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There's hardly any Cod in British waters, thats why the British fleet used to steal it from Icelandic waters! So we'll still need to import Cod, but now we'll have to import more because our fleet can no longer catch it in other countries waters!
Wrong plenty of cod in British waters and always has been. The fleet used to and to some degree still do go to the most lucrative waters as you would obviously. This is why the EU fleet want access to our waters. The fact that the British fleet have no quota in its own territorial waters is another discussion.
You Sir are a joke if I remember correctly it was 1k for every year worked up to a max of 20 years. Most of the old school were dead and got f'all. I never heard a thing about it and should be entitled to 2k.
As for your next comment well if you could go 100 yards down the road and fill petrol but you had to do it with a syringe or you could drive 5 miles up the road and someone filled it for you which would you do.
As more and more information about this deal is revealed, it's clear that it's a load of rubbish, leaves us in a much worse position than we were in, the only saving grace is that it's not WTO
We haven't even really taken back control, we are still bound by many rules and regulations of the EU, with no say in their direction, no veto, we are restricted in how much we can help our industries, how we trade, we have more travel restrictions, our professional accreditations are not recognised in the EU, loss of Erasmus, the list goes on.
As more and more information about this deal is revealed, it's clear that it's a load of rubbish, leaves us in a much worse position than we were in, the only saving grace is that it's not WTO
We haven't even really taken back control, we are still bound by many rules and regulations of the EU, with no say in their direction, no veto, we are restricted in how much we can help our industries, how we trade, we have more travel restrictions, our professional accreditations are not recognised in the EU, loss of Erasmus, the list goes on.
Still, blue passports!
Yep. and the only people who will be surprised by any of that are the die-hard Leavers.
But you sai there was plenty fish in our waters , and always had been
We nowadays are not allowed to catch it due EU quotas. Back in the day there was far easier caught fish elsewhere due to the nature of the ground that the gear was towed on to catch the COD as you keep insisting to use as an example. Look into the feeding habits of COD and the areas they like to feed then report back. Bear in mind that a set of gear (Doors, warps, sweeps, nets. floats and numerous other consumables) for a medium sized vessel can cost upwards of 30k +++ and the whole lot can be lost in seconds due to poor grounds.
Wrong plenty of cod in British waters and always has been. The fleet used to and to some degree still do go to the most lucrative waters as you would obviously. This is why the EU fleet want access to our waters. The fact that the British fleet have no quota in its own territorial waters is another discussion.
UK Waters have been overfished for decades even before the common fisheries policy. The reality that nobody wants to admit to, is cod fishing in UK waters is not sustainable. That is the whole point of the EU quota system, to ensure that any catch is sustainable. Without the CFP, the UK fishing idustry would have run aground years ago. Now with the loss of access for the UK fleet in other EU countries waters, the chances are that Brexit will end up being the last nail in the coffin for UK fisheries. Sure there may be a short term boom if the UK removes quaotas, but the subsequent overfishing will decimate the stocks and kill the industry!
Read post 6174 again and it sort of explains the situation. The quota system is a farce and cod are migratory fish and don't always come back to the same place. The boats now by law have GPS trackers on them and are watched by the fisheries protection vessels. There are different areas with different quotas and if you are not in your area and have quota for that area your looking at jail and or a fine. Don't listen or take any notice of 99% of what see or hear the whole thing as said is a farce. If you are in any of the attached areas below and shouldn't be by mistake or not and you have no quota for the said area you are in serious trouble and or have to throw dead fish back.
The quota system as a whole is a good thing and helps balance the support of the fishing industry against the need for sustainability for each EU member. The real problem is the UK's implementation of the quota system, turning it into a commodity open to the highest bidder wherever in the world there from rather than using a system that supports domestic fleets as other EU members have done.
In future, the UK fleet will be restricted to UK or international waters. I suspect the UK will maintain a quota system to protect stocks and it will continue to be commoditised, so very little is likely to improve for UK fishers only they will be even more restricted in where they can fish and what they can catch.
I get that the system isn't great for UK fisheries, but I just don't see how Brexit is going to change anything for the better. Both in terms of the fisheries or sustainability. Unless they address the UK implementation of the quota system, nothing can improve!
From: Api 500+bhp MD321T @91dB Probably SN's longest owner of an Impreza Turbo
Originally Posted by BMWhere?
The quota system as a whole is a good thing and helps balance the support of the fishing industry against the need for sustainability for each EU member. The real problem is the UK's implementation of the quota system, turning it into a commodity open to the highest bidder wherever in the world there from rather than using a system that supports domestic fleets as other EU members have done.
In future, the UK fleet will be restricted to UK or international waters. I suspect the UK will maintain a quota system to protect stocks and it will continue to be commoditised, so very little is likely to improve for UK fishers only they will be even more restricted in where they can fish and what they can catch.
I get that the system isn't great for UK fisheries, but I just don't see how Brexit is going to change anything for the better. Both in terms of the fisheries or sustainability. Unless they address the UK implementation of the quota system, nothing can improve!
Before leaving the EU. The UK was powerless to alter the CFP/ CAP etc etc etc..
