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25 March 2017, 03:24 PM
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Hi,
Jesus is mentioned in the Koran and is recognised as a prophet by Muslims.
Living in a Muslim country and coming into regular contact with Muslims from the whole Middle East - Syrians, Qataris, Omanis, Iranians, Jordanians, Emiratis, Saudis, Bahrainis, Palestinians, Jordanians, Egyptians, Iraqis etc. - they all condemn radical Muslims, IS and the actions we saw in London this week.
We often have very in depth conversations about their faith and how the radicals are causing problems for moderate Muslims, the world over.
I had a meeting with a project director of a local construction company on Thursday morning. He has been in Abu Dhabi for 17 years and his family still live in southern Syria near the border with Jordan.
He is very sad at how his country has been destroyed by fighting between various factions and what IS are doing in the name of Islam.
He worries about his future - as he does not have a plan B - as he can't easily return to his home country whilst it is at war with itself.
I mentioned to him the word association game and how sad it is that if you ask a British person on the street the next word that comes into their head after Muslim - most would say "terrorist" - despite 99.99% of Muslims being god fearing, normal, family people.
It's the 0.01% that cause all the trouble!
Cheers
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Jesus is mentioned in the Koran and is recognised as a prophet by Muslims.
Living in a Muslim country and coming into regular contact with Muslims from the whole Middle East - Syrians, Qataris, Omanis, Iranians, Jordanians, Emiratis, Saudis, Bahrainis, Palestinians, Jordanians, Egyptians, Iraqis etc. - they all condemn radical Muslims, IS and the actions we saw in London this week.
We often have very in depth conversations about their faith and how the radicals are causing problems for moderate Muslims, the world over.
I had a meeting with a project director of a local construction company on Thursday morning. He has been in Abu Dhabi for 17 years and his family still live in southern Syria near the border with Jordan.
He is very sad at how his country has been destroyed by fighting between various factions and what IS are doing in the name of Islam.
He worries about his future - as he does not have a plan B - as he can't easily return to his home country whilst it is at war with itself.
I mentioned to him the word association game and how sad it is that if you ask a British person on the street the next word that comes into their head after Muslim - most would say "terrorist" - despite 99.99% of Muslims being god fearing, normal, family people.
It's the 0.01% that cause all the trouble!
Cheers
Steve
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25 March 2017, 03:39 PM
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25 March 2017, 03:57 PM
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Sure. The Qur'an and Mohammad are radical; there's no such thing as a 'moderate' Muslim. Those people who you describe as moderate Muslims are, in fact, cultural Muslims. I assert that IS reflects the man (Mohammad) and the book (The Qur'an) and that cultural Muslims do not reflect the man and the book. To be radicalised is actually to make the switch from being a cultural to a practising Muslim.
25 March 2017, 04:07 PM
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Sure. The Qur'an and Mohammad are radical; there's no such thing as a 'moderate' Muslim. Those people who you describe as moderate Muslims are, in fact, cultural Muslims. I assert that IS reflects the man (Mohammad) and the book (The Qur'an) and that cultural Muslims do not reflect the man and the book. To be radicalised is actually to make the switch from being a cultural to a practising Muslim.
I have lived and worked in the Middle East since 1984 - so feel well placed to make my judgement based on interacting with Muslims from this region for over 30 years.
IS ideaology is a total misrepresentation of true Islamic faith and true Muslims are horrified by the way IS is reflecting so badly on their religion and way of life - well proven by your (misguided) assertions and assumptions.
We are very fortunate to live in the UAE - where they have enshrined in law that people of all faiths can live and worship in their respective churches, mosques and temples and it is illegal here to discriminate against another person based on their religion.
25 March 2017, 04:17 PM
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Well - you can assert all you like - but I believe you are wrong.
I have lived and worked in the Middle East since 1984 - so feel well placed to make my judgement based on interacting with Muslims from this region for over 30 years.
IS ideaology is a total misrepresentation of true Islamic faith and true Muslims are horrified by the way IS is reflecting so badly on their religion and way of life - well proven by your (misguided) assertions and assumptions.
We are very fortunate to live in the UAE - where they have enshrined in law that people of all faiths can live and worship in their respective churches, mosques and temples and it is illegal here to discriminate against another person based on their religion.
I have lived and worked in the Middle East since 1984 - so feel well placed to make my judgement based on interacting with Muslims from this region for over 30 years.
IS ideaology is a total misrepresentation of true Islamic faith and true Muslims are horrified by the way IS is reflecting so badly on their religion and way of life - well proven by your (misguided) assertions and assumptions.
We are very fortunate to live in the UAE - where they have enshrined in law that people of all faiths can live and worship in their respective churches, mosques and temples and it is illegal here to discriminate against another person based on their religion.
25 March 2017, 04:32 PM
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25 March 2017, 05:22 PM
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Hi,
This is a really good article on the origins, rise and theology of IS and how they are generally viewed by the 1.6 billion Muslims of all varieties, from around the world.
