Brexit Party got 29% of the vote, Conservatives 21% (down 25%), Labour 31% (down 17%), Libs 12% (Up 9%).
Turnout 48% down from 67% although turnout for By-Elections is usually lower than at General Elections.

If the Brexit party can't win a By-Election at a marginal seat which voted 60% leave, then there really isn't much hope for them!

 

Maybe its cos he/they have got nothing additional to offer...!!

 

They didn't get the victory they deserved but did remarkably well. Certainly spooked the Tories of ehat will happen. The polling now indication Brexit Party 26% voting intention compared to all other established around 18-21%

 

Deserved..?

One policy and zero manifesto.., Are you serious ?

 

He still thinks a hard Brexit will fix the NHS

 

I wont the NHS to become insurance based.

 

Come on Andy, despite your questionable choices you clearly aren't daft...what are they going to do if they get any seats?

 

Want?

 

Yes, speel checker 👍

 

Leverage. Its the only way to force a shift in behaviour

 

The EU's ?

 

Do you admire the USA system then ?

Think it works well ?

 

That's not really an answer is it...all MPs are supposed to aspire to that.

 

Oh...I'd have hoped someone as financially privileged as you would have more empathy for the vulnerable.

 

You can have an insurance based system without resorting to the American model, although Andy probably isn't aware of that!

The German system is also an insurance based system with privately run hospitals and clinics which are regulated by the state to control prices. There are a number of "state" insurance providers which are actually private companies but the government dictates the minimum service and prices are linked to income, so the high earners still pay for the low earners. You are also responsible for paying for your children until they start contributing themselve, although the additional costs are offset by tax benefits. If you earn above a certain threshold, you can also choose to leave the state system and go fully private which will normally cost you less if you're a high earner, but generally won't cover any pre-existing conditions and can get expensive when you get older and its difficult to rejoin the state system once you've left.

The theory, which I tend to agree with, is that governments know nothing about running hospitals or insurance schemes so shouldn't try, but they do know about setting policy. So state regulated private heath insurance and service providers is probably the most cost effective way of providing an NHS like system.

So in principle, I agree with a private insurance based NHS, but not the unregulated American system but a fully regulated German style system!

 

It need not be modelled on USA. Many others have insurance based. France, Switzerland have some or all insurance backed system. They perform and are better services than our failed NHS.

I was fully aware that many countries have insurance based health ta👍

 

The USA is widely recognised to have probably the most fcuked up Heathcare System in the developed world - I really can't see anyone aspiring to that model - no matter who you vote for...

 

Yeah, the care is great at the hospitals that I've unfortunately had the opportunity to stay at in the US but it should be for the $1800 a month I pay for insurance! (plus the $$$'s I have had to shell out on top of that, for co-pays and deductibles!)

 

I wasnt always 'financially privileged'. I had to work for what I got in my younger days. I worked and saved, bought my first property @19, made commitments and stuck to them.
So have little sympathy for those who won't

 

 

Just swap USA with EU

 

Cos we'll have so much more inflence over an ecomony umpteen times larger than ours !

 

I also have little sympathy for those who won't, but a lot of sympathy for those who can't!

 

No such thing as can't

A true blue I reckon , least until Teresa "threatened" take away his brexit

 

Lol!

 

The actual issue re the whole NHS/EU/US model with regards to a trade deal with the US is not really about clinical delivery/free at the point of use - it is about the role of NICE (National Institute for Health and Care Excellence) and buying power /commercial muscle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...are_Excellence

NICE with its government backed buying power means that drug prices are kept affordable - the US healthcare giants HATE that, drugs in the US are many many time higher - any US/UK FTA would entail provisions to nullify the power of NICE and allow US drug company to dictae the cost of drugs to the "free at the point of use NHS"

so then we get much higher drug prices

how does that change the health care narrative in the Brexit UK

well it means the NHS can do less with less - because they are buying expensive US drugs

so it will be trivially easy to slice and dice the NHS - attack "first principles" first

so - wait for the Brexit brigade to say something like (because now we really cant afford the US driven drug prices)

"why should an old age pensioner pay for a sports injury by someone playing recreation football/windsurfing/canoeing - is it fair?"

"why should someone who has never smoked pay for a smoker - is it fair?" (the smoker Farage will have private healthcare paid for by Banks, so don't worry too much about that Brexidiots - he will be fine)

"why should someone living in an inner city high rise pay for gardening injuries - is it fair?"

"why should people who do not own cars pay for injures by people/garages working on cars - is it fair?

it will all be done in the name of fairness - simples

 

So Erdogan Farage is now challenging the Peterborough by-election result, because, you know, its democratic to challenge a result that is really close!

So tell me again how it's undemocratic to challenge the Brexit referendum given all the lies that were told?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...on-postal-vote

 

Why let common sense get in the way of a good story?

 

Keeps the New UKIP party in the news.

 

I'm sure somebody posted this ( https://www.politicalite.com/exclusi...h-by-election/ ) on here before but I can't find that post now to reference it. Worth a read.