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Old Dec 8, 2016 | 09:20 PM
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we used to call those cooper rings
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Old Dec 8, 2016 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by banny sti
I believe they are the same as the wire rings I had on my 2.5 heads to help with HG issues

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Old Dec 8, 2016 | 09:32 PM
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we used to call those cooper rings
or wire ringing, from back in the cosworth days!
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by joe v3sti
Crank does look good
If I was putting that in there. We'd be talking gas O ring conversion, det rings, seriously worked heads, dry sump full mashings
What are det rings?

Dry sump from my understanding this requires a pump in the boot?
If yes then I dont want to go down this path with the R205 maybe for an all out track car, but not for this road car.

In terms of heads what do you guys recommend I have heard mixed opinions on which heads to go for as the hatch has Dual avcs, but the MY05 STI/SPEC C heads are bigger and flow better?
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
First thoughts are - "more money than sense...."

V1 heads over bucket shims with a 9k rpm limit will do the trick....

You have no idea what you actually want or need. The best advice is to listen to people that have actually been there and done it. It will save you some very expensive mistakes.

And I hope you are going with porting and polishing, over size valves, double springs, titanium retainers etc. If you are going to have billet crank that has no benefit at your level what so ever then you need to go to town on the rest of it. Budget 3k for the work on the heads alone.
You have already asked this...
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 12:29 AM
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Think you'll struggle to find any Spec C heads that haven't got cracks down the plug holes.

It's a moot point anyway because if you're having them re-worked then you can do what you like, but again it's a whole new thread depending on your end goal.

P.s, you really need to decide on the Full build spec BEFORE you start buying random parts.
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
You have already asked this...
How do you know V1 heads work better than dual avcs Hatch heads?
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 08:29 AM
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Paul finch has stated the exhaust ports on the dual avcs heads are quite narrow and restrictive,on standard 2.5 sti heads single avcs on v power I made 541bhp. Best doing some more research as to how well the dual avcs heads will work with a big power build, as by the sounds of it your better starting with a single avcs head casting and building your head on them
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 09:00 AM
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none of those are "DET" rings - wire ringing the head is to assist the head gasket seal

these however.........

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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by juggers
How do you know V1 heads work better than dual avcs Hatch heads?
v1 heads wont work better.

but you dont listen to advice anyway so what difference does it make?

single avcs heads worked and with all the bells and whistles would be my solution. mo point going for spec c heads if you are doing the cams and porting etc anyway....

Was there somwthing the other day about not using 14mm studs on ej22s?
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by AS Performance
none of those are "DET" rings - wire ringing the head is to assist the head gasket seal

these however.........


There you go!
Usual AS Performance quality!
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 10:16 AM
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have machined and built many blocks and haven't seen or had any issues with 14mm studs

we have come across some pretty bizarre machine work over the years undertaken by A.N.Other.........
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[QUOTE=we have come across some pretty bizarre machine work over the years undertaken by A.N.Other.........[/QUOTE]

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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 10:45 AM
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Can someone explain the benefit of these copper det rings to me please
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 11:01 AM
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You can buy new big port heads if money no object, or can just buy new casings and get your own bits.
Advanced automotive or icp sell iirc.
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 11:27 AM
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In terms of heads what cams would be used that are fine for every day driving I don't want something that is going to idle like a race car!

I think something pre built or new is probably the best solution. How much are new castings?
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 11:33 AM
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Lateral 272 LP-05 cams were absolutely fine in mine, no lumpy idle and smooth to drive.
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 11:51 AM
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Bare casings http://www.advancedautomotives.com/s...-23-1395-p.asp

http://www.importcarparts.co.uk/part...y=&searchPart=

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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 12:28 PM
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New cylinder heads are way over the top for a bloody road car
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 12:45 PM
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Reel it in a bit and keep it sensible would be my advice.

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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 12:55 PM
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What would the total cost be if you bought the new head castings, valves, springs, cams etc. then paid someone to assemble them?
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 300gnspitzer
What would the total cost be if you bought the new head castings, valves, springs, cams etc. then paid someone to assemble them?
2nd hand heads with full valvetrain, porting and vernier pullies will see close to 4k so new add at another 1k on least
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Originally Posted by AS Performance
none of those are "DET" rings - wire ringing the head is to assist the head gasket seal

these however.........

Could someone please explain what these do ?

Approx cost ?
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Originally Posted by SmurfyBhoy
Could someone please explain what these do ?

Approx cost ?
2nd that and is it advised for my build?
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by banny sti
Lateral 272 LP-05 cams were absolutely fine in mine, no lumpy idle and smooth to drive.
Thanks for that Banny I know have some idea of what cams to look at.
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 01:27 PM
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Can hear the idle and smoothness here

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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 01:51 PM
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Do they even do 272 cams for new age heads? Thought it was 276 no?
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs
Do they even do 272 cams for new age heads? Thought it was 276 no?
Shouldnt think bro, I discussed this at length with Mark at Lateral before buying them
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Ah ok, just when I was browsing for avcs ones it only listed 276 and lower was 26 something.
Maybe was brand type.
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 02:37 PM
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Trade secret but lateral cams were based off Jun cams

https://www.nengun.com/jun/high-lift...ft-subaru-ej20
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