So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
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yes that is the easy solution - and I suspect the one the EU would agree too
but totally unacceptable to the DUP - who want a hard brexit but no hard border
with a side helping of unicorns
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I did hear things mentioned like paying what was due etc, it just seems to be the EU seems to disagree with whats owed/agreed. The information was out there if you actually looked into it rather than just scan reading he headlines (not saying you did that, just people in general).
As far as NI easiest way will be have the hard border at the Irish sea, keep the soft border in place as it currently is. if you have a NI passport then free access without customs, if not then customs it is. Pretty simple really.
As far as NI easiest way will be have the hard border at the Irish sea, keep the soft border in place as it currently is. if you have a NI passport then free access without customs, if not then customs it is. Pretty simple really.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publ...-settlement_en
the EU has asked for a framework to be agreed, a methodology on finalising the accounts - no £ amount has been mentioned by the EU negotiators only in our febrile press
it was produced over 6 months ago - to my knowledge we have not produced anything
lets take one of the areas in the document where we have made commitments
the Horizon projects - jointly funded,staffed and resourced projects from studies into diabetes to gravitational waves
this is a link to the UK coordinated ones
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...&headers=false
the below is a screen shot of the first 20 or so - the spreadsheet runs to hundred odd lines - hundreds of projects
so re these projects who pays the ongoing wages, who pays for the lab space and equipment's etc etc etc
do we want to still collaborate in these, how are the outcomes shared, who owns the new technology they produve etc etc etc
and those are just one small part of settling commitments we freely entered into as members
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The UK legal counsel ripped to shreds any basis that the UK should continue payments to the EU after 2019. The EU hasn't come back on their wish list.
Barnier never mentions legal but talks in words of honour. They have no legal stand point, well not that are willing to publish. On that basis who would want to pay any more than is legally required.
Barnier never mentions legal but talks in words of honour. They have no legal stand point, well not that are willing to publish. On that basis who would want to pay any more than is legally required.
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The UK legal counsel ripped to shreds any basis that the UK should continue payments to the EU after 2019. The EU hasn't come back on their wish list.
Barnier never mentions legal but talks in words of honour. They have no legal stand point, well not that are willing to publish. On that basis who would want to pay any more than is legally required.
Barnier never mentions legal but talks in words of honour. They have no legal stand point, well not that are willing to publish. On that basis who would want to pay any more than is legally required.
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The present shaky economy is being CAUSED by us faffing about.
The economists are getting windy, as they do, as we FAIL to push back against the outrageous demands of the EU.
But wait....watch the German industries pressure Merkel and Co once it's obvious we are moving towards no deal.
#1873
I will do you a deal Alcazar.
If on 1st Jan 2020 the UK is in a better position post-Brexit it ever was pre-Brexit I will never set foot in the UK again.
If on that date the UK is in a worse off position then you sell your house in France and never set foot in the EU again.
This is an easy bet for someone as sure as yourself.
If on 1st Jan 2020 the UK is in a better position post-Brexit it ever was pre-Brexit I will never set foot in the UK again.
If on that date the UK is in a worse off position then you sell your house in France and never set foot in the EU again.
This is an easy bet for someone as sure as yourself.
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ahah no
we have said we have commitments - just read May Florence speech, and Boris's
but we have not listed them
that's why the EU are laughing at us (in despair)
so to recap we say we have commitments - when the EU ask us to list and itemise them so accounts can be settled
and we say NO
we have said we have commitments - just read May Florence speech, and Boris's
but we have not listed them
that's why the EU are laughing at us (in despair)
so to recap we say we have commitments - when the EU ask us to list and itemise them so accounts can be settled
and we say NO
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I will do you a deal Alcazar.
If on 1st Jan 2020 the UK is in a better position post-Brexit it ever was pre-Brexit I will never set foot in the UK again.
If on that date the UK is in a worse off position then you sell your house in France and never set foot in the EU again.
This is an easy bet for someone as sure as yourself.
If on 1st Jan 2020 the UK is in a better position post-Brexit it ever was pre-Brexit I will never set foot in the UK again.
If on that date the UK is in a worse off position then you sell your house in France and never set foot in the EU again.
This is an easy bet for someone as sure as yourself.
My beef with the EU isn't about living there, or any particular country.
It's about unelected control.
