So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
28 October 2019, 01:33 PM
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Great - so another 3 month delay whilst they can work out how to apply for a further 'short' delay after January
Then that delay can be further extended whilst they negotiate why they had a delay in the first place - so they may as well delay it so more
I suggest nothing really constructive will happen between now and January and we will be back to square one again
Then that delay can be further extended whilst they negotiate why they had a delay in the first place - so they may as well delay it so more
I suggest nothing really constructive will happen between now and January and we will be back to square one again
My guess is they will have an election and it will return a minority government again and we're no better off!
The only possible way out is if Labour win the election and go into coalition with the Lib Dems/SNP with the promise of a referendum on a deal or remain!
28 October 2019, 01:56 PM
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You're probably right!
My guess is they will have an election and it will return a minority government again and we're no better off!
The only possible way out is if Labour win the election and go into coalition with the Lib Dems/SNP with the promise of a referendum on a deal or remain!
My guess is they will have an election and it will return a minority government again and we're no better off!
The only possible way out is if Labour win the election and go into coalition with the Lib Dems/SNP with the promise of a referendum on a deal or remain!
28 October 2019, 02:06 PM
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You're probably right!
My guess is they will have an election and it will return a minority government again and we're no better off!
The only possible way out is if Labour win the election and go into coalition with the Lib Dems/SNP with the promise of a referendum on a deal or remain!
My guess is they will have an election and it will return a minority government again and we're no better off!
The only possible way out is if Labour win the election and go into coalition with the Lib Dems/SNP with the promise of a referendum on a deal or remain!
thats my guess anyway
28 October 2019, 02:53 PM
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Don't underestimate the Lib Dems. My parents have been staunch Tory voters their whole lives and they are now supporting the Lib Dems because they don't support Boris Johnson and a hard Brexit. They're also in a marginal seat and their (currently Tory) MP is standing down, so its a prime target for the Lib Dems.
28 October 2019, 03:03 PM
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We could really do with another Tony Blair right now! A Labour party with a charismatic centrist would clean up right now. Corbyn is too divisive and has no clear direction on Brexit. Given the absolute mess the Tories are in, it's really quite scandalous that Labour have completely failed to capitalise on the whole mess!
This depends on if the Brexit party make an election pact not to fight the Tories or if they fight against each other. In the latter case, they could end up gifting many seats to the Lib Dems or Labour by splitting the hard/soft Brexit vote! A Tory/Brexit coalition would also be disastrous, both for the country and for the Tory party - Although I doubt it would last long enough to see Brexit through before the more moderate Tories resign the whip!
Don't underestimate the Lib Dems. My parents have been staunch Tory voters their whole lives and they are now supporting the Lib Dems because they don't support Boris Johnson and a hard Brexit. They're also in a marginal seat and their (currently Tory) MP is standing down, so its a prime target for the Lib Dems.
This depends on if the Brexit party make an election pact not to fight the Tories or if they fight against each other. In the latter case, they could end up gifting many seats to the Lib Dems or Labour by splitting the hard/soft Brexit vote! A Tory/Brexit coalition would also be disastrous, both for the country and for the Tory party - Although I doubt it would last long enough to see Brexit through before the more moderate Tories resign the whip!
Don't underestimate the Lib Dems. My parents have been staunch Tory voters their whole lives and they are now supporting the Lib Dems because they don't support Boris Johnson and a hard Brexit. They're also in a marginal seat and their (currently Tory) MP is standing down, so its a prime target for the Lib Dems.
Brexit party are regarded as toxic by many as is Nigel...Lib Dems have always been the recipient of the protest vote to punish the Tories and I can't see that changing this time around.
29 October 2019, 08:55 AM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50184045
Another waste of money because of Brexit!
WTF do we need commemorative coins anyway?
And why are they wasting money still showing the get ready for Brexit advert?
Another waste of money because of Brexit!
WTF do we need commemorative coins anyway?
And why are they wasting money still showing the get ready for Brexit advert?
Shredded !
Along with Boris's CV
29 October 2019, 12:53 PM
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I don't think no-deal is actually off the table is it...all that's happened is the EU have granted a new 'flextension' of three months?
Maybe JC is giving in to peer pressure regardless...I predict 5hitty campaigns on both sides centring around blame.
Maybe JC is giving in to peer pressure regardless...I predict 5hitty campaigns on both sides centring around blame.
29 October 2019, 01:22 PM
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Expect the polls to start narrowing over the next few weeks, this will be a very close one and you may see a record number of young voters fighting for their future! Sadly though, it will most likely again lead to a hung parliament and we're back to square one! In reality, the only way to resolve this to put the deal to the people and give them a meaningful choice rather than a unicorn!
29 October 2019, 01:34 PM
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No deal will probably never be completely off the table, particularly as long as we have a Tory government, bit it's now off the table for long enough to fight an election. With the bill today, the date is also fixed in law and Boris can't trick them and shift the date.
Expect the polls to start narrowing over the next few weeks, this will be a very close one and you may see a record number of young voters fighting for their future! Sadly though, it will most likely again lead to a hung parliament and we're back to square one! In reality, the only way to resolve this to put the deal to the people and give them a meaningful choice rather than a unicorn!
Expect the polls to start narrowing over the next few weeks, this will be a very close one and you may see a record number of young voters fighting for their future! Sadly though, it will most likely again lead to a hung parliament and we're back to square one! In reality, the only way to resolve this to put the deal to the people and give them a meaningful choice rather than a unicorn!
