So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
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All good on principal but the actuality of it all is not brilliant to say the least:
If that warranty is provided by the dealership network instead after the second/third year, see the small print on Kia and Hyundai's 5 and 7 year warranties. See how you get when you make a claim.
Also have you ever used VAG's Erwin? Or BMW's online servicing registration...Or Subarus, or Mercedes? Allowed Independant data/diagnostics access (chargeable) and the same access level a franchise can obtain are two very different things, often to the point it's not even worth bothering with.
Unless you have personal experience on this matter contrary to my own....
If that warranty is provided by the dealership network instead after the second/third year, see the small print on Kia and Hyundai's 5 and 7 year warranties. See how you get when you make a claim.
Also have you ever used VAG's Erwin? Or BMW's online servicing registration...Or Subarus, or Mercedes? Allowed Independant data/diagnostics access (chargeable) and the same access level a franchise can obtain are two very different things, often to the point it's not even worth bothering with.
Unless you have personal experience on this matter contrary to my own....
Sorry I don't understand this?
So if I need to get my nice shiny new car serviced I may need to drive it to the main dealers 20 miles away and pay £80 per hour instead of dropping it off at my competent local garage and pay £40 per hour?
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Originally Posted by dpb
Will roaming charges still be going in June ?
"Charges inside the EU will be scrapped from June 2017 - at least while we're still in the EU"
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Bu...hIEgOVEA_0:446
But today's Budget 20% VAT slapped on EU roaming will surely all but nullify the savings? So back to square one. Typical!
But if the EU scraps roaming charges in their entirety, then the new VAT will be ineffective - ergo: 0 x 20% = 0!
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My point is this EU rule/regulation is not being followed in the manner that it was intended. So yes this is legislation that helps the consumer, but its not being adhered to in the spirit it was intended. And when it's taken up in court it takes years upon years to get heard and resolved.
Other manufactuers have also attempted underhanded means to protect their dealer networks; For example digital service history. If the Independant garage hasn't registered (or paid the subscription) to entitle them to register that your car is serviced, then as far as the manufacturer is concerned its not been serviced to their requirements; Mercedes's online service record system as an example automatically generates the schedule and required parts and fluids; This forms documented proof that the correct schedule is followed (and any Mercedes owner knows there is no set schedule for a A, B, C, D service as that just denotes the hours required; the actual service items are numeric from 1 to 20 and hidden from the driver). This is now becoming widespread; Mazda, Subaru, BMW, Mini, to name a few employ this online service logging system, all different and all needed various hoops to jump through to either gain access or register a car's maintanence.
Another nifty ploy is all inclusive free service and free maintenance packages sold with many new cars. These are engineered into the purchase price of the car, so whilst yeah you can go elsewhere but you've already paid for it!
Then there is the open access of technical data...I so wish it was just that...
Land Rover on some Range Rovers have decided not to even publish the recommended grades/specification for fluids; including engine oil. How can you correctly service a car to the manufacturer's specification if they do not publish what oil it requires? Naughty, it is against block exemption regs, but who is going to take them to court? Not me...don't have the time or the money for the legal fees!
As for access to more technical documentation, that may incur ongoing subscription costs (increasing overheads) and access via a online portal that differs from the ones dealership have and also appears to be either restricted or so slow that it's actually a hinderance instead of a resource. Instead its better to subscribe to a third party automotive data provider (such as Autodata) which then gives multi-brand coverage, however thats a few grand a month in subscription costs...an unfortunate mandatory requirement if one is to service vehicles to the manufacturers specifications.
So yeah on paper block exemption is fine, however in reality though it's not been the great success for Independant vehicle repairers whose overheads are constantly increasing in order to make sure they maintain and repair vehicles to manufactuers requirements. Soon that £40 labour rate will be £80 as well!
Originally Posted by Warranty Direct study on Independant vs Main dealer labour rates 2006 to 2014
The price gap between franchised and non-franchised was also evaluated. In this year’s study, the average main dealer hourly rate (£92.11) was 44.9% more than the average non-franchised rate (£63.56).
In 2006, franchised premises were 83% dearer than non-franchised, meaning that the price gap between main dealers and independent garages has closed up by almost 40% over eight years. This is largely due to an increase in the average rate at independent premises, up from £49.61 in 2006 to £63.56 an hour to 2014, whilst main dealers have remained more steady, increasing from £91.07 to £92.11 over the same period.
Price difference between non-franchised & franchised (2006-2014)
2006 +83.57%
2007 +78.91%
2008 +70.23%
2009 +60.71%
2010 +62.06%
2011 +57.93%
2012 +48.56%
2013 +44.22%
2014 +44.9%
In 2006, franchised premises were 83% dearer than non-franchised, meaning that the price gap between main dealers and independent garages has closed up by almost 40% over eight years. This is largely due to an increase in the average rate at independent premises, up from £49.61 in 2006 to £63.56 an hour to 2014, whilst main dealers have remained more steady, increasing from £91.07 to £92.11 over the same period.
