I'd prefer the Saudi method, execution. I haven't got a real workable solution but want tougher action.
I'm surprised how much hate Kwik gets, he has said many times he has no problem with Muslims in general, just the extreme ones.
Old 05 June 2017, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Because people like you would wet your knickers and demand we respect any potential terrorists human rights.
Ok. So it looks like this:

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      Originally Posted by Martin2005
      Witnesses?

      I give up
      Quite simply Martin you made a statement and can't back it up. You can't back it up because the information isn't there.
      Still, without evidence to support your theory you will believe what you want to believe.

      Without evidence it's just a rumour. Started by a left wing politician of all people lol, and we all know how trustworthy politicians are.
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      Originally Posted by AbbasSTI
      I'm a lurker and have read lots of his posts in the past and agree with the sentiment. Not specifically the naming and shaming. I'd prefer the Saudi method, execution. I haven't got a real workable solution but want tougher action.
      I'm surprised how much hate Kwik gets, he has said many times he has no problem with Muslims in general, just the extreme ones.
      So you advocate execution for thoughtcrime?
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      Originally Posted by AbbasSTI
      I'm a lurker and have read lots of his posts in the past and agree with the sentiment. Not specifically the naming and shaming. I'd prefer the Saudi method, execution. I haven't got a real workable solution but want tougher action.
      I'm surprised how much hate Kwik gets, he has said many times he has no problem with Muslims in general, just the extreme ones.
      I don't think he gets hate, in my case it's just bewilderment.
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      Originally Posted by Kwik
      Because people like you would wet your knickers and demand we respect any potential terrorists human rights.
      You either respect everyone's human rights or no ones. You can't pick and choose based on who you do/don't like.
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      Originally Posted by Martin2005
      I don't think he gets hate, in my case it's just bewilderment.
      Quite.
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      Originally Posted by Kwik
      Quite simply Martin you made a statement and can't back it up. You can't back it up because the information isn't there.
      Still, without evidence to support your theory you will believe what you want to believe.

      Without evidence it's just a rumour. Started by a left wing politician of all people lol, and we all know how trustworthy politicians are.
      It's not my theory. It's what a former Home Secretary went on the record with.

      It's not me who has to prove anything, you're the one arguing with it.
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      Originally Posted by AbbasSTI
      I'm a lurker and have read lots of his posts in the past and agree with the sentiment. Not specifically the naming and shaming. I'd prefer the Saudi method, execution. I haven't got a real workable solution but want tougher action.
      I'm surprised how much hate Kwik gets, he has said many times he has no problem with Muslims in general, just the extreme ones.
      Again thanks. I have a differing opinion, and bigots generally hate a different opinion. Look at how this thread has 'woken up' with my introduction, you can almost feel them foaming at the mouth.
      It's a general thought that I'm racist, despite my constant distaste at the extreme right wing. But then when has facts mattered to bigots.
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      Originally Posted by JTaylor
      So you advocate execution for thoughtcrime?
      Yes, terrorists and peados. Why waste money on rehabilitation, I'd rather use that money on people who deserve it.
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      Originally Posted by AbbasSTI
      Yes, terrorists and peados. Why waste money on rehabilitation, I'd rather use that money on people who deserve it.
      Beheading?
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      Originally Posted by Kwik
      Again thanks. I have a differing opinion, and bigots generally hate a different opinion. Look at how this thread has 'woken up' with my introduction, you can almost feel them foaming at the mouth.
      It's a general thought that I'm racist, despite my constant distaste at the extreme right wing. But then when has facts mattered to bigots.
      Keep telling yourself that
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      Originally Posted by AbbasSTI
      As a Muslim I'd like to say once again, these types of terrorist acts make me feel physically sick. I pray for a swift recovery for those injured.
      I don't post much, but would like to say I agree with 90% of what Kwik says. A tougher stance needed to be taken years ago.
      If I had any suspicions about anyone being a terrorist or have those kinds of inclinations, I'm certain I would report report them.
      Out of interest, what is your branch of Islam? I'll hazard a guess at Shia?
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      Originally Posted by Petem95
      Out of interest, what is your branch of Islam? I'll hazard a guess at Shia?
      Wrong team. Sunni, Salafist.



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