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Old 12 October 2017, 02:00 PM   #1861
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I see that delays over Brexit have caused the economy to shake.
Told you we should have had a clean break.
lol, no you said the German car industry would give us a good deal - I can dig the posts out if you like
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Old 12 October 2017, 02:02 PM   #1862
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As far as NI easiest way will be have the hard border at the Irish sea, keep the soft border in place as it currently is. if you have a NI passport then free access without customs, if not then customs it is. Pretty simple really.

yes that is the easy solution - and I suspect the one the EU would agree too

but totally unacceptable to the DUP - who want a hard brexit but no hard border

with a side helping of unicorns
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Old 12 October 2017, 02:46 PM   #1863
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I did hear things mentioned like paying what was due etc, it just seems to be the EU seems to disagree with whats owed/agreed. The information was out there if you actually looked into it rather than just scan reading he headlines (not saying you did that, just people in general).

As far as NI easiest way will be have the hard border at the Irish sea, keep the soft border in place as it currently is. if you have a NI passport then free access without customs, if not then customs it is. Pretty simple really.
the EU position paper is here

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publ...-settlement_en

the EU has asked for a framework to be agreed, a methodology on finalising the accounts - no amount has been mentioned by the EU negotiators only in our febrile press

it was produced over 6 months ago - to my knowledge we have not produced anything

lets take one of the areas in the document where we have made commitments





the Horizon projects - jointly funded,staffed and resourced projects from studies into diabetes to gravitational waves


this is a link to the UK coordinated ones

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...&headers=false


the below is a screen shot of the first 20 or so - the spreadsheet runs to hundred odd lines - hundreds of projects





so re these projects who pays the ongoing wages, who pays for the lab space and equipment's etc etc etc

do we want to still collaborate in these, how are the outcomes shared, who owns the new technology they produve etc etc etc

and those are just one small part of settling commitments we freely entered into as members

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Old 12 October 2017, 03:34 PM   #1864
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The UK legal counsel ripped to shreds any basis that the UK should continue payments to the EU after 2019. The EU hasn't come back on their wish list.

Barnier never mentions legal but talks in words of honour. They have no legal stand point, well not that are willing to publish. On that basis who would want to pay any more than is legally required.

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Old 12 October 2017, 04:19 PM   #1865
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The UK legal counsel ripped to shreds any basis that the UK should continue payments to the EU after 2019. The EU hasn't come back on their wish list.

Barnier never mentions legal but talks in words of honour. They have no legal stand point, well not that are willing to publish. On that basis who would want to pay any more than is legally required.
lol, are you talking about the power point presentation given by a teenager over the summer
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Old 12 October 2017, 04:22 PM   #1866
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Still no legal basis, no pay

LOL right back at you

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Old 12 October 2017, 07:13 PM   #1867
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Pound plummeting ,
Wonderful !
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Old 12 October 2017, 07:19 PM   #1868
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Thought Davis was allright

but he cant even speak French
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Old 12 October 2017, 08:30 PM   #1869
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Pound plummeting ,
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Dont think so
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Old 13 October 2017, 01:03 AM   #1870
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Still no legal basis, no pay

LOL right back at you

Do you actually have a clue what you're talking about?
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Old 13 October 2017, 03:50 AM   #1871
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Were going to do a Liam Byrne , apparently

Expect this time they'll be consequences
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Old 13 October 2017, 09:00 AM   #1872
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lol, no you said the German car industry would give us a good deal - I can dig the posts out if you like
Irrelevant, my good man.

The present shaky economy is being CAUSED by us faffing about.

The economists are getting windy, as they do, as we FAIL to push back against the outrageous demands of the EU.

But wait....watch the German industries pressure Merkel and Co once it's obvious we are moving towards no deal.
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Old 13 October 2017, 09:15 AM   #1873
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I will do you a deal Alcazar.

If on 1st Jan 2020 the UK is in a better position post-Brexit it ever was pre-Brexit I will never set foot in the UK again.

If on that date the UK is in a worse off position then you sell your house in France and never set foot in the EU again.

