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27 June 2016, 08:47 AM
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Come on you guys, it's time to shape up and get on with it now, this whining self pity is becoming extremely dreary. The UK will not only survive it will thrive having detached itself from the smothering effect of a failing EU. We have never had both feet in the EU camp anyway, and now that we have chosen to step out of it completely others will surely follow.
The fighting spirit of the British is never in doubt but it needs something like Brexit to bring this out. I voted to remain but I'm confident that 'out' we will do just fine. The hand wringers need to stop booing now and get behind the nation's decision.
The fighting spirit of the British is never in doubt but it needs something like Brexit to bring this out. I voted to remain but I'm confident that 'out' we will do just fine. The hand wringers need to stop booing now and get behind the nation's decision.
Whatever I am, and I am many things, and far from perfect I am not a whinge
And contrary to what or other may think, none, none of my posts have been whinging
27 June 2016, 09:35 AM
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Relates to science and climate change, but essentially the same strategy that will be applied to the remaining remainers some way down the road. With enough Whinnie the Pooh memes, Pabenesque appeals to man-up and menacing Warren-style come-with-us monologues, the wall of zebras will eventually become fragmented. Paben switched within about an hour, I think. The remainers, who at this time are still in tact, need a leader to marshall their collective resistance. Perhaps he or she ought to be code named Alpha Zebra.
Just heard a car crash interview from a postman in Newcastle - voted leave
But you could hear the fear in is voice, as the presenter pressed him on whether his workers rights would be protected outside the EU
Very sad - he was a decent man, but I fear led like a lamb to the slaughter
But you could hear the fear in is voice, as the presenter pressed him on whether his workers rights would be protected outside the EU
Very sad - he was a decent man, but I fear led like a lamb to the slaughter
27 June 2016, 09:53 AM
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"Relates to science and climate change"
yes I am well aware
http://www.desmog.uk/2016/06/13/mapp...climate-action
same actors - here and in the US, same modus operandi, same half truths
same "doubt the experts" strategy
yes I am well aware
http://www.desmog.uk/2016/06/13/mapp...climate-action
same actors - here and in the US, same modus operandi, same half truths
same "doubt the experts" strategy
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27 June 2016, 11:34 AM
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"Relates to science and climate change"
yes I am well aware
http://www.desmog.uk/2016/06/13/mapp...climate-action
same actors - here and in the US, same modus operandi, same half truths
same "doubt the experts" strategy
yes I am well aware
http://www.desmog.uk/2016/06/13/mapp...climate-action
same actors - here and in the US, same modus operandi, same half truths
same "doubt the experts" strategy
27 June 2016, 11:45 AM
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JT,
Not sure if you know the film "Dead Zone" with Christopher Walken
But if you do you will understand why I feel they way I do - I know these people
Recently we had the spectacle of Mike Ashley (Sports Direct) apologising for his staff working practices
Apologising for a women giving birth in the toilets because she was afraid to take a day off - in the UK 2016
Warren and his ilk would simply say "good work ethic"
As a history student, I am aware of the wily old soviet general, General chuikov who as the was in charge of the defence of Stalingrad
He coined the term " hug the enemy"
That is why I never ever put people on ignore - and always read the inevitable b0llox they write
You always learn something
Not sure if you know the film "Dead Zone" with Christopher Walken
But if you do you will understand why I feel they way I do - I know these people
Recently we had the spectacle of Mike Ashley (Sports Direct) apologising for his staff working practices
Apologising for a women giving birth in the toilets because she was afraid to take a day off - in the UK 2016
Warren and his ilk would simply say "good work ethic"
As a history student, I am aware of the wily old soviet general, General chuikov who as the was in charge of the defence of Stalingrad
He coined the term " hug the enemy"
That is why I never ever put people on ignore - and always read the inevitable b0llox they write
You always learn something
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27 June 2016, 12:19 PM
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JT,
Not sure if you know the film "Dead Zone" with Christopher Walken
