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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 07:00 PM
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See, Lauri Love is so smart that he can crash the whole thing. His Aspie brain power is just out of this world!:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/lauri-love/

I think Nav Sarao is also capable of crashing the whole thing down:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-two-jobs.html

His friends even called him a legend. I can bet he's another Aspie.

I'm not glorifying their crimes, I'm just saying that these guys are bright as buttons, and therefore, the likes of them may be able to crash the whole world's internet one day.

I may be wrong. I don't understand technology that well, so perhaps I underestimate the solidity of the internet. I do understand that the company's own security systems fragility is a separate issue to the fragility or solidity of the internet.
they haven't "crashed the whole thing" they've just targeted one "company" in your example.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 07:18 PM
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they haven't "crashed the whole thing" they've just targeted one "company" in your example.
I didn't say that they crashed the whole thing. I said that the likes of these bright sparks can potentially bring the whole internet down, if they set their hyper-focused obsessive mind to it.

But if you say that internet is indestructible, then fine. I'd like to live with that, as I don't want internet to crash and disappear. I find it very useful. I'm sure you do. If it weren't for the internet, we wouldn't be chatting shyte here all day long, and procrastinating from what really needs to be done. Procrastination is my story for today, anyway. It has been alright, though. I still got some important work done, so no regrets.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 07:51 PM
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No, no they can't It doesn't matter how bright they are, logistically alone it's impossible.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 08:12 PM
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No, no they can't It doesn't matter how bright they are, logistically alone it's impossible.
Phew! Thank God for that! I don't want my internet gone, ever!

Wait till our resident conspiracy theorist Gary007 walks in, and gives his conspiracy theory with his prediction on the mortality of internet; along with his "Be afraid! Be very, very afraid, you malleable internet loving idiots!" stance.

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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 08:31 PM
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Well he can have a read of this when he appears then

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000085.htm
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbohot
It was realistically broken for 3-4 hours last night, Pimmo.




Yes, it was back up and running, I hear. Trumpquake perhaps calmed down by then. Peace and order restored.
No issues for me .. on it pretty much 24/7
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 08:35 PM
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Also the first thing you need to know about the Internet is that there is no such thing as "the Internet."

Most people get this wrong, people tend to think it's this one thing and it's not, it's thousands of independently owned and operated networks, networks that are tied together by physical connections that use a common protocol.
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No, no they can't It doesn't matter how bright they are, logistically alone it's impossible.

Well actually .. nothing is impossible .. if you create the perfect virus ..
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 08:39 PM
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Phew! Thank God for that! I don't want my internet gone, ever!

Wait till our resident conspiracy theorist Gary007 walks in, and gives his conspiracy theory with his prediction on the mortality of internet; along with his "Be afraid! Be very, very afraid, you malleable internet loving idiots!" stance.
yes when you have a proven conspiracy theorist as THE most powerful man in the world, the head of the CIA / NSA / FBI

he has the keys to the castle after all

does that mean all the CT'rs can now retire - all their theories will be blown wide open


no off course not - you just go deeper

that's the great thing about conspiracy theories, you go deeper - and you NEVER get to the bottom

Trump won't reveal Roswell, The Illuminati/NWO, UFO, Fake Moon Landings, Planet X etc etc


BEAUSE HE IS OBVIOULSY IN ON IT

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 08:41 PM
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Well actually .. nothing is impossible .. if you create the perfect virus ..
Rubbish, that would just be an inconvenience just like a DOS attack or a large hack, it would not crash the net. It would be like a mosquito bite on an elephant.

The only way to bring down the Internet is to get rid of all the people. i.e. an E.L.E even then there would be survivors and the net would continue.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 08:42 PM
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No issues for me .. on it pretty much 24/7
Well it was broken for Ali B as well. For me, it was down from, say 7pm to 12:30 am last night. It was coming up with broken server message. Al said that ironically, the Skinny Jeans broke it temporarily, not the big jeans Mr. Trump.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
yes when you have a proven conspiracy theorist as THE most powerful man in the world, the head of the CIA / NSA / FBI

he has the keys to the castle after all

does that mean all the CT'rs can now retire - all their theories will be blown wide open


no off course not - you just go deeper

that's the great thing about conspiracy theories, you go deeper - and you NEVER get to the bottom

Trump won't reveal Roswell, The Illuminati/NWO, UFO, Fake Moon Landings, Planet X etc etc


BEAUSE HE IS OBVIOULSY IN ON IT

WAKE UP SHEEPLE


We need Gary here. Come on, Gary! Your input is direly needed in this thread, man!
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 08:57 PM
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Rubbish, that would just be an inconvenience just like a DOS attack or a large hack, it would not crash the net. It would be like a mosquito bite on an elephant.

The only way to bring down the Internet is to get rid of all the people. i.e. an E.L.E even then there would be survivors and the net would continue.
I seem to remember a few years ago a config change (I think around advertising routes) on a BGP border router in Pakistan was made and for a while a large % of the worlds internet traffic was routed via Pakistan

maybe then put a couple of default routes to 127.0.0.0
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Yep but not all of it, which is the key point. People would mount the necessary resources to find a way around any attempts like that.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 09:08 PM
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Wasn't the Millenium bug due to crash every computer on 31st December 2000 when the clock struck 12:00 midnight? That could have only happened via the internet relay. It's not that the bug would have multiplied and entered people's homes/office to crash computer screens on individual basis.

Anyway, that never happened, so it was just one big bull scare, wasn't it.

I remember talking to some IT guys in 2000 about it; before 31st Dec. They were just over-complicating it with their IT terms/jargon. No one was saying that it was a bull, which it turned out to be.
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Originally Posted by bioforger
Rubbish, that would just be an inconvenience just like a DOS attack or a large hack, it would not crash the net. It would be like a mosquito bite on an elephant.