29 October 2019, 02:01 PM
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Agreed, this is going to be about who can hold their nose long enough to make an unsavoury coalition...what will be interesting is whether the Lib Dems have learnt from the Tory coalition under Clegg where they reneged on GE promises and supported the opposite. If they can demonstrate they have, I think it puts them in a strong position for tactical voting gains if enough red\blue remain voters are pragmatic and prioritise Brexit as their primary reason for voting to secure a second ref.
Will the Tories campaign for Boris' deal or for no deal or be indecisive and leave both on the table. Who knows what Labours position will be, no doubt it will change from day to day or hour to hour! Only the Lib Dems, SNP, and Greens have a definite position on Brexit.
29 October 2019, 02:10 PM
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This is the problem with having a GE to resolve Brexit. Not everyone will vote based on Brexit, some will vote for political reasons or on traditional political leanings. You can't say that the result of a GE is the peoples preferred choice for Brexit. Especially if there is no clear position on Brexit for the leading parties!
Will the Tories campaign for Boris' deal or for no deal or be indecisive and leave both on the table. Who knows what Labours position will be, no doubt it will change from day to day or hour to hour! Only the Lib Dems, SNP, and Greens have a definite position on Brexit.
Will the Tories campaign for Boris' deal or for no deal or be indecisive and leave both on the table. Who knows what Labours position will be, no doubt it will change from day to day or hour to hour! Only the Lib Dems, SNP, and Greens have a definite position on Brexit.
29 October 2019, 02:55 PM
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29 October 2019, 04:13 PM
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Basically Corbyn was forced into agreeing to an election. He simply ran out of excuses, if he was genuinely against the possiblity of a no deal brexit, he would have backed an election and put forward a no deal clause if he'd won.
Now that the SNP and LibDem support Johnson's election bill, it's now inevitable that an early election will happen. How would Corbyn and Labour look, as the opposition, if he, again, refused to back an election that was going to happen whether he liked it or not! He'd look like the very thing he fears, .........chlorinated chicken!
Now that the SNP and LibDem support Johnson's election bill, it's now inevitable that an early election will happen. How would Corbyn and Labour look, as the opposition, if he, again, refused to back an election that was going to happen whether he liked it or not! He'd look like the very thing he fears, .........chlorinated chicken!
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29 October 2019, 06:18 PM
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To be honest, while I agree in principle to allowing 16yo and EU members who are tax resident in UK to vote in a GE, I'm not sure its something that should be done so hastily! More important is to restore the democratic rights of British citizens who live abroad!
29 October 2019, 08:31 PM
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A change of that magnitude (lowering the voting age limit) has to be very carefully examined before implementation...if this is a genuine ‘thing’ then we must ask the same questions of other age limited activities like alcohol consumption and driving.
I think it’s a desperate tactic by labour to avoid having a coalition...which is a bit 5hitty and smacks of principle loss, if they have not seriously investigated it in the past of course.
As for non British citizens I think there would have to be a minimum level of contribution via taxation and minimum length of time in residence to be eligible. I’m not sure how other EU nations approach this issue, but those solutions should probably be reviewed as a starting point.
I think it’s a desperate tactic by labour to avoid having a coalition...which is a bit 5hitty and smacks of principle loss, if they have not seriously investigated it in the past of course.
As for non British citizens I think there would have to be a minimum level of contribution via taxation and minimum length of time in residence to be eligible. I’m not sure how other EU nations approach this issue, but those solutions should probably be reviewed as a starting point.
30 October 2019, 09:32 AM
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With the PMs bill, the date of the election is fixed in law.
With the vote on the fixed term parliament act, the PM can decide on the election date after the vote and could have shifted it to after the 31st January and dissolved parliament for 6 weeks to fight the election, letting the clock run down and leaving with no deal on 31st January!
This is why the fixed term parliament act call for a GE was voted down, but the GE election bill was overwhelmingly accepted!
Now, we can't have a no deal situation during the election campaign - no deal is off the table!
Obviously, whoever wins the election will then be able to set the terms of leaving, including with no deal!
Although, in either case, I don't really accept a GE result as a mandate for any kind of Brexit or remaining as a GE is not fought on a single issue. Whoever wins, should put any deal/no deal and remain back to the public in a referendum to ensure that the public really accept the deal.
30 October 2019, 10:58 AM
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No, he is merely stating that no deal is off the table for long enough to hold an election.
With the PMs bill, the date of the election is fixed in law.
With the vote on the fixed term parliament act, the PM can decide on the election date after the vote and could have shifted it to after the 31st January and dissolved parliament for 6 weeks to fight the election, letting the clock run down and leaving with no deal on 31st January!
This is why the fixed term parliament act call for a GE was voted down, but the GE election bill was overwhelmingly accepted!
Now, we can't have a no deal situation during the election campaign - no deal is off the table!
Obviously, whoever wins the election will then be able to set the terms of leaving, including with no deal!
Although, in either case, I don't really accept a GE result as a mandate for any kind of Brexit or remaining as a GE is not fought on a single issue. Whoever wins, should put any deal/no deal and remain back to the public in a referendum to ensure that the public really accept the deal.
With the PMs bill, the date of the election is fixed in law.
With the vote on the fixed term parliament act, the PM can decide on the election date after the vote and could have shifted it to after the 31st January and dissolved parliament for 6 weeks to fight the election, letting the clock run down and leaving with no deal on 31st January!
This is why the fixed term parliament act call for a GE was voted down, but the GE election bill was overwhelmingly accepted!
Now, we can't have a no deal situation during the election campaign - no deal is off the table!
Obviously, whoever wins the election will then be able to set the terms of leaving, including with no deal!
Although, in either case, I don't really accept a GE result as a mandate for any kind of Brexit or remaining as a GE is not fought on a single issue. Whoever wins, should put any deal/no deal and remain back to the public in a referendum to ensure that the public really accept the deal.