This is an easy bet for someone as sure as yourself.
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Old 13 October 2017, 09:41 AM   #1874
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What exactly are the outrageous demands ??
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Old 13 October 2017, 10:05 AM   #1875
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Still no legal basis, no pay

LOL right back at you
ahah no

we have said we have commitments - just read May Florence speech, and Boris's

but we have not listed them

that's why the EU are laughing at us (in despair)

so to recap we say we have commitments - when the EU ask us to list and itemise them so accounts can be settled

and we say NO
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Old 13 October 2017, 10:07 AM   #1876
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Irrelevant, my good man.

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what's irrelevant - that your a bull****ter?
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Old 13 October 2017, 11:16 AM   #1877
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The 20bn was for access after we left for 2 years and a promise to pay what we legally owe. Not their wish list.
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Old 13 October 2017, 11:43 AM   #1878
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I will do you a deal Alcazar.

If on 1st Jan 2020 the UK is in a better position post-Brexit it ever was pre-Brexit I will never set foot in the UK again.

If on that date the UK is in a worse off position then you sell your house in France and never set foot in the EU again.

This is an easy bet for someone as sure as yourself.
Silly

My beef with the EU isn't about living there, or any particular country.
It's about unelected control.
It's about them ignoring rules which we follow.....no EU rules, we no longer have that excuse for stupidity.
It's about waste.
It's about propping up ex-Commie states while our old and sick go ignored.

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If on 1st Jan 2020 the UK is in a better position post-Brexit it ever was pre-Brexit
"ever was"?????

I'd be daft to take that. But we will be better off, trust me.
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Old 13 October 2017, 11:44 AM   #1879
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what's irrelevant - that your a bull****ter?
You make yourself look silly. STOP with the insults.

And it's "you're", LOL
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Old 13 October 2017, 11:57 AM   #1880
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Jezza will put it all right don't you worry

Ironically , with his communist measures


Sure thatll make you happy

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Old 13 October 2017, 02:41 PM   #1881
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Silly

My beef with the EU isn't about living there, or any particular country.
It's about unelected control.
The parliament is elected, and you should read up about how the EU is structured and how it operates. You may not like it, and it may not be the same as the way we run our country, but it doesn't mean it's undemocratic.

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It's about them ignoring rules which we follow.....no EU rules, we no longer have that excuse for stupidity.
This is a British issue, not an EU one. What you are saying is that you don't like the EU because some of its member states don't follow the rules. We can also do that if we wish, surely you can see that?

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It's about waste.
Yes, because the British Goverment have never wasted anything....

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It's about propping up ex-Commie states while our old and sick go ignored.
They will still be ignored whether we are in the EU or not, that is a British issue.
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Old 13 October 2017, 02:57 PM   #1882
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The parliament is elected, and you should read up about how the EU is structured and how it operates. You may not like it, and it may not be the same as the way we run our country, but it doesn't mean it's undemocratic.
And the commissioners? The president?


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This is a British issue, not an EU one. What you are saying is that you don't like the EU because some of its member states don't follow the rules. We can also do that if we wish, surely you can see that?
Bit of a Johnny come lately to this thread?
As I've pointed out before, if we are out, we no longer have to follow their last rule and regulation. AND OUR GOVERNMENT WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO HIDE BEHIND THE EU for every silly thing it enforces. So we can vote them gone if they start.



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Yes, because the British Goverment have never wasted anything....
Of course we have, but not on the scale of the EU. Looked at their pensions? Remember the wine lake? The butter mountain?



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They will still be ignored whether we are in the EU or not, that is a British issue.
But with the money NOT sent to the ex-Commie states, perhaps we can do better?
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Old 13 October 2017, 03:28 PM   #1883
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And the commissioners? The president?
The commission is accountable to the parliament, which is elected. The president is not some dictator, you know, he can't just order the EU to bend to his will.

How democratic is the House of Lords? How representative is the House of Commons with respect to voter share?

Try looking at how things work instead of repeating parrot fashion the inescurities and xenophobia of the Leave campaign.




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Bit of a Johnny come lately to this thread?
As I've pointed out before, if we are out, we no longer have to follow their last rule and regulation. AND OUR GOVERNMENT WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO HIDE BEHIND THE EU for every silly thing it enforces. So we can vote them gone if they start.
This statement show an unbelievable amount of naivety and bias. We live in a two party system, both of which have systematically let the country down, lied to us, enforce unpopular legislation.


