Will Trump Bottle It?
09 November 2016, 05:05 PM
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Hmmmmmm, the usual suspects out in force saying what a crap/stupid/unbelievable result this is.
It's not. I predicted it at the start, just as I predicted Brexit.
And it's come about because another nation has become tired of being talked down to, told what to think, what can and can't be said, what to believe, taking orders from those who are offended on others' behalf, liars, and those who favour minorities over the majority, and last, but certainly not least, the "do as we say, not as we do" brigade. Yep...socialists.
Next stop, Germany, then France.
Watch this space.
It's not. I predicted it at the start, just as I predicted Brexit.
And it's come about because another nation has become tired of being talked down to, told what to think, what can and can't be said, what to believe, taking orders from those who are offended on others' behalf, liars, and those who favour minorities over the majority, and last, but certainly not least, the "do as we say, not as we do" brigade. Yep...socialists.
Next stop, Germany, then France.
Watch this space.
09 November 2016, 05:09 PM
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I can't say I'm particularly worried about this. In fact because of Brexit, which I thought was a bad idea, a Trump presidency may not be such a bad thing for UK Plc. Maybe two wrongs can make a right. A bunch of idiots voted that we leave the E.U. and another bunch of idiots voted in Trump. I think their choice was easier and almost more predictable as Clinton was such an unappealing alternative; the last few days with her dragging her lapdog Bill around and smarming up to all the celebs with that cheesy grin permanently plastered on her face was cringeworthy in the extreme.
When Obama arrived the best part of a decade ago (When the Yanks probably thought they were electing Dennis Haysbert from '24') it was supposedly a 'wow' event, the U.S.'s first black president. He's been all mouth and no trousers and next to sod-all is any different, so perhaps he has killed the dream/fantasy and they get a dose of Brexit2 instead.
Bearing in mind so much is promised and near enough nothing delivered when it comes to elections, the fact his promises have been so extreme means there is a fair chance of part-delivery on many of them. It isn't a dictatorship so the likelyhood is nothing too crazy (an actual wall paid for by Mexico for example) will ever happen. Watered down, many of the things he promised should be an interesting ride for 4 years.
When Obama arrived the best part of a decade ago (When the Yanks probably thought they were electing Dennis Haysbert from '24') it was supposedly a 'wow' event, the U.S.'s first black president. He's been all mouth and no trousers and next to sod-all is any different, so perhaps he has killed the dream/fantasy and they get a dose of Brexit2 instead.
Bearing in mind so much is promised and near enough nothing delivered when it comes to elections, the fact his promises have been so extreme means there is a fair chance of part-delivery on many of them. It isn't a dictatorship so the likelyhood is nothing too crazy (an actual wall paid for by Mexico for example) will ever happen. Watered down, many of the things he promised should be an interesting ride for 4 years.
09 November 2016, 05:24 PM
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if you were a newly enfranchised ( mid aged) American youd be morally entitled to a rich platter including half a broiled Mexican and all the trimmings
09 November 2016, 05:27 PM
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09 November 2016, 05:34 PM
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but you never do - mm why is that, go on have a look through the EU referendum thread
I did - the other day, I even posted on what pages the relevant sections were
nor do you answer any questions - like what should we do with the EU Medical Agency (worth billions in inward Pharma investment)
what concessions should we make to keep it if any - or let Spain / Denmark have it
but you never answer any
It is abundantly clear to anyone that has half a brain and not in denial that the UK government has not got a fvcking Scooby doo what it is doing
and, ironically it is you that keep whinging and whining when this is pointed out
09 November 2016, 05:37 PM
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09 November 2016, 06:22 PM
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in what way
we were told Brexit was about "Free Trade"
Trump is not a believer in "Free Trade" - so any deal is going to be harder
our world of easy free trade deals seems to have just got smaller
Brexiteers - feel free to chip in
I will accept "Brexit means Brexit" from you so don't be shy
we were told Brexit was about "Free Trade"
Trump is not a believer in "Free Trade" - so any deal is going to be harder
our world of easy free trade deals seems to have just got smaller
Brexiteers - feel free to chip in
I will accept "Brexit means Brexit" from you so don't be shy
09 November 2016, 06:28 PM
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lol, us remainers keep asking you to post examples of us whinging and whining
but you never do - mm why is that, go on have a look through the EU referendum thread
I did - the other day, I even posted on what pages the relevant sections were
nor do you answer any questions - like what should we do with the EU Medical Agency (worth billions in inward Pharma investment)
what concessions should we make to keep it if any - or let Spain / Denmark have it
but you never answer any
It is abundantly clear to anyone that has half a brain and not in denial that the UK government has not got a fvcking Scooby doo what it is doing
and, ironically it is you that keep whinging and whining when this is pointed out
but you never do - mm why is that, go on have a look through the EU referendum thread
I did - the other day, I even posted on what pages the relevant sections were
nor do you answer any questions - like what should we do with the EU Medical Agency (worth billions in inward Pharma investment)
what concessions should we make to keep it if any - or let Spain / Denmark have it
but you never answer any
It is abundantly clear to anyone that has half a brain and not in denial that the UK government has not got a fvcking Scooby doo what it is doing
and, ironically it is you that keep whinging and whining when this is pointed out
Really, you asked me to post examples of your whinging and whining? That must have passed me by, as my being a remainer has completely passed you by despite your claim to have carefully examined my various posts. Can't imagine why you would bother to do that but good luck to you if you've got nothing better to do.
