So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
13 November 2018, 01:54 PM
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13 November 2018, 09:34 PM
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14 November 2018, 11:31 AM
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14 November 2018, 12:29 PM
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Although some maybe push the limits a bit driving around in noisy cars with huge union flags on the roof
(I just realised if Tankie came back, we could meet up and have Red, White and Blue Scoobies!
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15 November 2018, 10:09 AM
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It's as much the brexiteers fault as anyone's
they've seem to believe that we could/should push boundaries of what the EU will put up with
They're isn't any government anywhere that can sort it out
Just have to prepare for as Armageddon next March
they've seem to believe that we could/should push boundaries of what the EU will put up with
They're isn't any government anywhere that can sort it out
Just have to prepare for as Armageddon next March
15 November 2018, 10:16 AM
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Was there another deal on the table that we didn't know about then that was perfect for us and ticked all the Brexiters wishes? It's not like we had a perfect wish list we submit and they sign off and agree with is it? The EU were never going to give us what the Brexiters promised the country in the leave campaign. It was never on the table to start with. The deal we have now is the ONLY option, and truth be told it's a terrible compromise as expected.
15 November 2018, 10:18 AM
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Vote leave was flawed from the start due to all the lies that were told.
Even the promises of the deal that we would negotiate as part of leaving was a load of shyte, and just lies.
Like you say, if we were leaving, it would be on the EU's terms and conditions, not the UK's
Even the promises of the deal that we would negotiate as part of leaving was a load of shyte, and just lies.
Like you say, if we were leaving, it would be on the EU's terms and conditions, not the UK's
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15 November 2018, 11:06 AM
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So it turns out you can't have your cake and eat it after all!
There is no possible deal that is better for the UK than remaining in the EU.
Parliament will never accept a hard Brexit because there is simply no majority support for it.
The level of incompetence on this government is really astounding. Now they will lose their support from the DUP, they are a minority government who are themselves split down the middle. We simply don't have time to mess around with leadership elections, never mind general elections and still negotiate any form of exit plan. Its a complete and utter shambles all because some right wing toffs think they (not us) can get even richer if we left the EU - inbred fktards!
There is no possible deal that is better for the UK than remaining in the EU.
Parliament will never accept a hard Brexit because there is simply no majority support for it.
The level of incompetence on this government is really astounding. Now they will lose their support from the DUP, they are a minority government who are themselves split down the middle. We simply don't have time to mess around with leadership elections, never mind general elections and still negotiate any form of exit plan. Its a complete and utter shambles all because some right wing toffs think they (not us) can get even richer if we left the EU - inbred fktards!
15 November 2018, 11:42 AM
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So it turns out you can't have your cake and eat it after all!
There is no possible deal that is better for the UK than remaining in the EU.
Parliament will never accept a hard Brexit because there is simply no majority support for it.
The level of incompetence on this government is really astounding. Now they will lose their support from the DUP, they are a minority government who are themselves split down the middle. We simply don't have time to mess around with leadership elections, never mind general elections and still negotiate any form of exit plan. Its a complete and utter shambles all because some right wing toffs think they (not us) can get even richer if we left the EU - inbred fktards!
There is no possible deal that is better for the UK than remaining in the EU.
Parliament will never accept a hard Brexit because there is simply no majority support for it.
The level of incompetence on this government is really astounding. Now they will lose their support from the DUP, they are a minority government who are themselves split down the middle. We simply don't have time to mess around with leadership elections, never mind general elections and still negotiate any form of exit plan. Its a complete and utter shambles all because some right wing toffs think they (not us) can get even richer if we left the EU - inbred fktards!
15 November 2018, 12:04 PM
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If we are faced with a hard brexit, then parliament has a vote on the way to proceed: Accept hard brexit, cancel brexit, a peoples vote, extend article 50 and renegotiate are all possible outcomes!
Listening to the parliament debate at the moment, its clear that this deal is not going to be accepted by the house. Peoples vote is looking more and more likely!
Listening to the parliament debate at the moment, its clear that this deal is not going to be accepted by the house. Peoples vote is looking more and more likely!
15 November 2018, 12:48 PM
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If we are faced with a hard brexit, then parliament has a vote on the way to proceed: Accept hard brexit, cancel brexit, a peoples vote, extend article 50 and renegotiate are all possible outcomes!
Listening to the parliament debate at the moment, its clear that this deal is not going to be accepted by the house. Peoples vote is looking more and more likely!
Listening to the parliament debate at the moment, its clear that this deal is not going to be accepted by the house. Peoples vote is looking more and more likely!
I will start listening to the logic of a revote, once Leavers start calling for it. The only people I see wanting this are remainers, which make it slightly laughable.
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15 November 2018, 01:02 PM
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Parliament can vote for what it likes. Article 50 clearly states we are leaving in March, with or without a deal. Only the EU can stop that.
I will start listening to the logic of a revote, once Leavers start calling for it. The only people I see wanting this are remainers, which make it slightly laughable.
I will start listening to the logic of a revote, once Leavers start calling for it. The only people I see wanting this are remainers, which make it slightly laughable.
Fortunately who you listen to is irrelevant, parliament will make the decision for a peoples vote and the majority of MP are remainers!
15 November 2018, 01:07 PM
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As BrownPants says, the UK can revoke article 50 and the EU have indicated this is possible and would be accepted. So it is pretty much in the UKs hands.
Fortunately who you listen to is irrelevant, parliament will make the decision for a peoples vote and the majority of MP are remainers!
Fortunately who you listen to is irrelevant, parliament will make the decision for a peoples vote and the majority of MP are remainers!
A 2nd vote would throw this country to the dogs
15 November 2018, 01:08 PM
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Parliament can vote for what it likes. Article 50 clearly states we are leaving in March, with or without a deal. Only the EU can stop that.
I will start listening to the logic of a revote, once Leavers start calling for it. The only people I see wanting this are remainers, which make it slightly laughable.
I will start listening to the logic of a revote, once Leavers start calling for it. The only people I see wanting this are remainers, which make it slightly laughable.
Only leavers wanted the last vote!
Leavers don't want any vote, and what we are presented with suits no one. I don't imagine the PM wants to go with no deal, because despite the rhetoric, she knows how bad that will be for the UK, so the only choices are a different deal (and it's taken over two years to get to this debacle), remain without a vote or go to the people again, with more relevant questions now they are better informed about how Brexit may look and what it may mean.
I doubt the result would be so close this time, whichever way it goes. At least that is a mandate, there isn't one at the moment.