Turbohot

Where's Banny's post gone? Never mind.

JTaylor

Just deal with the question.

dpb

He just sounds like misfit / underachiever

normal pattern really, just needed something bigger to cling onto

Turbohot

Don't tell me what to do. I don't like your tone here.

You trying to be clever by your boring questioning is getting silly. I've already dealt with your question game and concluded that by your questioning, you are trying to prove that you're right on saying that Islam is super twisted. Proving yourself always right by means of attempting to find gaps in people's knowledge, by your obstinate questioning is so important to you, isn't it? LOL.

Now, deal with the question I ask you. I know that you've already answered most of it by answering Neil previously that 'most Muslims don't understand Islam', but I am asking you again the key part of my question:

If Islam is such a terrorism enticing religion, do you think that all peacefully living Muslims may be carrying some seeds of terrorism in them because they follow Islam?

Deal with my question.

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Imagine the following online conversation:
Wannabe jihadist: "I feel as though my life is unfulfilled and empty, I long for a greater cause to be part of."
Faceless islamist agitator: "Come and join us brother, there is always room among us for a true follower of the faith."
Wannabe jihadist: "OK cool, tell me what I have to do to be part of your club?"
Faceless islamist agitator: "All in good time brother, for now just do some background reading from our favourite recommended websites, and watch some of these really cool action videos."
...
a few months later
...
Wannabe jihadist: "So, will you tell me soon what I have to do to be part of your club?"
Faceless islamist agitator: "Sure, let's have a chat about that. Hmmm, so you know how we said there's always room among us for true believers? Yeah, well, "always" might not have been the best choice of words there. In fact, we kinda had this thing in mind where you probably won't live past the end of next week. Still, it's all in a good cause, and you get to be part of the coolest club on the whole Internet for a couple of weeks before it's all over. You good with that?"
Wannabe jihadist: "Can't I just make the teas and coffees and do all the photocopying or something like that? I'm really good with an electric kettle."
Faceless islamist agitator: "Yeah, well, we already have someone who covers that. But we'd really like it if you could help us out with that thing in a couple of weeks?"
Wannabe jihadist: "Oh, allright then, I suppose so. If it's in a good cause and everything."


I blame reality TV personally, people are so desparate for their 15 minutes of fame they'll literally do anything to get on the box, even if it's only the 6 o'clock news

Turbohot

Apparently he was quite liked in his school when he was young. But perhaps after his school days, things went downhill for him? As he himself is dead now, he has left behind his posthumous infamy as a terrorist for his wife and kids to cling on to. Sounds like a guy with personal frustrations turned terrorist. There is a pattern, I agree.

Turbohot

Late Jo ***'s husband speaks well here that Westminster attacker represents British Muslims no more than his wife's murderer represents the people from Yorkshire:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7645026.html

tarmac terror

iTrader: (2)

I really dont like the language used in reporting these events - the bloke from Wednesday's attack committed a number of serious criminal offences, he is a criminal, albeit not a very good one as he is now in a mortuary somewhere.

Allowing use of the 'terrorist' label, in my opinion, offers an acknowlegment of "a cause", and in a way almost adds legitimacy to such actions. Not wanting to downplay the effect of Wednesday's events, but two days on this is still headline news, pouring over the detail of who the attacker was, where he went to school, where he had worked - I cant help but feel this is the wrong way to deal with this, the bloke was slotted by a close protection officer within minutes of carrying out a cowardly attack on an unarmed police officer and defenceless civilians, the focus seems to be more on the bloke who carried out the attack than those who stopped him.

As for Daesh claiming the attack, I doubt if the media hadn't given it so much coverage, they would have known nothing about it, nor would they have known anything of the unhinged criminal entity that carried it out.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

What I question is why IS wasn't stopped in it's infancy as the US and coalition in Iraq was well aware of it's birth and splinter from Al Qaeda but did nothing to stop it. I find it hard to believe it is as simple as underestimating it's threat from an early stage.[/QUOTE]
the above is easily answered allow it to happen so the goverment can spend billions of our money on counter terrorism and security, whilst all along profiting from the industry of fear, after someone very famous(and i cant remember who) was quoted as saying WHAT BETTER WAY TO CONTROL THE POPULATION IS THERE OTHER THAN FEAR AND MONEY

trevsjwood

iTrader: (2)

well you've certainly downplayed events, to label the killer a criminal is too complimentary in my view

Fabioso

Do we evolve to be better humans before or after we are squished into a bridge wall by a lunatic in a car? or shot with an AK-47 on a beach.................?

JTaylor

As already stated, the majority of people who are called Muslims do not understand Islam. The seeds of terrorism are in the book and the man Mohammad. If you can't accept that, lay out your case.

JTaylor

I take your point, but what do you propose the enemies of Islam do in response? I say love trumps hate and that the former is more powerful and more radical and more likely to illicit a positive change of heart amongst wouldbe Mohammads.

Paben

iTrader: (5)

In the history of conflict when has love actually triumphed over hate? It's easy to sit in your armchair and spout this stuff but exactly how would you implement your 'powerful and radical' ideas when dealing with the likes of ISIS?

