Thank you for that. Radical Islam and radical Christianity are opposed 180° - whatever respect I have for your experience derived opinion is made redundant by the study of the man and the book.

 

Sorry - can you explain your last sentence in plain English?

 

Sure. The Qur'an and Mohammad are radical; there's no such thing as a 'moderate' Muslim. Those people who you describe as moderate Muslims are, in fact, cultural Muslims. I assert that IS reflects the man (Mohammad) and the book (The Qur'an) and that cultural Muslims do not reflect the man and the book. To be radicalised is actually to make the switch from being a cultural to a practising Muslim.

 

Well - you can assert all you like - but I believe you are wrong.
I have lived and worked in the Middle East since 1984 - so feel well placed to make my judgement based on interacting with Muslims from this region for over 30 years.
IS ideaology is a total misrepresentation of true Islamic faith and true Muslims are horrified by the way IS is reflecting so badly on their religion and way of life - well proven by your (misguided) assertions and assumptions.
We are very fortunate to live in the UAE - where they have enshrined in law that people of all faiths can live and worship in their respective churches, mosques and temples and it is illegal here to discriminate against another person based on their religion.

 

According to what measure - the man and the book?

 

So what were the Christian crusaders cultural or did they get it all from the good book

 

https://www.scoobynet.com/1019239-sh...l#post11625919

 

Hi,
This is a really good article on the origins, rise and theology of IS and how they are generally viewed by the 1.6 billion Muslims of all varieties, from around the world.
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-af...-islamic-state

Cheers
Steve

 

The far-left have been co-opting Islamic narrative for a while now.

 

I used to like JTaylor and have a lot of time and respect for him, now I think he is just a ****. I have nothing further to add to this thread so wont post again. Good day people

 

Why don't you just write in plain English - rather than cryptic text?

 

The article seeks to defend Islam and is published by a far-left magazine. The far-left and Islam are bedfellows.

 

UAE has plenty of Sharia law on the books and discriminates against women and gays. Apostasy is punishable by death and blasphemy is a crime. Homsexuality is a capital offense. Muslim women are banned from marrying non-Muslim men.

If this is true Islam I don't want it in the UK.

 

Has JTaylor’s brand of Christian love somewhat missed the mark here? A re-evaluation may be required before strolling into Mosul to convert Isis.

 

Tough love.

 

I think you are confusing UAE with Saudi Arabia - they are totally different!

 

I can't be the only one who's noticed the irony in Scoobynets resident god fearing Christian trying to school is all on the ins and outs of Islam (even proclaiming to know more about Islam than the average Muslim).

 

I can assure you that I am not confusing anything.

 

What comes up for me is that the more devout religious follower you happened to be the more youre liable to believe all other orders have to be wrong/evil


Which leads one conclusion really

 

Not sure how far that argument gets us...

Most Brexit voters weren't thick racists, but pretty much every thick racist voted for Brexit.

 

True.

Now we are hearing the Police conclude that the attacker acted totally alone, and the motives may never be known.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...on-acted-alone

So, perhaps a psychopath who killed innocent people to satisfy his personal need; not to contribute to any Islamist terrorism agenda.

 

Doesn't pass the duck test though, does it?

 

You mean, for a psychopath? Experts are looking into it. It has been said that he did seem to have mental health issues. He was from a good and financially satisfied family, lived in a good house as a child and popular in school, but became a bad boy afterwards. When he slashed someone's face, his old mate now tells people that he was in uncontrollable psychopathic rage at that time. He just couldn't stop, continued to slash things around him and himself said that he needed help. He beat his wives as well, and was very controlling. Lived like a house husband as well with his first successful businesswoman wife, apparently, and did small jobs in her lab/factory. That would have caused self-esteem issues for his ego. Also, one incident when his much loved 16-yr. old daughter was run over by a truck and nearly died, certainly sticks out. A mentally unstable guy with rage and control issues might have recreated that horror when he struck people with the car on the Westminster bridge. We don't know for sure, but **** like that does get taken into account to assess his mental processes that made him act the way he did.

Perhaps he passes the duck test for the ones who may still think that he was inspired by the Islamist terrorist agenda and was a part of an organised terrorism crime, because he looked like an Islamist terrorist, walked like an Islamist terrorist and killed like an Islamist terrorist? After all, apparently he pushed his eldest to become Muslim and follow Islam; the religion who you say is terribly twisted and blood thirsty. Still an Islamist terrorist, then? Hm?

Anyway, we should watch the space. We don't know enough yet, perhaps Police may come up with entirely different stuff about him in a next few days. I believe that their investigation must be still be ongoing, such big case won't be put to rest just yet.

 

Problem is I have a feeling you maybe battling some pretty serious confirmation bias with this bit...

 

Agreed.

 

The same can be said of the far right in the USA re Christianity.

It's all social conditioning... Cowboys and Indians.. strange how the Cowboys were the good guys Tarzan... a lone white man in the jungle... a force for good against all the nasty animals and the naughty black natives... yeah right.... come from the dark evil side , into the good light side, Black knight = bad... white knight = good , black magic ... white witch .... divide and conquer.

It's so easy it's laughable, lets just slide these naughty brown Muslims into that slot and create a new enemy from the old and use history books to help us.

If an educated man like you can't see what's going on here and puts all his energy into perpetuating this propaganda... what chance do the fools of this world stand in being able to decipher all the bollocks that they're are constantly bombarded with.

Like I've said many times... an education doesn't make you intelligent... it just makes you better fodder for the machine.

 

Neil, Islamophobia and stereotyping are the characteristics of the ones who may still think that anyone who fits their picture is a terrorist. Yes, I may be battling with that, so would many, including you, who's not Islamophobic or doesn't stereotype Islam followers. This battle often repeats on SN, and it is already on, on this thread. I won't be instigating anything new TBH.

 

I'm not sure I'd describe James as Islamophobic so much as arrogantly convinced his views are correct (an arrogance frequently found in followers of certain religions, not so much in some of the more fun Asian religions).

 

I think that is an opinion held by most on the forum Neil.

 

If I didn't believe in the Holy Trinity, I wouldn't be a Christian. As a Christian it necessarily follows that I will consider Islam a false religion and Mohammad a false prophet. It's not arrogance, it's conviction. Those who disagree with me should strongly consider declaring the Shahada.