The only way to bring down the Internet is to get rid of all the people. i.e. an E.L.E even then there would be survivors and the net would continue.

Really .. you create a virus with at a new level of sophistication it's unlikely, but not impossible.

Think of it like a zombie outbreak .. it would be slow at first, spreading quickly as it hit the main networks, backups would be made with infections, eventually if we were unable to work out how to stop it, it would destroy everything connected.
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I'm still struggling because say someone goes around bombing every damn server on this earth and above, internet as a whole can go off, because although it's not 'the internet', all the different internets are inter-connected by the servers, aren't they?

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as an ignorant, which I am; when it comes to IT.
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No it wasn't bull, it's just that virtually all PC's were already "patched" for the bug. It was more the media hype that made it out to be something that could be disastrous.
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Originally Posted by pimmo2000
Really .. you create a virus with at a new level of sophistication it's unlikely, but not impossible.

Think of it like a zombie outbreak .. it would be slow at first, spreading quickly as it hit the main networks, backups would be made with infections, eventually if we were unable to work out how to stop it, it would destroy everything connected.
Exactly! That's why I'm not too sure if internet is indestructible.
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Really .. you create a virus with at a new level of sophistication it's unlikely, but not impossible.

Think of it like a zombie outbreak .. it would be slow at first, spreading quickly as it hit the main networks, backups would be made with infections, eventually if we were unable to work out how to stop it, it would destroy everything connected.
There would still be the low-Earth communication satellites that allocate a portion of bandwidth to regular IP traffic. These comsats could establish connections between wireless devices or any other terminal that still has access to fiber cables. As an example, this is how the military re-established connections after the 2006 tsunami disaster in Thailand, they set up a satellite connection from one point, sent their signals up into space, and then down to a receiving terminal. Instant network. The "super" virus would have to have infected the sats for your theory to work, extremely unlikely to happen.
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No it wasn't bull, it's just that virtually all PC's were already "patched" for the bug. It was more the media hype that made it out to be something that could be disastrous.
So, did the old computers, which weren't patched, experience an almighty blast, or just stopped working?

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Originally Posted by Turbohot
Wasn't the Millenium bug due to crash every computer on 31st December 2000 when the clock struck 12:00 midnight? That could have only happened via the internet relay. It's not that the bug would have multiplied and entered people's homes/office to crash computer screens on individual basis.

Anyway, that never happened, so it was just one big bull scare, wasn't it.

I remember talking to some IT guys in 2000 about it; before 31st Dec. They were just over-complicating it with their IT terms/jargon. No one was saying that it was a bull, which it turned out to be.
yes it was a total con

a few systems in banks etc

but I had a printer with a 2 digit time/date display - it was marked as non Y2K compliant

as if it would not print on Jan 1st - lol

just a way for consultants to make a fast buck

Warrenm2 - thought the billions the UK and the US spent on it was worth it

says it all really

Italy spent about £30.00
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yes it was a total con

a few systems in banks etc

but I had a printer with a 2 digit time/date display - it was marked as non Y2K compliant

as if it would not print on Jan 1st - lol

just a way for consultants to make a fast buck

Warrenm2 - thought the billions the UK and the US spent on it was worth it

says it all really

Italy spent about £30.00
LOL
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So, did the old computers, which weren't patched, experience an almighty blast, or stopped working?
If they weren't patched, they would experience issues, they wouldn't stop working. The patch for most people went undetected as it was corrected in an update in the operating system they used on their PC and in other software.

Have a read of this if you can be bothered, most of it is accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem
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Originally Posted by bioforger
If they weren't patched, they would experience issues, they wouldn't stop working. The patch for most people went undetected as it was corrected in an update in the operating system they used on their PC and in other software.

Have a read of this if you can be bothered, most of it is accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem
Why do you say if I can be bothered? Of course I'm bothered. If I wasn't, I won't be picking your brains on it. Thanks for the article. I shall give it a read.
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Because its a long read, mostly from a techies point of view and might send you into a coma

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I'm guessing some of the people posting in this thread don't really follow the tech press that closely. It's only just a few years ago that a bunch of saddoes with nothing better to do came very close to making the Internet all but unusable for large parts of the globe, if not completely breaking it.

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Why do you say if I can be bothered? Of course I'm bothered. If I wasn't, I won't be picking your brains on it. Thanks for the article. I shall give it a read.

yes worth a read


it is a good article
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Originally Posted by bioforger
There would still be the low-Earth communication satellites that allocate a portion of bandwidth to regular IP traffic. These comsats could establish connections between wireless devices or any other terminal that still has access to fiber cables. As an example, this is how the military re-established connections after the 2006 tsunami disaster in Thailand, they set up a satellite connection from one point, sent their signals up into space, and then down to a receiving terminal. Instant network. The "super" virus would have to have infected the sats for your theory to work, extremely unlikely to happen.
Who's to say that's not where it starts .. Edward Snowdon
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Because its a long read a mostly from a techies point of view and might send you into a coma
Oh.

I do get the gist, though. What you are saying is that the Millenium bug was not a hoax, most pcs were patched for protection, media hype made it sound like a much bigger world seizing threat than it really was, and of course, unpatched pcs were effected. Understood.

Now, say if we have no warning, and a far worse post-Trump bug gets created by some Aspie whizkid that targets main servers, can't that take the whole thing down, because nothing will be patched beforehand? How can we rule out that it will NEVER happen? I mean, such a bug that it absolutely corrupts the servers, settelites ad well as your pcs- obviously.
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