I voted not for Brexit but for remaining as part of the EU, but I know there is absolutely nothing I can do about the result. However, I can maintain a positive attitude and avoid spreading your brand of negativity that serves no purpose other than to dispirit people. At least you can start knocking the USA now.
09 November 2016, 06:30 PM
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09 November 2016, 06:34 PM
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'Brexit means something' is probably more accurate. Certainly a symbolic distancing from a unified Europe almost instantly.
Obama had suggested we weren't at the head of any queue.
Theresa May needs to get her **** in gear now. Her and Putin are well placed to have profitable discussions with Trump.
I expect relations with the Eurozone to stagnate somewhat.
Trump wasn't a politician, he is a pragmatist.
Obama had suggested we weren't at the head of any queue.
Theresa May needs to get her **** in gear now. Her and Putin are well placed to have profitable discussions with Trump.
I expect relations with the Eurozone to stagnate somewhat.
Trump wasn't a politician, he is a pragmatist.
09 November 2016, 06:42 PM
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Thought I'd pop on here to see how upset the liberals are at things having not gone their way!... 
Can't say I'm surprised at the result, but Trump is essentially a product of overly liberal policies and pushing conservative views underground. There's a shrinking middle class in the US mirroring many Western countries, and these people are being ignored by mainstream politics.
This is just the beginning of the populist movement. Think Le Pen in France, Gert Wilders in Holland, 5 Star Movement in Italy and maybe AfD in Germany.
At the end of the day Trump has been democratically elected, so the liberals who are generally intolerant to anyone who doesn't agree with their views should accept the democratic vote with some dignity and give him a chance to prove the doubters wrong.
Can't say I'm surprised at the result, but Trump is essentially a product of overly liberal policies and pushing conservative views underground. There's a shrinking middle class in the US mirroring many Western countries, and these people are being ignored by mainstream politics.
This is just the beginning of the populist movement. Think Le Pen in France, Gert Wilders in Holland, 5 Star Movement in Italy and maybe AfD in Germany.
At the end of the day Trump has been democratically elected, so the liberals who are generally intolerant to anyone who doesn't agree with their views should accept the democratic vote with some dignity and give him a chance to prove the doubters wrong.
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09 November 2016, 06:50 PM
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'Brexit means something' is probably more accurate. Certainly a symbolic distancing from a unified Europe almost instantly.
Obama had suggested we weren't at the head of any queue.
Theresa May needs to get her **** in gear now. Her and Putin are well placed to have profitable discussions with Trump.
I expect relations with the Eurozone to stagnate somewhat.
Trump wasn't a politician, he is a pragmatist.
Obama had suggested we weren't at the head of any queue.
Theresa May needs to get her **** in gear now. Her and Putin are well placed to have profitable discussions with Trump.
I expect relations with the Eurozone to stagnate somewhat.
Trump wasn't a politician, he is a pragmatist.
Probably the antithesis of pragmatic
09 November 2016, 06:53 PM
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Thought I'd pop on here to see how upset the liberals are at things having not gone their way!...
Can't say I'm surprised at the result, but Trump is essentially a product of overly liberal policies and pushing conservative views underground. There's a shrinking middle class in the US mirroring many Western countries, and these people are being ignored by mainstream politics.
