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Old 13 June 2018, 11:58 AM
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If you really think JLR decision was anything to do with brexit your a bit of a fool. It's simple economics.
is this a serious post?

you think you can remove yourself from your biggest trading partners - and it not involve economics

jeez


anyway a timely article

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-new...-in-car-safety

"Head of Global NCAP says leaving EU will turn Britain into a rule taker, not a rule maker, for car safety regulation

One of the world’s leading car safety experts has said leaving the EU will render the UK a “second-hand dealer” in vehicle safety and emission standards."
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Old 13 June 2018, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere? View Post
MISRA = Motor Industry Software Reliability Association, although I actually meant to type MIRA (Motor Industry Research Association), although both UK based.

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interestingly MIRA are currently an EU Notified body for CE marking of certain products

http://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-dat...8&version_no=1

they lose that ability post Brexit so they will probably have to move some operations to the EU
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Old 13 June 2018, 01:26 PM
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If the EU expands as it has done in the past and taps in to a cheaper work force by doing so; throw in regional development grants or whatever they are called to attract companies to those regions or countries, then the likes of JLR would move out the UK regardless if we remain in or not. So you could argue that we are paying the EU to encourage companies to move whatever they do (in the UK) to another country in the EU which can do it cheaper.

In other EU news: https://boingboing.net/2018/06/07/thanks-axel-voss.html
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Old 13 June 2018, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^ View Post
If the EU expands as it has done in the past and taps in to a cheaper work force by doing so; throw in regional development grants or whatever they are called to attract companies to those regions or countries, then the likes of JLR would move out the UK regardless if we remain in or not. So you could argue that we are paying the EU to encourage companies to move whatever they do (in the UK) to another country in the EU which can do it cheaper.
If that were the case, then why did none of these companies up sticks the last couple of times the EU expanded.


In reality, any cheap labour gains from new members is relatively short lived as wage growth in new member states is generally extremely high as the local economy balances itself against the rest of the EU. Look at all the Polish who are now returning home as they can often earn the same in Poland now as they can in the UK.


I'm also very sure that the EU won't be expanding any more in the short or medium term.
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Old 13 June 2018, 05:10 PM
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Presumably this is why ford moved to turkey
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Old 13 June 2018, 06:50 PM
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Presumably this is why ford moved to turkey
Ford is also in the US and are still building cars in the UK and Germany.
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Old 14 June 2018, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere? View Post
If that were the case, then why did none of these companies up sticks the last couple of times the EU expanded.


In reality, any cheap labour gains from new members is relatively short lived as wage growth in new member states is generally extremely high as the local economy balances itself against the rest of the EU. Look at all the Polish who are now returning home as they can often earn the same in Poland now as they can in the UK.


I'm also very sure that the EU won't be expanding any more in the short or medium term.
Personally I expect the ROI on a manufacturing plant is in the decades, so I would never expect to see things like car manufacture jump around instantly a new country joins the club. But a quick google search tells me this:

Average monthly wage in UK manufacturing = £2396
Average monthly wage in Slovakia in manufacturing = 1070 Euro's

Other countries are probably the similar, so member of the EU or not, businesses will move to the cheapest option and I can't see the likes of Slovakia having wage parity within ten years. Ryton closed in 2006 and we are still no where near.

The company I work for has offices in other large European countries and where we can, we recruit and outsource to those countries because it is cheaper than hiring the same person in the UK every single time.

So I don't agree that the labour gains are short lived as evidence suggests otherwise.
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Old 14 June 2018, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 View Post
is this a serious post?

you think you can remove yourself from your biggest trading partners - and it not involve economics

jeez


anyway a timely article

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-new...-in-car-safety

"Head of Global NCAP says leaving EU will turn Britain into a rule taker, not a rule maker, for car safety regulation

One of the world’s leading car safety experts has said leaving the EU will render the UK a “second-hand dealer” in vehicle safety and emission standards."
99% of the uk car industry was destroyed waaay before brexit, unless your telling me they knew back then?

they will build them where ever is cheaper, simple as.
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Old 14 June 2018, 02:17 PM
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More doctors and nurses from abroad , bout time

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Old 14 June 2018, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy View Post
99% of the uk car industry was destroyed waaay before brexit, unless your telling me they knew back then?