But if you do you will understand why I feel they way I do - I know these people
Recently we had the spectacle of Mike Ashley (Sports Direct) apologising for his staff working practices
Apologising for a women giving birth in the toilets because she was afraid to take a day off - in the UK 2016
Warren and his ilk would simply say "good work ethic"
As a history student, I am aware of the wily old soviet general, General chuikov who as the was in charge of the defence of Stalingrad
He coined the term " hug the enemy"
That is why I never ever put people on ignore - and always read the inevitable b0llox they write
You always learn something
Not sure if you know the film "Dead Zone" with Christopher Walken
But if you do you will understand why I feel they way I do - I know these people
Recently we had the spectacle of Mike Ashley (Sports Direct) apologising for his staff working practices
Apologising for a women giving birth in the toilets because she was afraid to take a day off - in the UK 2016
Warren and his ilk would simply say "good work ethic"
As a history student, I am aware of the wily old soviet general, General chuikov who as the was in charge of the defence of Stalingrad
He coined the term " hug the enemy"
That is why I never ever put people on ignore - and always read the inevitable b0llox they write
You always learn something
27 June 2016, 12:40 PM
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27 June 2016, 12:42 PM
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Michael Mann - The Serengeti Strategy - YouTube
Relates to science and climate change, but essentially the same strategy that will be applied to the remaining remainers some way down the road. With enough Whinnie the Pooh memes, Pabenesque appeals to man-up and menacing Warren-style come-with-us monologues, the wall of zebras will eventually become fragmented. Paben switched within about an hour, I think. The remainers, who at this time are still in tact, need a leader to marshall their collective resistance. Perhaps he or she ought to be code named Alpha Zebra.
The lambs need protecting.
Relates to science and climate change, but essentially the same strategy that will be applied to the remaining remainers some way down the road. With enough Whinnie the Pooh memes, Pabenesque appeals to man-up and menacing Warren-style come-with-us monologues, the wall of zebras will eventually become fragmented. Paben switched within about an hour, I think. The remainers, who at this time are still in tact, need a leader to marshall their collective resistance. Perhaps he or she ought to be code named Alpha Zebra.
The lambs need protecting.
What on earth are you banging on about now?! I was unaware I had switched as you claim (what, when and where I wonder?) but then I've never been likened to a stripey horse before either. And if I were a Zebra then I am quite sure my herd would not include lovely Warren as one of its number.
You seem to be quoting remainers as a sub species to which you no longer belong. I guess you've now turned the other cheek and morphed into a 'sitting on the fencer'.
27 June 2016, 12:48 PM
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Lok, it is brilliant JT
The Dead Zone (1983) - HD Trailer - YouTube
watch it and you will know exactly the point I am getting
The Dead Zone (1983) - HD Trailer - YouTube
watch it and you will know exactly the point I am getting
27 June 2016, 12:49 PM
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What on earth are you banging on about now?! I was unaware I had switched as you claim (what, when and where I wonder?) but then I've never been likened to a stripey horse before either. And if I were a Zebra then I am quite sure my herd would not include lovely Warren as one of its number.
You seem to be quoting remainers as a sub species to which you no longer belong. I guess you've now turned the other cheek and morphed into a 'sitting on the fencer'.
You seem to be quoting remainers as a sub species to which you no longer belong. I guess you've now turned the other cheek and morphed into a 'sitting on the fencer'.
27 June 2016, 01:04 PM
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27 June 2016, 01:39 PM
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27 June 2016, 02:00 PM
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I'm now resolved to resist change and think and feel that anyone who genuinely cares about this will be of a similar mindset. You seem to want to join the ranks of the Brexiters. That, as far as I'm concerned, is a switch. As Hodgy will tell you, I've always been a radical.
Well, think that if you wish but as a remain voter I quickly saw the need to adjust to the result, which meant sucking it up and getting on with it. That seems like the sensible option, the alternative being to slump gloomily in the remain camp and gnaw the bones of a lost cause.
But don't kid yourself you're being a radical. You're perhaps Keeping Calm but you're not Carrying On, more of a stick in the mud in fact!