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Of course we have, but not on the scale of the EU. Looked at their pensions? Remember the wine lake? The butter mountain?
Well, the EU is a lot bigger than us, waste is relative What I find odd is that you criticise the EU for waste yet not us, it's double standards. Waste is a scourge for all, but not easily fixed.




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But with the money NOT sent to the ex-Commie states, perhaps we can do better?
Really showing your age and prejudices there, 'ex-Commie' states. When East Germany joined West Germany, it was a huge burden on the West, but now Germany is the strongest nation in Europe. It is in our interests to have an economically strong and united Europe, so it's more of an investment.

As for us doing better, perhaps? Possibly. In reality? Unlikely.
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Old 13 October 2017, 05:17 PM   #1884
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The commission is accountable to the parliament, which is elected. The president is not some dictator, you know, he can't just order the EU to bend to his will.
Seems to be doing a damned good impersonation of a dictator at present, LOL

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How democratic is the House of Lords? How representative is the House of Commons with respect to voter share?
Why is that relevant? It's OURS. We don't want ruling by the EU, and we will be if we stay. Look at how they are beahving now? "You can't talk trade until you pay what WE say you owe for leaving?

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Try looking at how things work instead of repeating parrot fashion the inescurities and xenophobia of the Leave campaign.
Oh I do...and I'm not impressed.

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This statement show an unbelievable amount of naivety and bias. We live in a two party system, both of which have systematically let the country down, lied to us, enforce unpopular legislation.
Irrelevant. If we leave, we don't have to obey their petty rules and tregs.
So ANY UK govt will have nothing/no-one to hide behind if they start enforcing crap the population hate...and will quickly be voted out. Or down in the house.




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Well, the EU is a lot bigger than us, waste is relative What I find odd is that you criticise the EU for waste yet not us, it's double standards. Waste is a scourge for all, but not easily fixed.
Agreed.
Except that why should WE, as nett giver, pay for their poor housekeeping? We have enough on paying for our own.


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Really showing your age and prejudices there, 'ex-Commie' states. When East Germany joined West Germany, it was a huge burden on the West, but now Germany is the strongest nation in Europe. It is in our interests to have an economically strong and united Europe, so it's more of an investment.
Aye...and where do you think the lion's share of the money came from????

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As for us doing better, perhaps? Possibly. In reality? Unlikely.
We'll see.
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Old 13 October 2017, 09:40 PM   #1885
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Why is that relevant? It's OURS. We don't want ruling by the EU, and we will be if we stay. Look at how they are beahving now? "You can't talk trade until you pay what WE say you owe for leaving?
So the EU is bad yet the House of Lords (both of which can be described as "un-democratic ") is fine simply because it's "ours". You've got to love that logic

Anywho, has anyone figured out what we're going to do with all our nuclear sites/equipment once we're out of Euratom?
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Old 14 October 2017, 09:06 AM   #1886
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So the EU is bad yet the House of Lords (both of which can be described as "un-democratic ") is fine simply because it's "ours". You've got to love that logic
Better the devil you know.....
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Anywho, has anyone figured out what we're going to do with all our nuclear sites/equipment once we're out of Euratom?
Pretty much what we did before we joined?
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Pretty much what we did before we joined?
wow.

So most of the nuclear industry is of the opinion leaving Euratom is going to cause all sorts of trouble, yet some bloke from the Internet believes we should just revert to "what we did before we joined" (a time that bought us such joys as the Windscale fire). Couldn't make it up.

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Cos anythings better than seeing those damn commies stealing our hard earned
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wow.

So most of the nuclear industry is of the opinion leaving Euratom is going to cause all sorts of trouble, yet some bloke from the Internet believes we should just revert to "what we did before we joined" (a time that bought us such joys as the Windscale fire). Couldn't make it up.
"Of the opinion"?

Like the opinions of those who said we'd have to have an emergency budget?
That it would cost every man, woman and child in the UK 3000?
That banks would all move abroad as soon as we voted out?
Like those opinions.

Honestly, you probably believe there are fairies too?
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Cos anythings better than seeing those damn commies stealing our hard earned
Aye, you mock.

But you won't be mocking when it affects you or yours, trust me
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