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Sorry to bring Jesus in to this, I'll make it brief. Yesterday's message in church was around John 18:38 where Pilate asks "what is truth?" Feels pertinent.
Last edited by JTaylor; 23 January 2017 at 10:18 AM.
sorry, the 11am is just w4nked about on facebook - to make it look like it was taken earlier that it was, so your very first sentence is b0llox, a lie and alternative fact
jeez
the editor of Reuters, who commissioned the photo has explained this himself, having seen b0ll0x posted on facebook
look, I know you are a CTr Gary, and no evidence will shake your belief, but as I said up thread - I am just laughing at you lot
you believe any old cr4p - lol
Does the picture i posted and the one you posted look to have the same size croud?
Does the picture i posted and the one you posted look to have the same size croud?
I posted two btw, but that aside
my original post was about the Trumps claim that the crowds "were the biggest", "a record" etc etc blah blah blah
that is contradicted by the evidence, both photographic, and from other lines of evidence i.e. the Washington transit authority and the national parks service
you have posted a very low angle crowd shot that has been hawked around facebook - great!!
and you think, to you, it looks large and the same size - again great
it is the simple CT tactic if arguing from incredulity - facts don't matter it is what you believe that counts , I get it I really do
but the two shots from the same place and a v high angle show a completely different story
Last edited by hodgy0_2; 23 January 2017 at 10:28 AM.
This shows without doubt the size of the crowd . Id say not much bigger than the picture hodgy posted
yes, and from the source you provide
"People are saying the CNN pic (your pic) debunks the NYT pic (the pic I posted), but that looks to be an optical illusion caused by the different angles. Here’s a timelapse video put together by PBS that clearly shows the National Mall was never filled up: "
your own source says you are spouting cr4p
look at the vid I posted it deals with optical illusions
lol, you have to giggle
Trump just bulsh1tted - get over it
we will have plenty more to discuss (it was only his second full day after all)
Last edited by hodgy0_2; 23 January 2017 at 11:12 AM.
I only saw one picture you posted of the crowd at donalds inauguration.
one picture - two photos
Originally Posted by gary77
I don't dispute the claim they were not the biggest.
great we agree - and the Trump press secretary (in his first outing) spouted a load of bullsh1t - and then hilariously blamed the "media"
that was my only point
Originally Posted by gary77
Im only pointing out that the media seem to have put out a picture taken at a time before the crowd had got to full size.
It does seem to be far more packed in the picture i posted . You dont think it is .that's fine
your wrong again
the inauguration started at 12 - same times as the Reuters editor says the Trump picture was taken - read the text from Jim Bourg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by hodgy0_2; 23 January 2017 at 11:55 AM.
So everybody got in for the start at 12 . Ok great .(how did you know that for sure?)
I looked into it and found the time lapse video which cleared it up. I never said your picture wasnt accurately showing the full crowd just that it maybe wasnt .
What is the point you are trying to make with the one picture and two photos by the way
Last edited by gary77; 23 January 2017 at 05:08 PM.
So everybody got in for the start at 12 . Ok great .(how did you know that for sure?)
I looked into it and found the time lapse video which cleared it up. I never said your picture wasnt accurately showing the full crowd just that it maybe wasnt .
What is the point you are trying to make with the one picture and two photos by the way
wow, this is hard work
just read my post 285 (reproduced below)
fascinating news conference by Trump press secretary - Sean Spicer
it did remind me of Chemical Ali - when he insisted that Bagdad was free from American troops when they and their tanks could clearly be seen in the background - lol
Spicer insisted the crowds at the inauguration ceremony where indeed record breaking even though they clearly not - pathetic and laughable in fact it was a clear demonstration of alt.reality
(the excuse was he was, and I am not making this up, presenting "alternative facts")
anyway the actual crowd numbers are tittle tattle and irrelevant - either way tbh
what is fascinating is that presumably they believe, in the words of Groucho Marx
“Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?”
I suspect we are going to have 4 years of facts (backed by evidence) and 4 years of alternative facts - (backed up by 0)
so the point is he is divorced from reality and a bullsh1tter
that's it - I make no other claim
as Petem95 observes I suspect we will have a lot more, this was after all his first press conference
look on the bright side
in just one day trump got more fat american women out walking (exercising) than michelle obama did in years thats gotta be a good thing for healthcare
fascinating news conference by Trump press secretary - Sean Spicer
it did remind me of Chemical Ali - when he insisted that Bagdad was free from American troops when they and their tanks could clearly be seen in the background - lol
Spicer insisted the crowds at the inauguration ceremony where indeed record breaking even though they clearly not - pathetic and laughable in fact it was a clear demonstration of alt.reality
(the excuse was he was, and I am not making this up, presenting "alternative facts")
anyway the actual crowd numbers are tittle tattle and irrelevant - either way tbh
what is fascinating is that presumably they believe, in the words of Groucho Marx
“Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?”
I suspect we are going to have 4 years of facts (backed by evidence) and 4 years of alternative facts - (backed up by 0)
so the point is he is divorced from reality and a bullsh1tter
that's it - I make no other claim
as Petem95 observes I suspect we will have a lot more, this was after all his first press conference
funtimes ahead :-)
That was Comical Ali; Chemical Ali was an entirely different creature!
fascinating news conference by Trump press secretary - Sean Spicer
it did remind me of Chemical Ali - when he insisted that Bagdad was free from American troops when they and their tanks could clearly be seen in the background - lol
Spicer insisted the crowds at the inauguration ceremony where indeed record breaking even though they clearly not - pathetic and laughable in fact it was a clear demonstration of alt.reality
(the excuse was he was, and I am not making this up, presenting "alternative facts")
anyway the actual crowd numbers are tittle tattle and irrelevant - either way tbh
what is fascinating is that presumably they believe, in the words of Groucho Marx
“Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?”