27 June 2016, 02:09 PM
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Well, think that if you wish but as a remain voter I quickly saw the need to adjust to the result, which meant sucking it up and getting on with it. That seems like the sensible option, the alternative being to slump gloomily in the remain camp and gnaw the bones of a lost cause.
But don't kid yourself you're being a radical. You're perhaps Keeping Calm but you're not Carrying On, more of a stick in the mud in fact!
But don't kid yourself you're being a radical. You're perhaps Keeping Calm but you're not Carrying On, more of a stick in the mud in fact!
27 June 2016, 02:11 PM
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I wouldn't call JT's position radical either, but not for the same reasons you're giving. With Boris Johnson himself already making statements that our cooperation with Europe will be closer than it's ever been, to speak out in favour of doing one's level best to prevent our official split from the EU from happening at all seems pretty darned reasonable.
27 June 2016, 02:21 PM
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I wouldn't call JT's position radical either, but not for the same reasons you're giving. With Boris Johnson himself already making statements that our cooperation with Europe will be closer than it's ever been, to speak out in favour of doing one's level best to prevent our official split from the EU from happening at all seems pretty darned reasonable.
I take your point, but I don't think that Boris is suddenly the fount of all wisdom and I'm sure you don't believe he is either. He's in backside-saving mode and will do and say anything to preserve his PM prospects. No one wants us to cut ourselves off entirely from Europe, that would be foolish, but we have freed ourselves from the dead hand of EU control and that's what the referendum was all about.
27 June 2016, 02:27 PM
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Not one bit, but the fact he's saying anything remotely along the lines of what he is shows he realizes what an enormous hole he's dug himself into. Who knows, if he thinks it's big enough he may well do whatever it takes to engineer his (and the country's) way out of having to implement the referendum's result.
27 June 2016, 02:30 PM
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I take your point, but I don't think that Boris is suddenly the fount of all wisdom and I'm sure you don't believe he is either. He's in backside-saving mode and will do and say anything to preserve his PM prospects. No one wants us to cut ourselves off entirely from Europe, that would be foolish, but we have freed ourselves from the dead hand of EU control and that's what the referendum was all about.
27 June 2016, 02:32 PM
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the problem is Boris, like Cameron and Osborn are simple politicians
they may well lie, or maybe "over promise" as they would put it (like all politician, left right and centre - remember the LibDem Student tuition fees fiasco)
so not really a surprise (although Boris takes it to the extreme)
I am sure Boris is desperately working a way to water all this stiff down
the ones you have to watch out for are the dogmatic "conviction" ones
like Gove, IDS, Farage, they are dangerous - seriously dangerous
they are the types that would drive through changes on the UK no matter what the effect on people lives - no pragmatism, simple dogma and a belief in themselves and their mission
they are 100% sure, the EU had absolutely NO benefits to the UK
it is they who fail the "nut" test
worth posting again encase people mist it
https://www.buzzfeed.com/danvergano/...kl2#.nnQMJ1eYA
they may well lie, or maybe "over promise" as they would put it (like all politician, left right and centre - remember the LibDem Student tuition fees fiasco)
so not really a surprise (although Boris takes it to the extreme)
I am sure Boris is desperately working a way to water all this stiff down
the ones you have to watch out for are the dogmatic "conviction" ones
like Gove, IDS, Farage, they are dangerous - seriously dangerous
they are the types that would drive through changes on the UK no matter what the effect on people lives - no pragmatism, simple dogma and a belief in themselves and their mission
they are 100% sure, the EU had absolutely NO benefits to the UK
it is they who fail the "nut" test
worth posting again encase people mist it
https://www.buzzfeed.com/danvergano/...kl2#.nnQMJ1eYA
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27 June 2016, 02:46 PM
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Not one bit, but the fact he's saying anything remotely along the lines of what he is shows he realizes what an enormous hole he's dug himself into. Who knows, if he thinks it's big enough he may well do whatever it takes to engineer his (and the country's) way out of having to implement the referendum's result.
