Everyone, (bar the utterly dogmatic), knew already what self-serving liars MPs are in general; there is no way Nige and his cronies will ever gain a majority in a GE.

 

Latest poll from YouGov looks interesting (if you believe polls...)

 

That is just before labour confirmed they would be supporting a second referendum though isn't. it...sorry, I'm not sure of the date they changed their policy/approach.

 

I agree that is what should happen, but I think it is unlikely. Both parties have shrunk their memberships, and it would appear that the core is now made up of hard right and hard left, and those people are unlikely to return a centralist leader, to either party. The UK political scene is becoming more polarised, in a time where what is needed is central ground. I can't see how it is going to change in the near future.

 

Entirely agree that we need the country to managed from a centralist perspective...if the yellow team can produce a charismatic leader they may be in with a shot. Maybe.

 

Why did Andy totally ignore Lib Dems ?

 

I am unable to answer why Andy has done many things based on this thread

 

Gets a bit distracted/ forgetful when you threaten to take away his brexit lol

 

F88K off you fat **** !
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...te-with-the-eu

 

Boris is probably bright enough to wish Trump would stop talking about him...Farage on the other hand

 

Sometimes I feel I've arrived in a parallel universe. How did this country get dumbed down so quickly? The only office Farage has been elected to is as one of several MEPs for the south east. Yet some people think it's ok for him to act as a government minister. Democracy my ****.

 

When UKIP got 4 million votes and 0 MPs - and the Scottish National party got 1.5 million votes and 52 MPS!

 

Yes ukip always done crap up there !

 

You always expect a certain amount of BS from politicians...Trump is something else though, he just seems to pluck this crap out of the ether and believes what he says.

 

How about Lib Dem...2.4million= 8 seats, or even green party....1.1million and gained a seat!


To think all it takes is 35000 for Bercow to get his cushy spot!

 

Jobs for the in crowd.

Trump calling Sidiq short: mega lolz

 

obviously just a Protest vote

nobody wanted them to actually rule (anywhere)

 

They would also need some sort of manifesto...

 

Well done brexiters

https://www.ft.com/content/0cc78564-...8-86cea8523dc2

 

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Is this the same NHS that could get an extra £350m funding if we left?
Farage says he wants an insurance based system. His main backer is Aaron Banks, who is in the insurance business. Doh!
Trump comes over here and starts telling us who should be the next PM, and how we should conduct our business with the EU. What price Sovereignty now?
Putin must be hugging himself with glee.

 

This is the story in the FT link

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8943656.html

No Sub..

 

Thank you

Not a surprise sadly.

 

I notice this morning he has said that the NHS won't be on the table, which illustrates that he will say anything if he thinks it will improve his situation, or that he never really knew what the NHS was.......

 

Love this media talk about Trump and the NHS...like the NHS isn’t reliant on the USA in any shape or form ....

....I never knew the UK NHS did not use USA pharma, USA research, USA pioneered techniques/procedures, USA made equipment or equipment, treatment or drugs made under license that have USA patents.

Next time you have a CT scan have a look at who made the scanner....General Electric (likely a CT660)....didn’t know they were British

 

Yes, British subsidiaries of GE here in the UK to be precise. How do I know this? Because in March this year my wife was made redundant from GE Healthcare after 16 years who make these machines, develop these drugs HERE IN THE UK and manufacture them under license here in the UK. Do you know why she was made redundant? Because GE Healthcare are closing UK sites all over the place and reducing their footprint here in the UK while massively pulling things BACK to the US as a direct result of guess what.... Brexit.

 

Indeed, it is/was a UK employer, just like any other worldwide USA owned/managed conglomerate it will have overseas operations. And just like any economic downturn, or uncertainty (like Brexit), those operations will be under threat. It’s a sad state affairs where being in a two year limbo is costing people their jobs. Although before totally blaming Brexit outright , GE is struggling in the USA... over the past 20yrs its worth has shrank from $600billion to just $70billion so it’s no surprise its shrinking its world footprint.

Either way, the UK needs the USA in various areas, including the NHS...it can’t procure everything from within the EU, nor should it be forced to do so.

Does anyone remember the times when GE had a finger in pretty much every UK industry going? These days it seems be Siemens or some sort of Chinese alliance/investor.

 

I do totally agree, the UK sector for GE Healthcare had been on the decline for years and we'd been predicting this for some time, but Brexit was most certainly the nail in their coffin and end of play for my wife's job and some UK sites. Making drugs in the UK (Within the EU) and selling to the EU and worldwide requires certain certifications, standards etc, once we are out of the EU then they are just simply not allowed to sell those products without a complete re-certification and manufacturing change which proved too costly for some of their drug lines and product life cycles. GE raped what was worth saving (only a few lines) which they will take back to the US and manufacture there or another EU member state country like Norway whey they have manufacturing on a similar scale.

We do need foreign resource for our NHS, we need whatever resource is providing the latest technology and advances in medicine and medical care and that is not going to the the UK now with it's declining sectors. But there is no way our NHS should in any way be run or controlled or even partially owned by the US which is what Trump wants.

 

So, Labour have won the by-election in Peterborough! So much for the Brexit party winning 414 seats in a GE!

 

60/40 voted to Leave too.

Only half bothered to vote this time though , clearly not that important to them


Someone ought to tell him, divide and rule only really worked in the colonies.

And we don't have an empire any more!