andy97

iTrader: (1)

Its going to be great having access to USA products with lower or zero tariff. They have some great kit, postage is quick.

hodgy0_2

i Have debated online quite few people who think the earth is flat, AGW is a hoax, 911 was a Jewish plot and evolution is a lie


Not every opinion deserves to be taken seriously

neil-h

Except for the Corvette/Camaro... Thing is if there was a market for American cars over here they'd be bringing them over and possibly even making RHD versions. The only company to really do that is ford with the Mustang.

I do however agree on the aftermarket bits side. I've got a GT86 at the moment and there's some lovely bits you can get from the states for them that'd be nice if they were cheaper/easier to bring over.

Tidgy

ah now i get you, you don't want to live in a democracy and have free speech then.

If you ask someone in 1690 issac newton didn't deserve to be taken seriously

AGW?

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

http://www.freecriticalthinking.org/...warming-theory

Tidgy

Ah, wiondered if thats what it was

Dingdongler

So misinformed compared to you? Given the same facts (or lack of) that you had they couldn't analyse them as well as you and so came up with the wrong answer.

So in other words every single person in this country who voted to leave is less intelligent than you.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Sad Weevil

iTrader: (1)

So by your strange logic, anybody who voted remain is less intelligent than you. Glad you've cleared that up.

JackClark

All the clever people voted remain.

JTaylor

Almost all the people whose opinion I've learned to respect over the years voted remain.

lozgti1

Be a shepherd etc lol

hodgy0_2

your link is utter bullsh1t

get some proper science ffs

JTaylor

I think Joz was showing Tidgy what AGW is.

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

lol


(I'm not 'on one side' or the the other BTW).

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

This.

It was the first link I clicked on.

hodgy0_2

fair enough

but the link is simply a description of the term followed by a pathetic denial - and we have had enough ignorance recently to last an eternity

fwiw - this link explains the science behind AGW

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

mrtheedge2u2

Jack, I am starting to worry with the fact I am agreeing with you more and more lol

Petem95

All the financially astute people voted Leave!

I find it interesting that although there are a die-hard bunch of bitter Remain voters who just will not accept not getting their own way, the majority of both Remain and Leave voters do appear to be heading for some common ground.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ng-ecj-paying/

The migration crisis into Europe really does show no sign of abating however and I think this really could cause cracks throughout the EU. It's now mostly sub-saharan Africa migrations, rather than Syrians etc who are making up the bulk.

Presumably the ScoobyNet liberals are all for this, and believe all should be taken in and more ships should be deployed in the Med to assist with getting them into Europe as numbers continue to increase (10's thousands per month) The EU is suing Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic who are refusing to take in migrants, so clearly this is a contentious issue.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7789161.html

BMWhere?

Interesting...

...something doesn't quite add up there! 54/54% support paying and 54/56% support not paying!

That article also doesn't say who conducted the survey, where it was conducted or how it was conducted, it only quotes Buzzfeed as the first to report it! I'm not really convinced by those results!

Personally, I think the EU should have much stricter border controls! Funnily enough, so does the EU, which is why they are currently drafting plans for an EU travel authority scheme called ETIAS, similar to the US ESTA scheme. Anyone travelling from outside the EU will have to pre-apply online for the travel authority which will cost €5 a go - and yes, when we leave the EU, we'll have to apply too - That'll be fun for Alkazar travelling to his French villa! You can read the EU info leaflet about it here!

As for the illegal immigrants, they will have to make an asylum claim once they arrive and the majority of which are not successful and sent home - there have been a number of stories in the German press recently about the number of failed asylum seekers being sent home now outnumbers the new applicants, of course the UK press never really covers stories on failed asylum seekers being returned!

Those who genuinely need asylum, I totally agree we should allow them to stay, its a basic human right. The only problem is the asylum process takes a long time and you have to look after the people until a decision is made, but you can't refuse anyone asylum and you have to take every claim seriously!

Petem95

The problem is how do you prove or disprove claims?! And how do you return someone who has torn up their passport and you don't know which country they're from?! It's an absolute nightmare for authorities, and an absolute dream for 'Human Rights' lawyers.

Things just seem to be continuing to escalate, you've got people storming boarders in Ceuta (Spanish enclave in Morocco), as they know that once they've set foot on that soil they've then got a good chance of claiming asylum.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ng-increasing/

With 10's of millions in African potentially looking to get to Europe I don't see how you can de-escalte this situation without removing the incentive to just "get into Europe by whatever means and you've automatically got a good chance of claiming asylum". IMO that incentive needs to be removed, and potentially claims should be processed offshore, say in centres in Libya (along with substation funding to re-build that country after the usual US-led destruction, but that's another debate).

BMWhere?

I agree its a problem! But what can you do about it? Leaving the EU would seem like a rather drastic solution!

Petem95

I think it's just another example of poor leadership by the EU though. Rather than really tackling the problem they're just looking for who to blame, and taking their usual undemocratic stance. "BTW Poland, Hungary and Czech Rep, you need to take a load of migrants. Oh you don't want to? Well we'll force you to against your will and make threats".

