So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
25 April 2018, 09:20 AM
#2581
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Latest statement I can find:
Certificates issued before the withdrawal date by the competent authorities of the United Kingdom on the basis of the provisions of the Basic Regulation and its implementing rules will no longer be valid as of the withdrawal date in the EU. This concerns in particular:
Certificates of airworthiness, restricted certificates of airworthiness, permits to fly, approvals of organisations responsible for the maintenance of products, parts and appliances, approvals for organisations responsible for the manufacture of products, parts and appliances, approvals for maintenance training organisations, and certificates for personnel responsible for the release of a product, part or appliance after maintenance, issued pursuant to Article 5 of the Basic Regulation;
Pilot licences, pilot medical certificates, certificates for pilot training organisations, certificates for aero-medical centres, certificates for flight simulation training devices, certificates for persons responsible for providing flight training, flight simulation training or assessing pilots' skill, and certificates for aero medical examiners, issued pursuant to Article 7 of the Basic Regulation;
Certificates for air operators and attestations for the cabin crew, issued pursuant to Article 8 of the Basic Regulation;
Certificates for aerodromes, certificates for ATM/ANS providers, licences and medical certificates for air traffic controllers, certificates for air traffic controller training organisations, certificates for aero medical centres and aero medical examiners responsible for air traffic controllers, certificates for persons
etc
So after reading that, unless an agreement is reached, UK airspace will become inaccessible and that includes overflights. Can't see that being able to happen, too much money at stake for all parties.
Certificates issued before the withdrawal date by the competent authorities of the United Kingdom on the basis of the provisions of the Basic Regulation and its implementing rules will no longer be valid as of the withdrawal date in the EU. This concerns in particular:
Certificates of airworthiness, restricted certificates of airworthiness, permits to fly, approvals of organisations responsible for the maintenance of products, parts and appliances, approvals for organisations responsible for the manufacture of products, parts and appliances, approvals for maintenance training organisations, and certificates for personnel responsible for the release of a product, part or appliance after maintenance, issued pursuant to Article 5 of the Basic Regulation;
Pilot licences, pilot medical certificates, certificates for pilot training organisations, certificates for aero-medical centres, certificates for flight simulation training devices, certificates for persons responsible for providing flight training, flight simulation training or assessing pilots' skill, and certificates for aero medical examiners, issued pursuant to Article 7 of the Basic Regulation;
Certificates for air operators and attestations for the cabin crew, issued pursuant to Article 8 of the Basic Regulation;
Certificates for aerodromes, certificates for ATM/ANS providers, licences and medical certificates for air traffic controllers, certificates for air traffic controller training organisations, certificates for aero medical centres and aero medical examiners responsible for air traffic controllers, certificates for persons
etc
So after reading that, unless an agreement is reached, UK airspace will become inaccessible and that includes overflights. Can't see that being able to happen, too much money at stake for all parties.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN1HU2D9
"Rolls, one of the biggest names in British manufacturing, said in a statement it was working to ensure there was no interruption in its services to customers due to Britain’s departure from the European Union.
Aircraft safety and the design approvals process are among the issues that Britain and the EU have yet to settle in their divorce talks. Britain is due to formally leave the bloc in March next year.
“As you would expect, we have to consider what contingency measures we may need to take to ensure our operations in the UK and elsewhere can continue, and these may in the future include the transfer of the design approval for our large jet engines from the UK to Germany,” a spokesperson said."