This is just the beginning of the populist movement. Think Le Pen in France, Gert Wilders in Holland, 5 Star Movement in Italy and maybe AfD in Germany.
At the end of the day Trump has been democratically elected, so the liberals who are generally intolerant to anyone who doesn't agree with their views should accept the democratic vote with some dignity and give him a chance to prove the doubters wrong.
Can't say I'm surprised at the result, but Trump is essentially a product of overly liberal policies and pushing conservative views underground. There's a shrinking middle class in the US mirroring many Western countries, and these people are being ignored by mainstream politics.
This is just the beginning of the populist movement. Think Le Pen in France, Gert Wilders in Holland, 5 Star Movement in Italy and maybe AfD in Germany.
At the end of the day Trump has been democratically elected, so the liberals who are generally intolerant to anyone who doesn't agree with their views should accept the democratic vote with some dignity and give him a chance to prove the doubters wrong.
It's difficult to see how Trump is going to be the solution to issues you rightly point out
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09 November 2016, 06:55 PM
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Thought I'd pop on here to see how upset the liberals are at things having not gone their way!...
Can't say I'm surprised at the result, but Trump is essentially a product of overly liberal policies and pushing conservative views underground. There's a shrinking middle class in the US mirroring many Western countries, and these people are being ignored by mainstream politics.
This is just the beginning of the populist movement. Think Le Pen in France, Gert Wilders in Holland, 5 Star Movement in Italy and maybe AfD in Germany.
At the end of the day Trump has been democratically elected, so the liberals who are generally intolerant to anyone who doesn't agree with their views should accept the democratic vote with some dignity and give him a chance to prove the doubters wrong.
Can't say I'm surprised at the result, but Trump is essentially a product of overly liberal policies and pushing conservative views underground. There's a shrinking middle class in the US mirroring many Western countries, and these people are being ignored by mainstream politics.
This is just the beginning of the populist movement. Think Le Pen in France, Gert Wilders in Holland, 5 Star Movement in Italy and maybe AfD in Germany.
At the end of the day Trump has been democratically elected, so the liberals who are generally intolerant to anyone who doesn't agree with their views should accept the democratic vote with some dignity and give him a chance to prove the doubters wrong.
And here we are.
09 November 2016, 06:57 PM
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09 November 2016, 07:00 PM
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These liberals have ultimately created a situation whereby the voters you describe now form part of the same voting demographic as the extremists. And those same liberals were still shouting "Misogynists, Anti-semites, Racists, Homophobes etc" at the voters that didn't share their views right till the end. That was never going to work, only firming up the resolve of those disenfranchised voters.
And here we are.
And here we are.
09 November 2016, 07:07 PM
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09 November 2016, 07:10 PM
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09 November 2016, 07:10 PM
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Even Clinton won the popular vote, so like Brexit I wouldn't be making sweeping comments about how democracy has spoken and those who lost should suck it up. It was too close for that. But a result is a result. The smugness in either case is idiotic.
09 November 2016, 07:19 PM
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I cant find him saying front of the line this is all i could find in 10mins of searching
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Y60AY
Of coarse it is posible everything that has been said is all lies and pointless mentioning
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Y60AY
Of coarse it is posible everything that has been said is all lies and pointless mentioning
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09 November 2016, 07:22 PM
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http://brexit-uk-back-queue-us-trade-eu-videoI cant find him saying front of the line this is all i could find in 10mins of searching
Trump's administration is going to be rather busy renegotiating the trade deals they already have.
09 November 2016, 07:29 PM
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A bit off topic . But what would happen if scotland gained independance from the rest of the uk and stayed part of the eu and England left.
Could we trade with england and england with whoever the want
Just a thought . Didnt seem worth starting a new thread
Could we trade with england and england with whoever the want
Just a thought . Didnt seem worth starting a new thread
09 November 2016, 07:35 PM
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For those saying it was an obvious result to happen, no one here really expected this would actually happen. Well, not many people at all. The uneducated/dumb white vote really came through for Trump.
Amazingly, in Florida it was a 52% or something female vote....seriously!!! Most of the Texans in my office were shocked by this and Texas is a Red State!
I just hope Trump does well. I'd sooner he surprised me than for those of us who hate him to be proved right!!