David Lock

Sorry I don't understand this?


So if I need to get my nice shiny new car serviced I may need to drive it to the main dealers 20 miles away and pay £80 per hour instead of dropping it off at my competent local garage and pay £40 per hour?


David

joz8968

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"Charges inside the EU will be scrapped from June 2017 - at least while we're still in the EU"

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Bu...hIEgOVEA_0:446


But today's Budget 20% VAT slapped on EU roaming will surely all but nullify the savings? So back to square one. Typical!

But if the EU scraps roaming charges in their entirety, then the new VAT will be ineffective - ergo: 0 x 20% = 0!

dpb

have drown sorrows in the local boozer

for another year and then its weatherspoons fro the rest of eternity

ALi-B

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You can take it where you like but, in the instance of Kia who have invalidated their seven year warranty on customer's vehicles for doing just that, because the extended warranty (third year onwards IIRC) is with the dealer not the manufacturer. There was a court case in Sweden last year which eventually did find in favour of the consumer, but its taken six years to be concluded and it's still yet to be enforced in the UK.

My point is this EU rule/regulation is not being followed in the manner that it was intended. So yes this is legislation that helps the consumer, but its not being adhered to in the spirit it was intended. And when it's taken up in court it takes years upon years to get heard and resolved.

Other manufactuers have also attempted underhanded means to protect their dealer networks; For example digital service history. If the Independant garage hasn't registered (or paid the subscription) to entitle them to register that your car is serviced, then as far as the manufacturer is concerned its not been serviced to their requirements; Mercedes's online service record system as an example automatically generates the schedule and required parts and fluids; This forms documented proof that the correct schedule is followed (and any Mercedes owner knows there is no set schedule for a A, B, C, D service as that just denotes the hours required; the actual service items are numeric from 1 to 20 and hidden from the driver). This is now becoming widespread; Mazda, Subaru, BMW, Mini, to name a few employ this online service logging system, all different and all needed various hoops to jump through to either gain access or register a car's maintanence.

Another nifty ploy is all inclusive free service and free maintenance packages sold with many new cars. These are engineered into the purchase price of the car, so whilst yeah you can go elsewhere but you've already paid for it!

Then there is the open access of technical data...I so wish it was just that...

Land Rover on some Range Rovers have decided not to even publish the recommended grades/specification for fluids; including engine oil. How can you correctly service a car to the manufacturer's specification if they do not publish what oil it requires? Naughty, it is against block exemption regs, but who is going to take them to court? Not me...don't have the time or the money for the legal fees!

As for access to more technical documentation, that may incur ongoing subscription costs (increasing overheads) and access via a online portal that differs from the ones dealership have and also appears to be either restricted or so slow that it's actually a hinderance instead of a resource. Instead its better to subscribe to a third party automotive data provider (such as Autodata) which then gives multi-brand coverage, however thats a few grand a month in subscription costs...an unfortunate mandatory requirement if one is to service vehicles to the manufacturers specifications.

So yeah on paper block exemption is fine, however in reality though it's not been the great success for Independant vehicle repairers whose overheads are constantly increasing in order to make sure they maintain and repair vehicles to manufactuers requirements. Soon that £40 labour rate will be £80 as well!

dpb

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...371.html%3Famp

Id say more like 75 years from experience

neil-h

It's what the Brexit lot wanted

Paben

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dpb

Well I doubt they'll be up and out there picking cabbages / applying pret a manger

BMWhere?

Yes!

But, they'll probably be coming back once we leave the EU in 2 years or so!

hodgy0_2

Voltaire "The perfect is the enemy of the good"

dpb

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7622726.html


Don't cancel the direct debit

fpan

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The earth will stop rotating and we'll have to use newspapers to wipe our a$$es.

Seriously, that's what some Greek media was scaring people off when they wanted to come out of the €.

Some people are paid wayy too much and all they care is their pockets, not their own country. Sad.

Look at Switzerland, not part of the EU but still part of the single market. OK not something it happened overnight and most of the world's money is in their banks but with clever politicians UK could use it to its advantage.