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25 April 2018, 02:26 PM
#2583
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but it looks like we will need to pay 7e and fill out a "European travel information and authorisation system" (ETIAS) every time we travel to the EU
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pr...an-parliament/
"ETIAS will allow for advance checks and, if necessary, deny travel authorisation to visa-exempt third-country nationals travelling to the Schengen area. It will help improve internal security, prevent illegal immigration, protect public health and reduce delays at the borders by identifying persons who may pose a risk in one of these areas before they arrive at the external borders."
so a bit like the US system - I wonder if they will refuse entry to people with a criminal record - interesting times ahead that's for sure
EDIT - not every time as it is valid for 3 years or until the end of the passport whichever is sooner
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25 April 2018, 03:25 PM
#2584
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Rolls Royce thinking of moving certification of engines to the EU, they say no job loses - but in reality shows the direction of travel for business investment in our major industries like Aerospace, Automotive Parma etc, they all face the same challenges as the EU's "Notice to Stakeholders" highlight
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN1HU2D9
"Rolls, one of the biggest names in British manufacturing, said in a statement it was working to ensure there was no interruption in its services to customers due to Britain’s departure from the European Union.
Aircraft safety and the design approvals process are among the issues that Britain and the EU have yet to settle in their divorce talks. Britain is due to formally leave the bloc in March next year.
“As you would expect, we have to consider what contingency measures we may need to take to ensure our operations in the UK and elsewhere can continue, and these may in the future include the transfer of the design approval for our large jet engines from the UK to Germany,” a spokesperson said."
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN1HU2D9
"Rolls, one of the biggest names in British manufacturing, said in a statement it was working to ensure there was no interruption in its services to customers due to Britain’s departure from the European Union.
Aircraft safety and the design approvals process are among the issues that Britain and the EU have yet to settle in their divorce talks. Britain is due to formally leave the bloc in March next year.
“As you would expect, we have to consider what contingency measures we may need to take to ensure our operations in the UK and elsewhere can continue, and these may in the future include the transfer of the design approval for our large jet engines from the UK to Germany,” a spokesperson said."
I suspect there will be more and more of these news stories over the coming few months as long as there is no clear strategy from the UK about the customs union!
27 April 2018, 12:24 AM
#2585
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The problem is, none of this might be necessary given the end deal, but businesses need to make contingency plans and with the deadline nearing and still no certainty about anything, businesses can no longer afford to wait - they can either take a gable and hope everything will be ok, or enact their backup plans and start shifting to the EU!
I suspect there will be more and more of these news stories over the coming few months as long as there is no clear strategy from the UK about the customs union!
I suspect there will be more and more of these news stories over the coming few months as long as there is no clear strategy from the UK about the customs union!
whatever the ultimate result this is a clvster****
in other news
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Common...B-1A733D083CE5
Mr Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield) (Con
"Why is it that pharmaceutically related businesses in my constituency tell me that they will be going if there is not frictionless trade with the European Union, which implies participation in the customs union? Why is it that the deputy ambassador of Japan has us all in and says, “You do realise that every Japanese company will be gone in 10 years’ time if they cannot have frictionless trade into the European Union.”
27 April 2018, 12:30 AM
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also the CU (Tariffs) is/are an irrelevance in the grand scheme of things - CU/Tariffs were an irrelevance in the ref campaign when the Brexit loonies AKA Minford et al kept banging on about them and an irrelevance now
NTB's are the biggest impediment to trade in the 21st century - and they are dealt with by the SM not by the CU
NTB's are the biggest impediment to trade in the 21st century - and they are dealt with by the SM not by the CU
27 April 2018, 07:04 AM
#2587
The UK has voted to leave the EU that means leaving all bodies CU SM.
Like a cancer patient the tumor of the EU has been removed and a period of recuperating will be needed. After the UK will feel fantastic and have a new lease of life.
If the patient dies, feel free to come and gloat at the graveside
Like a cancer patient the tumor of the EU has been removed and a period of recuperating will be needed. After the UK will feel fantastic and have a new lease of life.