they will build them where ever is cheaper, simple as.
^^^^ Quote for truth
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Old 17 June 2018, 11:09 PM
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Dividend lol

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...dend-spend-nhs


Still , if Boris says it , it mus be true and the brexiteers will lap it up

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Old 18 June 2018, 08:30 AM
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More wasted opertunities: An extra £384million a week spent on new roads and infrastructure to prepare the country to be more competitive on a global scale would be of far greater long-term benefit to both the public and economy.
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Old 18 June 2018, 08:36 AM
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True, the NHS is a waste of money. Make it direct subscription, then people will respect it and not visit AE with a blister on their little finger
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Old 18 June 2018, 09:07 AM
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Looks like we're getting the new train manufacturing plant anyway:

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...tract-from-tfl

Bugger all to do with Brexit mind.....
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Old 18 June 2018, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by andy97 View Post
True, the NHS is a waste of money. Make it direct subscription, then people will respect it and not visit AE with a blister on their little finger
I think there's a case for charge for small stuff, but in sure you don't really mean the whole thing

One visit to third world country would make you realise how blessed we are
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Old 18 June 2018, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb View Post
I think there's a case for charge for small stuff, but in sure you don't really mean the whole thing

One visit to third world country would make you realise how blessed we are
One visit to a private hospital, makes you realise how sh!te the NHS is.

Private hospital, Wonderfully efficient, MRI scans instantly at the consultants desktop, immediate analysis and recommendations to sort out problem.
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Old 18 June 2018, 11:55 AM
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So , no healthcare if you cant afford it ??
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Old 18 June 2018, 12:11 PM
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So , no healthcare if you cant afford it ??
If your health is a priority and you want the best available. If you prefer to spend your money on something else, so be it.
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Old 18 June 2018, 12:39 PM
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So , save up for that heart attack in fact !

Won't have to wait too long for this kind of treatment once the yanks get their claws in

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So , save up for that heart attack in fact !
If you decide to neglect your health, have a poor diet, drink too much, then you've only yourself to blame.
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Old 18 June 2018, 12:50 PM
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If you decide to neglect your health, have a poor diet, drink too much, then you've only yourself to blame.
So no more treatment for sports injuries, either?
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Andy , as long as you keep funding nhs

Iv no problem with you paying extra to someone to get what Ever you want quicker / better
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So no more treatment for sports injuries, either?
If you're playing sports, your likely to have expenditure to fund health care. Well at least have the foresight to have insurance.
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Old 18 June 2018, 01:17 PM
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If you're playing sports, your likely to have expenditure to fund health care. Well at least have the foresight to have insurance.

Really? All those unemployed playing footy on the estate?
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Really? All those unemployed playing footy on the estate?

fit and healthy, should be working
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Originally Posted by andy97 View Post
If you decide to neglect your health, have a poor diet, drink too much, then you've only yourself to blame.

What a halfwit you are!


People born with hereditary conditions don't have themselves to blame.
People involved in accidents don't have themselves to blame.
People growing old don't have themselves to blame.


So in your right wing world, none of the above would get treatment?



Try engaging your tiny brain before writing the drivel you come out with,
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fit and healthy, should be working
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Old 18 June 2018, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by coupe_20vt View Post
What a ****wit you are!


People born with hereditary conditions don't have themselves to blame.
People involved in accidents don't have themselves to blame.
People growing old don't have themselves to blame.


So in your right wing world, none of the above would get treatment?



Try engaging your tiny brain before writing the drivel you come out with,

Yes, you can't beat the logic of the average Brexiteer
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Originally Posted by coupe_20vt View Post
What a halfwit you are!


People born with hereditary conditions don't have themselves to blame.
People involved in accidents don't have themselves to blame.
People growing old don't have themselves to blame.


So in your right wing world, none of the above would get treatment?



Try engaging your tiny brain before writing the drivel you come out with,
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Originally Posted by coupe_20vt View Post
What a halfwit you are!


People born with hereditary conditions don't have themselves to blame.Dont breed with inferior stock
People involved in accidents don't have themselves to blame. There is a claim
People growing old don't have themselves to blame. Logans run or Switzerland I here is nice


So in your right wing world, none of the above would get treatment?



Try engaging your tiny brain before writing the drivel you come out with,
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