The Trooper 1815

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This could get interesting.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/france...pute-1.5012806

and the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47161500

Did they really say that?

What has France said?

"For several months France has been the subject of repeated accusations, unfounded attacks and outlandish claims," the foreign ministry said on Thursday.

"The most recent interferences constitute an additional and unacceptable provocation. They violate the respect that is owed to democratic choices made by a nation which is a friend and an ally. To disagree is one thing, to exploit a relationship for electoral aims is another."

dpb

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47270935

The colour of your average pro brexiter

trails

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JackClark

Available with egg or pineapple.

Mr Fuji

Honda shutting up shop now. Oh dear, how far does it have to go before the Wrexittards admit what a stoopid idea it is?

Oh who am I kidding, we could return to the dark ages and they would think it was a good idea

dpb

**** Business

Wurzel

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Hopefully you have all sorted out your new caves to live in and made your bow and arrows ready for hunting wild dear

dpb

Blimey seems like yesterday girlfriend and i were riding around in triumph ( honda) acclaim ( 1984) , all gone

andy97

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Purely business, they can now sell into Europe with zero tarrif, so makes commercial, logistical and Japanese self interest to move production back to Japan

dpb

Yeah , we dont need jobs here after all !

andy97

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Honda are closing their Turkey production aswell, that must be down to UK leaving the EU. Or it could be a business decision and Japanese self interest.

dpb

So, remind us again how we are going to gain from being outside Eu

andy97

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Deals, self determination

hodgy0_2

leave really does mean leave!!!

jonc

Not purely business at all. Brexit has had an obvious effect, the decline in consumer confdence has accelerated since Brexit caused by the massive uncertainty and Honda are one of many companies moving out of the UK since 2016. Nissan will be reducing production and though Toyota have said they will remain in the UK for now, it's only a matter of time before they shift over to the continent when logistics in the supply chain affects production and costs. So you're right in that it makes commercial and logistical sense for foreign companies to move their production and their investment out of the UK. Once those industries have gone, they will never come back.

Mr Fuji

Yes, because we have no trade deal now........

madscoob

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watch this and listen to the end a letter from mr soros ****ting himself

JackClark

madscoob

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you missed the bit where he shows the letter then lol remember keep calm and BLEET on 10.50 shows the letter

cuprajake

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Honda are pulling out of the eu due to falling demand for their cars. Its not a brexit thing they had a few dangerous recalls which effected sales .

lozgti1

Yep. Honda decision nothing to do with Brexit

andy97

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Cynical folk might even say EU stitched the UK up by offering zero car tariffs for Japan

Mr Fuji

Whilst there are other factors in play, to say this has nothing to do with Brexit is plainly incorrect. Honda have stated that no deal Brexit will cost them tens of millions of pounds in tarriffs alone. They have also said that plant utterly relies on the just in time supply model, which cannot be after Brexit.

Honda have no doubt benefitted by the new deal with the EU, but if we had remained they still would have had the same access but with hugely reduced transportation costs. It's a perfect storm, Brexit is the straw that broke the camel's back.

dpb

trails

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No idea what point you are trying to illustrate with someone elses opinion?

trails

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Yeah of course Honda leaving the UK isn't linked to such a significant change in our approach to international trade

https://www.motoringresearch.com/car...-deal-warning/

https://www.ft.com/content/8f46b0d4-...7-1e1a0846c475

https://eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/201...-may-leave-uk/

Mr Fuji

Economy of MauritaniaStatisticsExport goodsiron ore, petroleum, gold, copper, gypsum, fishWell, that's my fears allayed then.......... Future looks rosy, as I was getting concerned about the gypsum supply.

BMWhere?

You are absolutely correct with that point! Funnily enough, its exactly the point that "project fear" has been making all along! Maybe project fear wasn't totally wrong after all?

Its a simple business decision about business investment in the UK. With the UK no longer in the EU, then manufacturers have to ask the question "what is my business advantage from investing in the UK?" - without tariff free access and relatively low domestic sales figures, the answer is "there is no advantage"! The simple business conclusion is for no future investment. In the case of Honda (or Nissan), then then have to look at the alternatives. They could spend a lot of money building a new factory elsewhere in Europe which has the advantage of production local to market and more flexibility and shorter lead times for the customer, or they could benefit from the Japan/EU tariff reductions which are to be progressively reduced over the next years and simply increase production at existing Japanese plants which will be significantly cheaper than relocating within Europe. Then it becomes a choice of cost savings vs customer support = most businesses will choose cost savings!

While there is no guarantee that Honda wouldn't have left the UK anyway, the Brexit question has certainly brought that decision forward and made the decision a whole lot easier for Honda to make! Arguably, the EU/Japan trade deal only raises the question to investing elsewhere in the EU or in Japan. I think its fair to say, if there was no EU/Japan trade deal, then Honda would have still left the UK but move production to elsewhere in the EU.

Dr Hu

100% this ^^^^^ EU fcuked us over - the bullet between the eyes of the Japanese Car Manufacturing in Britain was the new Zero Tarriff agreement - Japan has absolutely no need to manufacture in the EU now - they'd MUCH rather keep it all in house.
The fact that nearly all EU/Japanese Car Manufacturing is in Britain.... Winner Winner Chicken Dinner for the EU - does not affect them one Iota (the cynical may even see it a bonus to further **** over the UK for having the temerity to leave)
Swindon has been operating at 50% capacity for ages - it only a matter of time - the new tariff deal sealed the deal - KAPOW.... HEADSHOT.....
Really wouldn't surprise me if Nissan followed suit.

dpb

This is was only ever the advantage belonging to a trade block !


but we cant have that can we , not with ze germans at the helm