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-af...-islamic-state
Cheers
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This is a really good article on the origins, rise and theology of IS and how they are generally viewed by the 1.6 billion Muslims of all varieties, from around the world.
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-af...-islamic-state
Cheers
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25 March 2017, 05:40 PM
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Hi,
This is a really good article on the origins, rise and theology of IS and how they are generally viewed by the 1.6 billion Muslims of all varieties, from around the world.
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-af...-islamic-state
Cheers
Steve
This is a really good article on the origins, rise and theology of IS and how they are generally viewed by the 1.6 billion Muslims of all varieties, from around the world.
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-af...-islamic-state
Cheers
Steve
25 March 2017, 05:48 PM
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Well - you can assert all you like - but I believe you are wrong.
I have lived and worked in the Middle East since 1984 - so feel well placed to make my judgement based on interacting with Muslims from this region for over 30 years.
IS ideaology is a total misrepresentation of true Islamic faith and true Muslims are horrified by the way IS is reflecting so badly on their religion and way of life - well proven by your (misguided) assertions and assumptions.
We are very fortunate to live in the UAE - where they have enshrined in law that people of all faiths can live and worship in their respective churches, mosques and temples and it is illegal here to discriminate against another person based on their religion.
I have lived and worked in the Middle East since 1984 - so feel well placed to make my judgement based on interacting with Muslims from this region for over 30 years.
IS ideaology is a total misrepresentation of true Islamic faith and true Muslims are horrified by the way IS is reflecting so badly on their religion and way of life - well proven by your (misguided) assertions and assumptions.
We are very fortunate to live in the UAE - where they have enshrined in law that people of all faiths can live and worship in their respective churches, mosques and temples and it is illegal here to discriminate against another person based on their religion.
If this is true Islam I don't want it in the UK.
25 March 2017, 07:57 PM
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25 March 2017, 08:04 PM
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UAE has plenty of Sharia law on the books and discriminates against women and gays. Apostasy is punishable by death and blasphemy is a crime. Homsexuality is a capital offense. Muslim women are banned from marrying non-Muslim men.
If this is true Islam I don't want it in the UK.
If this is true Islam I don't want it in the UK.
25 March 2017, 08:14 PM
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I can't be the only one who's noticed the irony in Scoobynets resident god fearing Christian trying to school is all on the ins and outs of Islam (even proclaiming to know more about Islam than the average Muslim).
25 March 2017, 08:23 PM
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What comes up for me is that the more devout religious follower you happened to be the more youre liable to believe all other orders have to be wrong/evil
Which leads one conclusion really
Which leads one conclusion really
26 March 2017, 01:04 AM
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26 March 2017, 09:20 AM
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Now we are hearing the Police conclude that the attacker acted totally alone, and the motives may never be known.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...on-acted-alone
So, perhaps a psychopath who killed innocent people to satisfy his personal need; not to contribute to any Islamist terrorism agenda.
26 March 2017, 10:23 AM
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True.
Now we are hearing the Police conclude that the attacker acted totally alone, and the motives may never be known.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...on-acted-alone
So, perhaps a psychopath who killed innocent people to satisfy his personal need; not to contribute to any Islamist terrorism agenda.
Now we are hearing the Police conclude that the attacker acted totally alone, and the motives may never be known.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...on-acted-alone
So, perhaps a psychopath who killed innocent people to satisfy his personal need; not to contribute to any Islamist terrorism agenda.
26 March 2017, 11:13 AM
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You mean, for a psychopath? Experts are looking into it. It has been said that he did seem to have mental health issues. He was from a good and financially satisfied family, lived in a good house as a child and popular in school, but became a bad boy afterwards. When he slashed someone's face, his old mate now tells people that he was in uncontrollable psychopathic rage at that time. He just couldn't stop, continued to slash things around him and himself said that he needed help. He beat his wives as well, and was very controlling. Lived like a house husband as well with his first successful businesswoman wife, apparently, and did small jobs in her lab/factory. That would have caused self-esteem issues for his ego. Also, one incident when his much loved 16-yr. old daughter was run over by a truck and nearly died, certainly sticks out. A mentally unstable guy with rage and control issues might have recreated that horror when he struck people with the car on the Westminster bridge. We don't know for sure, but **** like that does get taken into account to assess his mental processes that made him act the way he did.
Perhaps he passes the duck test for the ones who may still think that he was inspired by the Islamist terrorist agenda and was a part of an organised terrorism crime, because he looked like an Islamist terrorist, walked like an Islamist terrorist and killed like an Islamist terrorist? After all, apparently he pushed his eldest to become Muslim and follow Islam; the religion who you say is terribly twisted and blood thirsty. Still an Islamist terrorist, then? Hm?
Anyway, we should watch the space. We don't know enough yet, perhaps Police may come up with entirely different stuff about him in a next few days. I believe that their investigation must be still be ongoing, such big case won't be put to rest just yet.
Perhaps he passes the duck test for the ones who may still think that he was inspired by the Islamist terrorist agenda and was a part of an organised terrorism crime, because he looked like an Islamist terrorist, walked like an Islamist terrorist and killed like an Islamist terrorist? After all, apparently he pushed his eldest to become Muslim and follow Islam; the religion who you say is terribly twisted and blood thirsty. Still an Islamist terrorist, then? Hm?