If the patient dies, feel free to come and gloat at the graveside
27 April 2018, 01:24 PM
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So now eu and other foreign johnnies are not bothering turn to / being denied visas
the question is how , much the same as picking cabbages , are we going to force uk workers into the 40000 vacant nursing places
are brexiters wiling to stump up more cash as inducement
economy doing great , probably all that faffing about not implementing wto straight away lol
the question is how , much the same as picking cabbages , are we going to force uk workers into the 40000 vacant nursing places
are brexiters wiling to stump up more cash as inducement
economy doing great , probably all that faffing about not implementing wto straight away lol
27 April 2018, 02:22 PM
#2591
So now eu and other foreign johnnies are not bothering turn to / being denied visas
the question is how , much the same as picking cabbages , are we going to force uk workers into the 40000 vacant nursing places
are brexiters wiling to stump up more cash as inducement
economy doing great , probably all that faffing about not implementing wto straight away lol
the question is how , much the same as picking cabbages , are we going to force uk workers into the 40000 vacant nursing places
are brexiters wiling to stump up more cash as inducement
economy doing great , probably all that faffing about not implementing wto straight away lol
Excellent, controlling immigration, as it should of been all along. Create vacancies for local population, discouraging benefits and encourage employment
27 April 2018, 02:55 PM
#2592
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Dpb Said how do we force our locals to cover the 40000 nursing places.
Booming Germany does not have enough trained hospital staff either.
Mum is now in hospital , 40km from our home while unbelievably last Sunday 10 hospitals in Frankfurt couldn't take here "no beds".
We have her in a hospital where 50% of the staff not German nationals,
I don't expect that all should be German, I'm not either, but I would like to be understood and get an answer in the local language.
IF we pay our home grown staff enough, we "might" get a bit further but basically we need to stop treating other nationalities as a "cheap" Labour sources, and thereby degrading the value of care given to the patient.
The staff coming from other countries will also be missed at home.
So morally I'm against us employing them anyway.
27 April 2018, 03:21 PM
#2593
We had unemployment before unregulated movement, we will still have a large amount of it if we cease to allow immigration.
Should we have control? Possibly, but large amounts of immigrants are good for the economy.
27 April 2018, 03:24 PM
#2594
The EUs basic system is flawed, free movement, whilst having a huge difference in standard of living from one country to the next. All it does is destroy the economy of the poorest with the youth leaving their homeland for riches in the wealthy countries. These countries will become financially dependent upon the richer compounding the problem, older population costing more to keep and ever reducing youth population.
27 April 2018, 11:03 PM
#2598
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what the fvck has that got to do with the EU and FOM
just read the fvcking EU directive
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...77:0123:en:PDF
FOM was based on the principle of people working and paying tax (as the vast majority do) and not claiming benefits etc
that is how it is applied in the rest of the EU, I,e, no job and you get removed after 3 months
you brexidiots are like dogs howling at the moon
just read the fvcking EU directive
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...77:0123:en:PDF
FOM was based on the principle of people working and paying tax (as the vast majority do) and not claiming benefits etc
that is how it is applied in the rest of the EU, I,e, no job and you get removed after 3 months
you brexidiots are like dogs howling at the moon
28 April 2018, 06:58 AM
#2599
what the fvck has that got to do with the EU and FOM
just read the fvcking EU directive
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...77:0123:en:PDF
FOM was based on the principle of people working and paying tax (as the vast majority do) and not claiming benefits etc
that is how it is applied in the rest of the EU, I,e, no job and you get removed after 3 months
you brexidiots are like dogs howling at the moon
just read the fvcking EU directive
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...77:0123:en:PDF
FOM was based on the principle of people working and paying tax (as the vast majority do) and not claiming benefits etc
that is how it is applied in the rest of the EU, I,e, no job and you get removed after 3 months
you brexidiots are like dogs howling at the moon
Calm down tiger!
We wouldn't want you to have a coronary, well not at least till we've trained up some nice English nurse to care for you
28 April 2018, 07:45 AM
#2600
Sauce? HP or Daddies? Oh, alright then: http://www.politico.eu/article/docto...mmission-data/
Has the UK has caused skill shortages in other countries? Is the above a fair representation of our healthcare sector?
28 April 2018, 01:21 PM
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29 April 2018, 02:15 AM
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What a bloody farce , even inside cabinet there's big dissagreement.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.i...101.html%3famp
Best call whole thing off
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.i...101.html%3famp
Best call whole thing off
29 April 2018, 11:53 AM
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