JTaylor

Jesus, Saul of Tarsus, Gandhi, Dr. King...

To reiterate, there's no political or military solution.

Paben

iTrader: (5)

You need to try again. Apart from the unfortunate ends that these people met, none was involved in the ending of a war. So, how would your 'love' deal with ISIS?

JTaylor

You didn't state war, you stated conflict.

In answer to your question, I'm unsure of the mechanics, but I trust in Jesus and He commanded so. Paul articulates it here:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.b...nterface%3Damp

Imagine, as I illustrated the last time we had this conversation, if we'd responded to 9/11 in accordance with the teachings of Christ.

Paben

iTrader: (5)

Yes, my mistake, I ought to have said ‘armed conflict’, the kind that causes misery, death and destruction when the bombs and bullets are flying.

Wishful thinking and imagining what might have been are luxuries that perhaps satisfy the armchair philosopher but fix nothing. There is an obligation to remain in the ‘now’ as history can’t be kicked into reverse.

Just for once, in practical terms, how does ‘love’ overcome ISIS? To me, being ‘unsure of the mechanics’ means you really have no idea so what’s the point of preaching love as a solution?

JTaylor

It wouldn't be practical, it would be an act of the Holy Spirit. History tells us that reformations and revolutions do indeed happen as a result of His movement. The point of preaching love as the solution is that it is, indeed, the solution. Guns and war and killing and hate exacerbate the misery you describe.

Turbohot

So, this way, your view suggests that the majority of peaceful Islam followers who do not cause terror are are so dumb that they do not understand their own Islam, and you understand it better than all of them put together? LOL!

And, if the seeds of terrorism in Mohammad and the book, do you think that the readers of it, even with half their wit (in your view) must be internalising the contents hence absorbing the terrorism to certain extent? You are suggesting Islam reformation because you are obviously worried about Muhammad's teachings and its influence on people, and you think that you have the solution and you can be the Saul of Tarsus ambassador for peace! This is a joke! Your arrogant tone, your belittling for the Islam followers that they don't understand Islam, implying that they are lacking intelligence, and then your wish to sit down with them, and give them your Christian 'love' to calm them down seems a big fail.

Ask the opinions of the Islam followers here. They'd tell you that they won't entertain you at all with any of you so-called 'love' with your messiah complex attitude; not just towards their religion Islam but even in general.

JTaylor

I made no such claim to be the new Saul of Tarsus (Paul). You've spectacularly misunderstood what I've written. Now, calm down.

Martin2005

I don't think she did JT.

I think her basic point is that you've endlessly painted a picture of 'Islam bad, Christianity good'.

I'm not entirely sure what your motives are anymore matey😀

Paben

iTrader: (5)

Ah well, there we are then. We send in the missionaries and slow that ISIS lot down with a bit of Christian love and cheek turning. Best make sure they're well insured first though.

JTaylor

If that's Swati's point, then yes. I'm of the view, as you know, that Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life and that Islam is the outpouring of a false prophet. History bears witness to this truism.

JTaylor

They'd have the best policy on the planet. And for what it's worth, my church funds missionaries who are well behind enemy lines. Men and women who really do have the courage of their convictions.

Paben

iTrader: (5)

Unlike you?

Turbohot

I'm calm, dear. Don't patronise me.

Yes, as Martin says, that's the basic point Swati was making. But in fact, Swati's point additionally involves you trying be the Saul of Tarsus, yes.

Swati means me.

I haven't spectacularly misunderstood anything. It's all in black and white here. Read back your response in #109 to my #107. That will show you; along with your sense of superiority on this thread (and other thread in past), that you do seem to have the messiah complex. You portray yourself as if you are the Chosen one on a mission, to make some special contribution to this world. Remember your Matrix thread years ago? LOL.

Anyway, rescue yourself before you rescue others. That's with your own trap of arrogance.

JTaylor

I'm not the messiah, I'm a very naughty boy.

JTaylor

This is a false equivalence, by the way.

steve05wrx

Hi,
Jesus is mentioned in the Koran and is recognised as a prophet by Muslims.
Living in a Muslim country and coming into regular contact with Muslims from the whole Middle East - Syrians, Qataris, Omanis, Iranians, Jordanians, Emiratis, Saudis, Bahrainis, Palestinians, Jordanians, Egyptians, Iraqis etc. - they all condemn radical Muslims, IS and the actions we saw in London this week.
We often have very in depth conversations about their faith and how the radicals are causing problems for moderate Muslims, the world over.
I had a meeting with a project director of a local construction company on Thursday morning. He has been in Abu Dhabi for 17 years and his family still live in southern Syria near the border with Jordan.
He is very sad at how his country has been destroyed by fighting between various factions and what IS are doing in the name of Islam.
He worries about his future - as he does not have a plan B - as he can't easily return to his home country whilst it is at war with itself.
I mentioned to him the word association game and how sad it is that if you ask a British person on the street the next word that comes into their head after Muslim - most would say "terrorist" - despite 99.99% of Muslims being god fearing, normal, family people.
It's the 0.01% that cause all the trouble!
Cheers
Steve