Just because I back to the UK leaving the EU, doesn't mean I want to see Europe go to **** - far from it. I really think this migration crisis could start having serious repercussions though. I believe it was right to offer Syrians assistance, whether this is residency or temporary residency until Syria is back on it's feet, and I think the assumption was this would be a short-term thing (which it was really in the case of Syrians), but now it's like pandoras box has been opened and it's a migration free-for-all, and with staggering debt levels, high unemployment and increasing automation on the horizon the last thing Europe needs is millions of unskilled migrants.

BMWhere?

I found the original Buzzfeed article...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/r...A3l#.bwGQxEEJM

The headline "Huge Study" is a bit of an overstatement. There is a correction note at the bottom which says the original article stated 20,000 people, but actually its only just over 3000, so not massively representative of the whole country IMHO! The Telegraph have so far failed to correct that error.

The article also fails to state how many leave responses vs remain responses were collected, although one assumes a near 50/50 split. Also missing is where the poll was taken as there will be a varying amount of deviation across the country. If its an online or telephone poll from across the country, then 3000 responses is in no way representative.

I'd also question the method off the poll, allowing simple agree/disagree responses to each question even if the responses are conflicting, hence getting results where 54% agree we should pay £10M and 54% agreeing we should pay nothing!

Asking those questions to a remainer in the context that we are leaving and what do you think is the best deal, then the results are hardly surprising, but there is that one big key question that is missing - If we could reverse the Brexit vote, should we now remain? I wonder how many remainers have really changed their minds vs how many Brexiters now want to reamain!

Petem95

Well polls have shown the number who back Leave has gradually increased since the vote, but I guess there is probably an element of Remain voters that over time just accept things and just want to get on with it. If you had a 2nd vote, maybe some of these would vote Remain. In my office most people voted Remain, but over time quite a few have changed their minds, mostly down to the stance the EU have taken "make the UK pay - £100bn brexit bill, not £200bn etc"

The UK government has hardly showered themselves in glory since the vote and doesn't seem to have any idea what they're doing, but despite that the economy has remained strong and major investment is still going ahead (BMW building the new mini being one of the most recent).

The weaker pound will have helped though, and I do see a danger that post-leaving the UK becomes a bit of a safe haven and the currency strengthens significantly and this would be detrimental for exports obviously.

In the EU they're continuing with 60bn per month QE, and this is dangerous ground IMO. ECB is now the most indebted central bank in the world, and at the current rate they're forecast to run out of German Bunds to buy by 2018. In the short term it's stimulating growth slightly, but the Euro is strengthening now against other major currencies and this is the absolute last thing they need. Germany saw a 4.5% fall in exports in June, and they're the driver economy in the Eurozone.

As soon as you remove QE though then bond yields for the Southern economies which are crippled by the Euro will go through the roof - just look at the rates Italy can borrow at for example, that's only because the ECB is buying their debt. As soon as they stop rates would skyrocket as they'd have to offer much higher returns on the open market and they would run a very real risk of defaulting.

I hoped the UK leaving would make the EU change their tune a bit for the sake of the remaining members, but unfortunately it doesn't look like being the case.

dpb

http://www.poundsterlingforecast.com/


Were doing so damn well we just don't know it

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

I think my favorite thing since everyone voted for brexit is that most food prices have rose or shrunk 25%

dpb

prices have risen and portions have shrunk ?

Petem95

I could try to explain how a weaker currency boosts exports and helps create some inflation, but I won't try! I don't think you look much beyond "price of a fookin Stella up 20 cents in Benidorm, fookin brexit"

Would all be perfect in Remain land would it? Streets paved with gold, national debt cleared, 100% employment?

BMWhere?

I thought that's what the £350M a week was going to do in Brexit land!

Yes a weaker currency boost exports, but most of our exports are services. The problem is we import more than we export and our imports are increasing and pushing inflation up. Business may benefit marginally from increased exports, but the consumer will suffer from higher import prices, particularly if wage growth doesn't match the inflation which it currently doesn't. Generally speaking a short term weakness in the currency can stimulate a flagging economy, but our economy was not flagging and the poor exchange rate is set to be more medium to long term. Essentially, the weak pound is currently delaying the pending crash as public spending is taking a nose dive due to the higher real world living costs! Tick, Tock!

Petem95

If you take this sort of angle however, pretty much all Western economies are on a pretty unsustainable path due to massive government and consumer debt levels, it's only going to carry on so long. Since the early 80's organic economic growth has been increasingly substituted with debt fuelled growth.

Looking at the UK you could argue inflation will erode consumer spending (which is true if wages don't keep pace, although indications are that wage growth is picking up), but inflation is also a driver of consumer and spending as people buy items before the price goes up (hence why central banks try so hard to generate some). If you get stuck with deflation then spending can fall sharply as people delay big ticket purchases as the prices just keep going down (i.e. Japan).

Presumably you think all is rosy in the Eurozone with continued QE, highest debt levels of any central bank in the world, continued high unemployment and now a strengthening currency to boot - this is the absolute last thing Draghi needs!