Price difference between non-franchised & franchised (2006-2014)
2006 +83.57%
2007 +78.91%
2008 +70.23%
2009 +60.71%
2010 +62.06%
2011 +57.93%
2012 +48.56%
2013 +44.22%
2014 +44.9%
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My point is this EU rule/regulation is not being followed in the manner that it was intended. So yes this is legislation that helps the consumer, but its not being adhered to in the spirit it was intended. And when it's taken up in court it takes years upon years to get heard and resolved.
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The earth will stop rotating and we'll have to use newspapers to wipe our a$$es.
Seriously, that's what some Greek media was scaring people off when they wanted to come out of the €.
Some people are paid wayy too much and all they care is their pockets, not their own country. Sad.
Look at Switzerland, not part of the EU but still part of the single market. OK not something it happened overnight and most of the world's money is in their banks but with clever politicians UK could use it to its advantage.
It's funny that a lot of people are pro Brexit yet they keep buying brand new German cars.
Seriously, that's what some Greek media was scaring people off when they wanted to come out of the €.
Some people are paid wayy too much and all they care is their pockets, not their own country. Sad.
Look at Switzerland, not part of the EU but still part of the single market. OK not something it happened overnight and most of the world's money is in their banks but with clever politicians UK could use it to its advantage.
It's funny that a lot of people are pro Brexit yet they keep buying brand new German cars.
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MG Rover Mini anyone. which were and still are good cars... only now the Germans make them and sell them back to us in there hundreds of thousands.
Lets face it... Britons are only great at being STUPID enough to screw themselves... over and over again... the rich can always rely on the lower working classes to do the dirty work... then get the **** end of the stick without having a clue what's happening... beggers belief.
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Let them go, will save the rest of us a fortune and when they come begging cap in hand to rejoin because the EU wont let them in we can have one to see if we want them back or not and take them back under better terms for the rest of us tax payers.
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..if they can find a doctor/ appointment back here maybe
Cuz they'll all be shipping back to Europe with the uncertainty
( All part the plan I guess)
Cuz they'll all be shipping back to Europe with the uncertainty
( All part the plan I guess)
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The bigger issue is for the retired Brits who may not be able to afford to remain abroad. With no state health care entitlement, they will need mandatory private health insurance which their UK pensions are unlikely to streach to!
Depending on the deal that we get, they may also be required to prove they have sufficient savings to support themselves before they are granted permanent or even temporary residence!
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Yep that's why I juast made sure I have my permanent residency sorted... it's not as complicated as the dramatic headlines would have you believe...
Once you have permanent residency here in Croatia you have the same rights and entitlements as a Croatian... the only things I can't do is become a Policeman, soldier or vote... none of which I have any intention of doing.
The health care system provides basic care but if you want to be "fully covered" ie for long term hospital care you pay an extra £10 per month, otherwise as a Croatian you will get a bill for any stays in hospital (there are exceptions but I don't know what they are) also as a UK citizen I only have to show my passport or Croatian ID card and I get it free because of pre-existing arrangements between BOTH governments, which were in place prior to Croatia joining the EU... I suspect if you look into it, it's probably the case in other countries too.
Once you have permanent residency here in Croatia you have the same rights and entitlements as a Croatian... the only things I can't do is become a Policeman, soldier or vote... none of which I have any intention of doing.
The health care system provides basic care but if you want to be "fully covered" ie for long term hospital care you pay an extra £10 per month, otherwise as a Croatian you will get a bill for any stays in hospital (there are exceptions but I don't know what they are) also as a UK citizen I only have to show my passport or Croatian ID card and I get it free because of pre-existing arrangements between BOTH governments, which were in place prior to Croatia joining the EU... I suspect if you look into it, it's probably the case in other countries too.
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I'm sure you won't be the last. Though the final number could be interesting to see.
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Do either of you know what would happen with that?
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I'm in the same situation with Croatia, but I'm put off doing it because I'm not sure what would happen to my state pension... which isn't much in the UK but out here I could live quite comfortably on it... I've worked for it, so I bloody well want it... if I make it that far that is.
Do either of you know what would happen with that?
Do either of you know what would happen with that?
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I was thinking about that this morning but haven't researched it! At a guess it may depend on if you have dual nationality or have to give up your British Citizenship. UK pension is a pittance compared to what I would get in Germany, so I doubt it would influence my decision anyway!
It's £119.30 per week at the minute, so £516 a month, presumably it will be more by the time i'm eligible in 17yrs don't just want to give that up, don't see why I should, I've paid in so I want it back.
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