It's about them ignoring rules which we follow.....no EU rules, we no longer have that excuse for stupidity.
It's about waste.
It's about propping up ex-Commie states while our old and sick go ignored.
And as for
If on 1st Jan 2020 the UK is in a better position post-Brexit it ever was pre-Brexit
I'd be daft to take that. But we will be better off, trust me.
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Yes, because the British Goverment have never wasted anything....
They will still be ignored whether we are in the EU or not, that is a British issue.
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As I've pointed out before, if we are out, we no longer have to follow their last rule and regulation. AND OUR GOVERNMENT WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO HIDE BEHIND THE EU for every silly thing it enforces. So we can vote them gone if they start.
Of course we have, but not on the scale of the EU. Looked at their pensions? Remember the wine lake? The butter mountain?
But with the money NOT sent to the ex-Commie states, perhaps we can do better?
#1883
The commission is accountable to the parliament, which is elected. The president is not some dictator, you know, he can't just order the EU to bend to his will.
How democratic is the House of Lords? How representative is the House of Commons with respect to voter share?
Try looking at how things work instead of repeating parrot fashion the inescurities and xenophobia of the Leave campaign.
This statement show an unbelievable amount of naivety and bias. We live in a two party system, both of which have systematically let the country down, lied to us, enforce unpopular legislation.
Well, the EU is a lot bigger than us, waste is relative What I find odd is that you criticise the EU for waste yet not us, it's double standards. Waste is a scourge for all, but not easily fixed.
Really showing your age and prejudices there, 'ex-Commie' states. When East Germany joined West Germany, it was a huge burden on the West, but now Germany is the strongest nation in Europe. It is in our interests to have an economically strong and united Europe, so it's more of an investment.
As for us doing better, perhaps? Possibly. In reality? Unlikely.
How democratic is the House of Lords? How representative is the House of Commons with respect to voter share?
Try looking at how things work instead of repeating parrot fashion the inescurities and xenophobia of the Leave campaign.
Bit of a Johnny come lately to this thread?
As I've pointed out before, if we are out, we no longer have to follow their last rule and regulation. AND OUR GOVERNMENT WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO HIDE BEHIND THE EU for every silly thing it enforces. So we can vote them gone if they start.
As I've pointed out before, if we are out, we no longer have to follow their last rule and regulation. AND OUR GOVERNMENT WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO HIDE BEHIND THE EU for every silly thing it enforces. So we can vote them gone if they start.
As for us doing better, perhaps? Possibly. In reality? Unlikely.
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So ANY UK govt will have nothing/no-one to hide behind if they start enforcing crap the population hate...and will quickly be voted out. Or down in the house.
Except that why should WE, as nett giver, pay for their poor housekeeping? We have enough on paying for our own.
Really showing your age and prejudices there, 'ex-Commie' states. When East Germany joined West Germany, it was a huge burden on the West, but now Germany is the strongest nation in Europe. It is in our interests to have an economically strong and united Europe, so it's more of an investment.
We'll see.
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Anywho, has anyone figured out what we're going to do with all our nuclear sites/equipment once we're out of Euratom?
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wow.
So most of the nuclear industry is of the opinion leaving Euratom is going to cause all sorts of trouble, yet some bloke from the Internet believes we should just revert to "what we did before we joined" (a time that bought us such joys as the Windscale fire). Couldn't make it up.
So most of the nuclear industry is of the opinion leaving Euratom is going to cause all sorts of trouble, yet some bloke from the Internet believes we should just revert to "what we did before we joined" (a time that bought us such joys as the Windscale fire). Couldn't make it up.
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wow.
So most of the nuclear industry is of the opinion leaving Euratom is going to cause all sorts of trouble, yet some bloke from the Internet believes we should just revert to "what we did before we joined" (a time that bought us such joys as the Windscale fire). Couldn't make it up.
So most of the nuclear industry is of the opinion leaving Euratom is going to cause all sorts of trouble, yet some bloke from the Internet believes we should just revert to "what we did before we joined" (a time that bought us such joys as the Windscale fire). Couldn't make it up.
Like the opinions of those who said we'd have to have an emergency budget?
That it would cost every man, woman and child in the UK £3000?
That banks would all move abroad as soon as we voted out?
Like those opinions.
Honestly, you probably believe there are fairies too?