I suspect we are going to have 4 years of facts (backed by evidence) and 4 years of alternative facts - (backed up by 0)
so the point is he is divorced from reality and a bullsh1tter
that's it - I make no other claim
as Petem95 observes I suspect we will have a lot more, this was after all his first press conference
funtimes ahead :-)
Why is re reading that post answering my questions ?
We shall see, my money says the grass isn't actually greener on the otherside and the worlds going to get pretty crappy before everybodys realises.
The grass isn't green on either side when global debt levels are this big - people are living WAY beyond their means in almost all Western countries, but still have an "it's my right" attitude when it comes to social benefits, so it's almost impossible to make meaningful cut backs. It's a recipe for disaster.
Obama almost doubled the US national debt in his 8 years, to almost $20 trillion. Utter madness, not to mention all the increases in liabilities, unsustainable projects such as so-called Obama-care, which just piles further liabilities on future generations. Inequality continued to increase under Obama with the middle class continuing to shrink.
Only such a massive failure could lead to such a wildcard as Trump getting elected. The idiots are not the people who voted in Trump, they're the people who are calling them idiots when instead they should be focusing on WHY this happened.
The ironic thing is many of Trumps policies are likely to reduce inequality, such as encouraging firms to return manufacturing bases to the US, allow US firms with large overseas cash piles to return the money to the US for a limited time at a ~10% tax rate. The next global financial shock is likely to cause massive issues though whatever happens as there is simply no room to manoeuvre from an economic standpoint.
The grass isn't green on either side when global debt levels are this big - people are living WAY beyond their means in almost all Western countries, but still have an "it's my right" attitude when it comes to social benefits, so it's almost impossible to make meaningful cut backs. It's a recipe for disaster.
Obama almost doubled the US national debt in his 8 years, to almost $20 trillion. Utter madness, not to mention all the increases in liabilities, unsustainable projects such as so-called Obama-care, which just piles further liabilities on future generations. Inequality continued to increase under Obama with the middle class continuing to shrink.
Only such a massive failure could lead to such a wildcard as Trump getting elected. The idiots are not the people who voted in Trump, they're the people who are calling them idiots when instead they should be focusing on WHY this happened.
The ironic thing is many of Trumps policies are likely to reduce inequality, such as encouraging firms to return manufacturing bases to the US, allow US firms with large overseas cash piles to return the money to the US for a limited time at a ~10% tax rate. The next global financial shock is likely to cause massive issues though whatever happens as there is simply no room to manoeuvre from an economic standpoint.
I completely agree about why certain parts of the US voted Trump. The lessons need to be learnt..
Reality is soon going to crowd in on a lot of those folks though.
The problem here isn't Trump (as totally unsuitable for office as he clearly is), it's their political system. It's got to the point that you can't get anything meaningful done without so much compromise and held hostage to special interests that it destroys much of the original intention . Obamacare being a prime example.
It's pretty sloppy thinking to blame Obama for doubling the US national debt, as I'm sure you actually realise.
Last edited by Martin2005; 24 January 2017 at 12:00 AM.
I completely agree about why certain parts of the US voted Trump. The lessons need to be learnt..
Reality is soon going to crowd in on a lot of those folks though.
Maybe so - that certainly happened to those who voted Obama in. After 8 years of him as president it resulted in the greatest rejection of the political system in American history.
The problem here isn't Trump (as totally unsuitable for office as he clearly is), it's their political system. It's got to the point that you can't get anything meaningful done without so much compromise and held hostage to special interests that it destroys much of the original intention . Obamacare being a prime example.
It's pretty sloppy thinking to blame Obama for doubling the US national debt, as I'm sure you actually realise.
Why is it sloppy to blame Obama for doubling the national debt?! People need to realise this, yet your average liberal-progressive type appears financially inept unfortunately. They want to benefits for everyone, but don't understand that isn't possible from an economic standpoint.
Maybe so - that certainly happened to those who voted Obama in. After 8 years of him as president it resulted in the greatest rejection of the political system in American history.
Why is it sloppy to blame Obama for doubling the national debt?! People need to realise this, yet your average liberal-progressive type appears financially inept unfortunately. They want to benefits for everyone, but don't understand that isn't possible from an economic standpoint.
Obama came into office as the financial financial crisis hit. If you're going to blame someone for the spiralling US debt then blame Bush.
Obama left office hugely more popular than Trump did coming into office. That is pretty unprecedented. The American people rejected Hillary Clinton (from an electoral college perspective), you are reading far too much into this.
Last edited by Martin2005; 24 January 2017 at 12:22 AM.
Obama almost doubled the US national debt in his 8 years, to almost $20 trillion. Utter madness, not to mention all the increases in liabilities, unsustainable projects such as so-called Obama-care, which just piles further liabilities on future generations. Inequality continued to increase under Obama with the middle class continuing to shrink.
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Obama inherited a basket case economy after 8 years of Bush, debt was already rising, and rose sharply in the immediate aftermath of Obama's election (to soon for him to have had any effect)
US debt will rise significantly under Trump - his stated aim is to cut taxes and go on a government spending spree
Obama came into office as the financial financial crisis hit. If you're going to blame someone for the spiralling US debt then blame Bush.
Obama left office hugely more popular than Trump did coming into office. That is pretty unprecedented. The American people rejected Hillary Clinton (from an electoral college perspective), you are reading far too much into this.
lol, wrote my post before I read yours
anyway this puts it in perspective to me, it shows the relative "change" in debt levels for each recent president
23 January 2017, 09:54 AM
thats gotta be a good thing for healthcare
We shall see, my money says the grass isn't actually greener on the otherside and the worlds going to get pretty crappy before everybodys realises.