Now the UK government can do whatever is in the UK's best interest. The UK governments of old can no longer blame the EU for tying their legislative hands. If the UK voting public don't like what the government is doing, out they go next election.
The quota system as a whole is a good thing and helps balance the support of the fishing industry against the need for sustainability for each EU member. The real problem is the UK's implementation of the quota system, turning it into a commodity open to the highest bidder wherever in the world there from rather than using a system that supports domestic fleets as other EU members have done.
In future, the UK fleet will be restricted to UK or international waters. I suspect the UK will maintain a quota system to protect stocks and it will continue to be commoditised, so very little is likely to improve for UK fishers only they will be even more restricted in where they can fish and what they can catch.
I get that the system isn't great for UK fisheries, but I just don't see how Brexit is going to change anything for the better. Both in terms of the fisheries or sustainability. Unless they address the UK implementation of the quota system, nothing can improve!
Tend to agree with the gist of your post but the quota system needs to be managed properly. The government should/could revoke (which they won't) all the quota that has been bought instead of earned and allocate it in a proper manner amongst the British fleet.
From: Api 500+bhp MD321T @91dB Probably SN's longest owner of an Impreza Turbo
Originally Posted by 1509joe
Tend to agree with the gist of your post but the quota system needs to be managed properly. The government should/could revoke (which they won't) all the quota that has been bought instead of earned and allocate it in a proper manner amongst the British fleet.
If British fish stocks suffer a decline, the UK can drop the anchor on fishing, previously unable to stop EU plundering UK fish stocks.
If British fish stocks suffer a decline, the UK can drop the anchor on fishing, previously unable to stop EU plundering UK fish stocks.
If that is the case I don't know cause I haven't looked into the Brexit agenda then that would be beneficial but whether the government will or even listen to the fishermen remains to be seen.
If British fish stocks suffer a decline, the UK can drop the anchor on fishing, previously unable to stop EU plundering UK fish stocks.
The fishing policies were designed to prevent a decline in stock, so either you accept that and no decline will happen (but yes, the UK may not be able to fish as much as it wants), or it's wrong and stopping the EU countries fishing will have no appreciable effect as we would take up the slack and continue the decline in stock, or the decline in stock would be such that the UK fishing industry will be buggered, as if they just 'drop anchor' they will disappear anyway.
The fishing policies were designed to prevent a decline in stock, so either you accept that and no decline will happen (but yes, the UK may not be able to fish as much as it wants), or it's wrong and stopping the EU countries fishing will have no appreciable effect as we would take up the slack and continue the decline in stock, or the decline in stock would be such that the UK fishing industry will be buggered, as if they just 'drop anchor' they will disappear anyway.
well scalloping off of Boulogne definitely off the menu now
No idea what 'Drop anchor on fishing " means ...??
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Before leaving the EU. The UK was powerless to alter the CFP/ CAP etc etc etc..
Now the UK government can do whatever is in the UK's best interest. The UK governments of old can no longer blame the EU for tying their legislative hands. If the UK voting public don't like what the government is doing, out they go next election.
We were never powerless to alter the CFP, as part of the EU we had a say in the CFP. The idea that the EU says something and we have no control is just rubbish.
This seperation from the UK and the EU is rubbish, we were in the EU and as one of the largest countries, our voice and vote was stronger than most. That fact that nobody other than UKIP supporters could be bothered voting in the EU elections meant that much of the UK representation in the EU worked on an agenda to disadvantage the UK and create this "them and us" image.
Farage famously never bothered turning up to comittee meetings which he was involved in, meaning the UK's interests were never represented - Funilly enough, he was on the EU fisheries commitee, responsible for defining the CFP and setting the quotas
From: Api 500+bhp MD321T @91dB Probably SN's longest owner of an Impreza Turbo
Originally Posted by BMWhere?
We were never powerless to alter the CFP, as part of the EU we had a say in the CFP. The idea that the EU says something and we have no control is just rubbish.
This seperation from the UK and the EU is rubbish, we were in the EU and as one of the largest countries, our voice and vote was stronger than most. That fact that nobody other than UKIP supporters could be bothered voting in the EU elections meant that much of the UK representation in the EU worked on an agenda to disadvantage the UK and create this "them and us" image.
Farage famously never bothered turning up to comittee meetings which he was involved in, meaning the UK's interests were never represented - Funilly enough, he was on the EU fisheries commitee, responsible for defining the CFP and setting the quotas
The UK never changed one piece of legislation other than Margaret Thatcher achieving a rebate.
Nigel Farage knew it was futile to attempt a legislative change with CFP. Only leaving would achieve change.
He, without recognition of his monumental effort, has achieved what no other modern day political figure has done. One day he will receive national recognition with some royal acknowledgement. Sir, Lord etc
From: Api 500+bhp MD321T @91dB Probably SN's longest owner of an Impreza Turbo
Putting aside personal opinion of staying or leaving the EU. Nigel Farage has been the most influential person in politics in modern UK history. Whether you like or loathe him, nobody else has had as much influence.
Ther have been others, but nobody so prominent as Farage