It's funny that a lot of people are pro Brexit yet they keep buying brand new German cars.

dpb

How's the Swiss economy doing ?!

ditchmyster

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Yep and when the UK did make cars it's the Brexit bunch that made them and STILL wouldn't be seen dead in them...

MG Rover Mini anyone. which were and still are good cars... only now the Germans make them and sell them back to us in there hundreds of thousands.

Lets face it... Britons are only great at being STUPID enough to screw themselves... over and over again... the rich can always rely on the lower working classes to do the dirty work... then get the **** end of the stick without having a clue what's happening... beggers belief.

JackClark

So Scotland get a second referendum but we don't. Seems fair.

Tidgy

Let them go, will save the rest of us a fortune and when they come begging cap in hand to rejoin because the EU wont let them in we can have one to see if we want them back or not and take them back under better terms for the rest of us tax payers.

dpb

So keep eu here /brits abroad in suspense for next couple years ..

JackClark

I wonder if it will be cheaper for the brits abroad to fly back here for medical treatment?

dpb

..if they can find a doctor/ appointment back here maybe


Cuz they'll all be shipping back to Europe with the uncertainty

( All part the plan I guess)

BMWhere?

People who are working abroad will be contributing to the system and almost certainly be entitled to healthcare and benefits.

The bigger issue is for the retired Brits who may not be able to afford to remain abroad. With no state health care entitlement, they will need mandatory private health insurance which their UK pensions are unlikely to streach to!

Depending on the deal that we get, they may also be required to prove they have sufficient savings to support themselves before they are granted permanent or even temporary residence!

ditchmyster

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Yep that's why I juast made sure I have my permanent residency sorted... it's not as complicated as the dramatic headlines would have you believe...

Once you have permanent residency here in Croatia you have the same rights and entitlements as a Croatian... the only things I can't do is become a Policeman, soldier or vote... none of which I have any intention of doing.

The health care system provides basic care but if you want to be "fully covered" ie for long term hospital care you pay an extra £10 per month, otherwise as a Croatian you will get a bill for any stays in hospital (there are exceptions but I don't know what they are) also as a UK citizen I only have to show my passport or Croatian ID card and I get it free because of pre-existing arrangements between BOTH governments, which were in place prior to Croatia joining the EU... I suspect if you look into it, it's probably the case in other countries too.

mrtheedge2u2

It is with regret (not much, mind you) that once May triggers Brexit I will be on road to handing in my British nationality and taking Dutch.

neil-h

Why would you? I used to work with a bloke who ended up flying out to the Czech Republic for a knee operation and he reckoned the overall service was far better than he got through the NHS (available to book a date that suited him, far shorter waiting times, better food/accomodation etc).

I'm sure you won't be the last. Though the final number could be interesting to see.

dpb

I think between docs an dentist here , there's roughly 3 out of 12ish brits at any one time

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BMWhere?

I'm coming to the same conclusion on becoming German!

ditchmyster

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I'm in the same situation with Croatia, but I'm put off doing it because I'm not sure what would happen to my state pension... which isn't much in the UK but out here I could live quite comfortably on it... I've worked for it, so I bloody well want it... if I make it that far that is.

Do either of you know what would happen with that?

BMWhere?

I was thinking about that this morning but haven't researched it! At a guess it may depend on if you have dual nationality or have to give up your British Citizenship. UK pension is a pittance compared to what I would get in Germany, so I doubt it would influence my decision anyway!

scoobyboy1

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Ive got no choice, im half a german

The Trooper 1815

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Bye Bye then and look out for the Dutch leaving the EU in the future.

ditchmyster

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Depending on where you look it say's I'm entitled, but the legislation that gives me my entitlement and guarantees it is EU legislation... so it's anyones guess at the moment.

It's £119.30 per week at the minute, so £516 a month, presumably it will be more by the time i'm eligible in 17yrs don't just want to give that up, don't see why I should, I've paid in so I want it back.