Anyway, we should watch the space. We don't know enough yet, perhaps Police may come up with entirely different stuff about him in a next few days. I believe that their investigation must be still be ongoing, such big case won't be put to rest just yet.
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26 March 2017, 11:21 AM
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You mean, for a psychopath? Experts are looking into it. It has been said that he did seem to have mental health issues. He was from a good and financially satisfied family, lived in a good house as a child and popular in school, but became a bad boy afterwards. When he slashed someone's face, his old mate now tells people that he was in uncontrollable psychopathic rage at that time. He just couldn't stop, continued to slash things around him and himself said that he needed help. He beat his wives as well, and was very controlling. Lived like a house husband as well with his first successful businesswoman wife, apparently, and did small jobs in her lab/factory. That would have caused self-esteem issues for his ego. Also, one incident when his much loved 16-yr. old daughter was run over by a truck and nearly died, certainly sticks out. A mentally unstable guy with rage and control issues might have recreated that horror when he struck people with the car on the Westminster bridge. We don't know for sure, but **** like that does get taken into account to assess his mental processes that made him act the way he did.
Perhaps he passes the duck test for the ones who may still think that he was inspired by the Islamist terrorist agenda and was a part of an organised terrorism crime, because he looked like a Islamist terrorist, walked like an Islamist terrorist and killed like an Islamist terrorist? After all, apparently he pushed his eldest to become Muslim and follow Islam; the religion who you say is terribly twisted and blood thirsty. Still an Islamist terrorist, then? Hm?
Anyway, we should watch the space. We don't know enough yet, perhaps Police may come up with entirely different stuff about him in a next few days. I believe that their investigation must be still be ongoing, such big case won't be put to rest just yet.
Perhaps he passes the duck test for the ones who may still think that he was inspired by the Islamist terrorist agenda and was a part of an organised terrorism crime, because he looked like a Islamist terrorist, walked like an Islamist terrorist and killed like an Islamist terrorist? After all, apparently he pushed his eldest to become Muslim and follow Islam; the religion who you say is terribly twisted and blood thirsty. Still an Islamist terrorist, then? Hm?
Anyway, we should watch the space. We don't know enough yet, perhaps Police may come up with entirely different stuff about him in a next few days. I believe that their investigation must be still be ongoing, such big case won't be put to rest just yet.
26 March 2017, 12:00 PM
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The same can be said of the far right in the USA re Christianity. 
It's all social conditioning... Cowboys and Indians.. strange how the Cowboys were the good guys
Tarzan... a lone white man in the jungle... a force for good against all the nasty animals and the naughty black natives... 
yeah right.... come from the dark evil side , into the good light side, Black knight = bad... white knight = good , black magic ... white witch .... divide and conquer.
It's so easy it's laughable, lets just slide these naughty brown Muslims into that slot and create a new enemy from the old and use history books to help us.
If an educated man like you can't see what's going on here and puts all his energy into perpetuating this propaganda... what chance do the fools of this world stand in being able to decipher all the bollocks that they're are constantly bombarded with.
Like I've said many times... an education doesn't make you intelligent... it just makes you better fodder for the machine.
It's all social conditioning... Cowboys and Indians.. strange how the Cowboys were the good guys
Tarzan... a lone white man in the jungle... a force for good against all the nasty animals and the naughty black natives... yeah right.... come from the dark evil side , into the good light side, Black knight = bad... white knight = good , black magic ... white witch .... divide and conquer.It's so easy it's laughable, lets just slide these naughty brown Muslims into that slot and create a new enemy from the old and use history books to help us.
If an educated man like you can't see what's going on here and puts all his energy into perpetuating this propaganda... what chance do the fools of this world stand in being able to decipher all the bollocks that they're are constantly bombarded with.
Like I've said many times... an education doesn't make you intelligent... it just makes you better fodder for the machine.
26 March 2017, 12:02 PM
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Neil, Islamophobia and stereotyping are the characteristics of the ones who may still think that anyone who fits their picture is a terrorist. Yes, I may be battling with that, so would many, including you, who's not Islamophobic or doesn't stereotype Islam followers. This battle often repeats on SN, and it is already on, on this thread. I won't be instigating anything new TBH.
26 March 2017, 01:56 PM
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Neil, Islamophobia and stereotyping are the characteristics of the ones who may still think that anyone who fits their picture is a terrorist. Yes, I may be battling with that, so would many, including you, who's not Islamophobic or doesn't stereotype Islam followers. This battle often repeats on SN, and it is already on, on this thread. I won't be instigating anything new TBH.
26 March 2017, 03:29 PM
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If I didn't believe in the Holy Trinity, I wouldn't be a Christian. As a Christian it necessarily follows that I will consider Islam a false religion and Mohammad a false prophet. It's not arrogance, it's conviction. Those who disagree with me should strongly consider declaring the Shahada.
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