So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
07 June 2019, 11:02 AM
#4891
Scooby Senior
Turnout 48% down from 67% although turnout for By-Elections is usually lower than at General Elections.
If the Brexit party can't win a By-Election at a marginal seat which voted 60% leave, then there really isn't much hope for them!
07 June 2019, 12:52 PM
#4895
Scooby Senior
you clearly aren't daft...what are they going to do if they get any seats?
07 June 2019, 03:49 PM
#4905
Scooby Senior
You can have an insurance based system without resorting to the American model, although Andy probably isn't aware of that!
The German system is also an insurance based system with privately run hospitals and clinics which are regulated by the state to control prices. There are a number of "state" insurance providers which are actually private companies but the government dictates the minimum service and prices are linked to income, so the high earners still pay for the low earners. You are also responsible for paying for your children until they start contributing themselve, although the additional costs are offset by tax benefits. If you earn above a certain threshold, you can also choose to leave the state system and go fully private which will normally cost you less if you're a high earner, but generally won't cover any pre-existing conditions and can get expensive when you get older and its difficult to rejoin the state system once you've left.
The theory, which I tend to agree with, is that governments know nothing about running hospitals or insurance schemes so shouldn't try, but they do know about setting policy. So state regulated private heath insurance and service providers is probably the most cost effective way of providing an NHS like system.
So in principle, I agree with a private insurance based NHS, but not the unregulated American system but a fully regulated German style system!
The German system is also an insurance based system with privately run hospitals and clinics which are regulated by the state to control prices. There are a number of "state" insurance providers which are actually private companies but the government dictates the minimum service and prices are linked to income, so the high earners still pay for the low earners. You are also responsible for paying for your children until they start contributing themselve, although the additional costs are offset by tax benefits. If you earn above a certain threshold, you can also choose to leave the state system and go fully private which will normally cost you less if you're a high earner, but generally won't cover any pre-existing conditions and can get expensive when you get older and its difficult to rejoin the state system once you've left.
The theory, which I tend to agree with, is that governments know nothing about running hospitals or insurance schemes so shouldn't try, but they do know about setting policy. So state regulated private heath insurance and service providers is probably the most cost effective way of providing an NHS like system.
So in principle, I agree with a private insurance based NHS, but not the unregulated American system but a fully regulated German style system!
07 June 2019, 04:01 PM
#4906
It need not be modelled on USA. Many others have insurance based. France, Switzerland have some or all insurance backed system. They perform and are better services than our failed NHS.
I was fully aware that many countries have insurance based health ta👍
I was fully aware that many countries have insurance based health ta👍
Last edited by andy97; 07 June 2019 at 04:02 PM.
07 June 2019, 04:44 PM
#4907
Scooby Regular
The USA is widely recognised to have probably the most fcuked up Heathcare System in the developed world - I really can't see anyone aspiring to that model - no matter who you vote for...
07 June 2019, 05:29 PM
#4908
Scooby Regular
Yeah, the care is great at the hospitals that I've unfortunately had the opportunity to stay at in the US but it should be for the $1800 a month I pay for insurance! (plus the $$$'s I have had to shell out on top of that, for co-pays and deductibles!)
07 June 2019, 08:16 PM
#4913
Scooby Senior
08 June 2019, 09:41 PM
#4916
Scooby Regular
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...are_Excellence
NICE with its government backed buying power means that drug prices are kept affordable - the US healthcare giants HATE that, drugs in the US are many many time higher - any US/UK FTA would entail provisions to nullify the power of NICE and allow US drug company to dictae the cost of drugs to the "free at the point of use NHS"
so then we get much higher drug prices
how does that change the health care narrative in the Brexit UK
well it means the NHS can do less with less - because they are buying expensive US drugs
so it will be trivially easy to slice and dice the NHS - attack "first principles" first
so - wait for the Brexit brigade to say something like (because now we really cant afford the US driven drug prices)
"why should an old age pensioner pay for a sports injury by someone playing recreation football/windsurfing/canoeing - is it fair?"
"why should someone who has never smoked pay for a smoker - is it fair?" (the smoker Farage will have private healthcare paid for by Banks, so don't worry too much about that Brexidiots - he will be fine)
"why should someone living in an inner city high rise pay for gardening injuries - is it fair?"
"why should people who do not own cars pay for injures by people/garages working on cars - is it fair?
it will all be done in the name of fairness - simples
Last edited by hodgy0_2; 08 June 2019 at 10:39 PM.
24 June 2019, 01:49 PM
#4917
Scooby Senior
So Erdogan Farage is now challenging the Peterborough by-election result, because, you know, its democratic to challenge a result that is really close!
So tell me again how it's undemocratic to challenge the Brexit referendum given all the lies that were told?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...on-postal-vote
So tell me again how it's undemocratic to challenge the Brexit referendum given all the lies that were told?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...on-postal-vote
24 June 2019, 03:39 PM
#4918
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So Erdogan Farage is now challenging the Peterborough by-election result, because, you know, its democratic to challenge a result that is really close!
So tell me again how it's undemocratic to challenge the Brexit referendum given all the lies that were told?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...on-postal-vote
So tell me again how it's undemocratic to challenge the Brexit referendum given all the lies that were told?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...on-postal-vote
24 June 2019, 04:35 PM
#4920
Scooby Regular
So Erdogan Farage is now challenging the Peterborough by-election result, because, you know, its democratic to challenge a result that is really close!
So tell me again how it's undemocratic to challenge the Brexit referendum given all the lies that were told?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...on-postal-vote
So tell me again how it's undemocratic to challenge the Brexit referendum given all the lies that were told?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...on-postal-vote