JackClark

You're going to have a hard time arguing that Apple computers are inflexible full stop and using a mainframe as an example was disasterous.

On-the-bog

That is a desktop lol

There is no argument, because even you admit apple can't get anywhere near that level of hardware.

Holy cow, you really have been brainwashed by apple. I wonder if they train the CIA to do it? lol

JackClark

So I admit that Apple is not the answer to every computing need - obvious - yet I'm still brainwashed. Odd.

On-the-bog

They can be used in every need therefore by the very definition they aren't flexible. Or do you need a dictionary? lol

we aren't talking servers here, were talking a machine sat on someones desk or under their desk, or where ever they want to put it.

And gaming hasn't even been mentioned yet lol

You really can't see beyond Apples marketing can you

JackClark

What is this magic computer than fits every need? And if it's a desktop then that doesn't fit my need for a battery operated device so by your definition not flexible!!

On-the-bog

Then get a laptop

JackClark

Not flexible, I want to use the latest £1000 graphics card to play a game "you can't do that on a MacBook"

Do you see how silly this game is?

On-the-bog

depends what resolution and frame rate you want, how many monitors etc

With apple stuff you have to do what they say, now that is silly. Pay twice as much for someone else's specification.

Step away from licking the apples crack haha

neil-h

You make it sound like there's one option I've just had a quick look and there are 20 different permutations of the Macbook and that's without going into the configurator options (so not someone else's specification, you choose what you want).

JackClark

What you can't do though is choose a processor overcocked by your mate Jimmy the Guru with purple water-cooling and ultraviolet heat sink paste. Inflexible.

On-the-bog

i can spec a machine on 200 different graphics cards alone on non apple so thanks for proving my point.

neil-h

As an off the shelf build?

Wurzel

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I have 2 of these under my desk at the moment as my daily drive, aswell as a Z600 and an Elitebook 8560W Laptop.

On-the-bog

We work direct with lenovo (among others, although they are our biggest supplier) so they will put in anything we want. We buy anywhere from 500-1000 computers a year depending on where we are in the cycle.

We tend to build the high end workstations in house though.

JackClark

Ask them for any colour but Black.

neil-h

That's hardly a fair comparison, in house bespoke build vs off the shelf optioned machine.

toffee_pie

Good old Jack will sooner do a seppuku rather than admit flaws in the mighty Apple

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2016/10/...ook-pro-event/

http://www.pcworld.com/article/31366...ns.html#slide1

JackClark

You read more Apple news than I do. Such a fool.

On-the-bog

if that's the case then apple is totally inflexible, since you can't do a custom build

bespoke build is only clipping components to a case in todays world. Not exactly hard

but to answer your point, we get a catalog of different chassis, then a choice of the usual stuff, like ram, SSD, secondary HDD, Chip, Graphics etc. Exactly what apple and all other manufacturers do, difference being apples option list is about 2 pages long including all the different machines where as other supplier choices tend to be two pages per component per chassis.

JackClark

Talking of cases did you ask for a Space Grey one, Apple do Space grey if Lenovo can't well "inflexible".

Surprised you haven't worked out how silly your argument is, I thought better of you.

On-the-bog

lol, run out of points you think are actualy valid?

I believe the color options are grey, white and black. Don't honestly ever remember even considering what color we wanted for office use

I know we can get cases of other colors on request, when we did the fitout on one project i know they specified a custom color case for for public areas. Was a chalky green type color.

But thats going off track.

neil-h

Hang on, you just said that Apple won't let you do custom builds. Then proceeded to state that they give you an options list to "customise" your build

None the less, that little bit if pedantry really is beside the point. The I've just had a quick look on Dells website (just as a convenient example) and Apple offer far more hardware options on a MacBook compared to Dells similar priced offering.

As for bespoke building something from a parts catalogue, whether or not you just clip it together is beside the point. We're still comparing an off the shelf optioned build against something built from bits with a very specific purpose in mind. Of course your HP work station is more flexible when you've got the entire industries parts list at your finger tips.

On-the-bog

I said apple was inflexible, I never said you couldn't change parts

I'm kinda lost what your getting at, whats the difference between an 'optioned build' and what I said about a 'catalog we pick parts from' for machines that arrive plug and play?

(well not quite cos we also have to customize the software setups on them, but that's a company thing, which would be alot harder with apple which wont run some of the custom software we have)

I'm not talking full bespoke machines we assemble from a box of parts.