27 June 2016, 02:50 PM
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I take your point, but I don't think that Boris is suddenly the fount of all wisdom and I'm sure you don't believe he is either. He's in backside-saving mode and will do and say anything to preserve his PM prospects. No one wants us to cut ourselves off entirely from Europe, that would be foolish, but we have freed ourselves from the dead hand of EU control and that's what the referendum was all about.
In the coming months, we will continue to have instability until the two main parties decide on their new leadership. The new Tory leader then has to decide if he's happy to continue ruling, essentially as an unelected PM (as per Gordon Brown) or to call a general election in order to get a public mandate to continue, adding even further uncertainty to the British economy.
Only once we have a new PM in place (either elected or unelected), then can we start to "take back control"
The process of which, means we continue for up to 2 years negotiating our exit strategy. If its not completed within 2 years, then there is a possibility, with agreement of other member states, to continue negotiation, otherwise we leave with no agreement and a blank piece of paper to start further negotiations!Once this process is complete, then as you say "we have freed ourselves from the dead hand of EU control"!
Only at that point, do we stop paying into the EU and only at that point, will we be in a position to start making trade deals with other non-EU countries - a process, that in itself will take decades to complete, while we also unravel the EU laws that have bound us.
All the time while this is going on, there is significant uncertainty for the British economy. But at least we'll get our freedom back
27 June 2016, 03:06 PM
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Well, technically speaking, the public have only voiced an opinion that it is their wish to leave the EU. So far we haven't freed ourselves from anything, we have only created a situation in which we no longer have an effective government, the opposition is also in a state of collapse and the financial markets are all over the place.
In the coming months, we will continue to have instability until the two main parties decide on their new leadership. The new Tory leader then has to decide if he's happy to continue ruling, essentially as an unelected PM (as per Gordon Brown) or to call a general election in order to get a public mandate to continue, adding even further uncertainty to the British economy.
Only once we have a new PM in place (either elected or unelected), then can we start to "take back control" The process of which, means we continue for up to 2 years negotiating our exit strategy. If its not completed within 2 years, then there is a possibility, with agreement of other member states, to continue negotiation, otherwise we leave with no agreement and a blank piece of paper to start further negotiations!
Once this process is complete, then as you say "we have freed ourselves from the dead hand of EU control"!
Only at that point, do we stop paying into the EU and only at that point, will we be in a position to start making trade deals with other non-EU countries - a process, that in itself will take decades to complete, while we also unravel the EU laws that have bound us.
All the time while this is going on, there is significant uncertainty for the British economy. But at least we'll get our freedom back
In the coming months, we will continue to have instability until the two main parties decide on their new leadership. The new Tory leader then has to decide if he's happy to continue ruling, essentially as an unelected PM (as per Gordon Brown) or to call a general election in order to get a public mandate to continue, adding even further uncertainty to the British economy.
Only once we have a new PM in place (either elected or unelected), then can we start to "take back control"
The process of which, means we continue for up to 2 years negotiating our exit strategy. If its not completed within 2 years, then there is a possibility, with agreement of other member states, to continue negotiation, otherwise we leave with no agreement and a blank piece of paper to start further negotiations!Once this process is complete, then as you say "we have freed ourselves from the dead hand of EU control"!
Only at that point, do we stop paying into the EU and only at that point, will we be in a position to start making trade deals with other non-EU countries - a process, that in itself will take decades to complete, while we also unravel the EU laws that have bound us.
All the time while this is going on, there is significant uncertainty for the British economy. But at least we'll get our freedom back
'A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.' Lao Tzu didn't mention what to do if the journey turns out to be fruitless though! We'll see.
27 June 2016, 03:23 PM
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I asked at least twice what way weren't free
No one could ever tell me
I liken it to those Koch Brothers funded tea party events in America
Where you have a sea of people campaigning against free healthcare
Some in wheelchairs some with those portable oxygen tanks and tubes up their noses
Freedom to be poor and sick
No one could ever tell me
I liken it to those Koch Brothers funded tea party events in America
Where you have a sea of people campaigning against free healthcare
Some in wheelchairs some with those portable oxygen tanks and tubes up their noses
Freedom to be poor and sick
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