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24 June 2016, 02:00 PM
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If the vote had gone the other way, you would have cried conspiracy! The amount of idiots who took a pen to write their X in case it got rubbed out. Dear God!
You don't outnumber anyone, as far as know. All that means that of the people who actually voted, more wanted out. If the voting age had been down to 16, the story would probably have been different.
You also don't know how it would have gone if everyone eligible to vote had voted. Of course that is true either way.
Quite a moronic view, ironically.........
24 June 2016, 02:12 PM
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As for morons, near enough all the happy 'Leave' voters being interviewed on television are obviously shy on brain capacity, whereas the unhappy 'Remainers' seem almost normal. A conspiracy no doubt?
There is no question this referendum mobilised the 'thick' vote that usually don't bother. They are your majority.
It'll be interesting to see what happens at any rate.
24 June 2016, 02:15 PM
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Its not surprising the amount of backlash given the amount of gloating! If the result had gone the other way, then the same would be true! Its always difficult to accept something that goes against you when the result is so close. If the result was more decisive, then people would be more willing to accept it!
Whats that saying, Keep Calm and Carry on!
Whats that saying, Keep Calm and Carry on!
24 June 2016, 02:17 PM
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20 years ago bellarus where on horse and cart they now make a tractor that can be driven backwards, when al,l the small countries catch up (which is the goal of the eu) big buisness will have to settle and just pay everyone a decent wage, and the quicker the better
(she's in her 80's and very frail).
24 June 2016, 02:34 PM
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24 June 2016, 02:42 PM
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24 June 2016, 02:56 PM
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Yep, the big benefit to me (and it is a big benefit to me)
Is not having the serial wingers on here blaming there **** lives on the EU
It will be refreshing to simply tell them to get of their fat backsides and make something of their lives
Instead of blaming it all on other people
Is not having the serial wingers on here blaming there **** lives on the EU
It will be refreshing to simply tell them to get of their fat backsides and make something of their lives
Instead of blaming it all on other people
24 June 2016, 03:07 PM
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24 June 2016, 03:08 PM
#2502
There is no question this referendum mobilised the 'thick' vote that usually don't bother. They are your majority.
What it did mobilise was the underclass, the have-nots, those who HAVE been affected by the EU and it's myriad meddling, be it by immigration, job losses or daft rules.
THEY are your majority. And by no means all thick. Never forget the girl voting to remain since she thought MacDonalds would all close if we left.
24 June 2016, 03:09 PM
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24 June 2016, 03:10 PM
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24 June 2016, 03:23 PM
#2505
Originally Posted by BMWhere?
I would get little joy from watching England win at the moment! 
(One can but dream lol).
Indeed, it'll be interesting to see how the (non-English) section of crowd reacts when we play Iceland on Mon.
24 June 2016, 03:28 PM
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A dreadful thing to say.
What it did mobilise was the underclass, the have-nots, those who HAVE been affected by the EU and it's myriad meddling, be it by immigration, job losses or daft rules.
THEY are your majority. And by no means all thick. Never forget the girl voting to remain since she thought MacDonalds would all close if we left.
What it did mobilise was the underclass, the have-nots, those who HAVE been affected by the EU and it's myriad meddling, be it by immigration, job losses or daft rules.
THEY are your majority. And by no means all thick. Never forget the girl voting to remain since she thought MacDonalds would all close if we left.
This is not about intelligence, its mostly been about dissatisfaction with the governing classes and exaggerated by the social problems caused by decades of under-funding in our social infrastructure! Not really EU problems, but genuine problems nonetheless! People wanted change and that's what they voted for! The irony is of course, you only get a change of guard in the governing class and the dissatisfaction will continue.
One of the biggest problems with the EU is their seeming invisibility! They do nothing to promote themselves and the good they have done! Would anyone recognise Junker on the street? What about any other MEP? (other than Farage of course). The only thing we ever hear about Europe is what comes from Farage or the tabloid press. This has lead to the government of the day passing blame, or permitting the pasing of blame, for everything that is bad, yet claiming responsibility for all the good things that have come about through EU membership! Together they have built up a "Them and Us" mentality, where everything "They" do is bad, everything "We" do is good and anything "We" can't do is because of "Them". The EU should have publicised itself better so that people really knew who was responsible for the good and bad things or lack of action that affect our lives.
But blaming, finger pointing or gloating help nothing now! It is what it is and we have to accept it and work together to minimise the damage! Hopefully without that smarmy lying toff Farage!
24 June 2016, 03:36 PM
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I strangely find myself agreeing with Alcazar! We'll only partly (see bold)!
This is not about intelligence, its mostly been about dissatisfaction with the governing classes and exaggerated by the social problems caused by decades of under-funding in our social infrastructure! Not really EU problems, but genuine problems nonetheless! People wanted change and that's what they voted for! The irony is of course, you only get a change of guard in the governing class and the dissatisfaction will continue.
One of the biggest problems with the EU is their seeming invisibility! They do nothing to promote themselves and the good they have done! Would anyone recognise Junker on the street? What about any other MEP? (other than Farage of course). The only thing we ever hear about Europe is what comes from Farage or the tabloid press. This has lead to the government of the day passing blame, or permitting the pasing of blame, for everything that is bad, yet claiming responsibility for all the good things that have come about through EU membership! Together they have built up a "Them and Us" mentality, where everything "They" do is bad, everything "We" do is good and anything "We" can't do is because of "Them". The EU should have publicised itself better so that people really knew who was responsible for the good and bad things or lack of action that affect our lives.
But blaming, finger pointing or gloating help nothing now! It is what it is and we have to accept it and work together to minimise the damage! Hopefully without that smarmy lying toff Farage!
This is not about intelligence, its mostly been about dissatisfaction with the governing classes and exaggerated by the social problems caused by decades of under-funding in our social infrastructure! Not really EU problems, but genuine problems nonetheless! People wanted change and that's what they voted for! The irony is of course, you only get a change of guard in the governing class and the dissatisfaction will continue.
One of the biggest problems with the EU is their seeming invisibility! They do nothing to promote themselves and the good they have done! Would anyone recognise Junker on the street? What about any other MEP? (other than Farage of course). The only thing we ever hear about Europe is what comes from Farage or the tabloid press. This has lead to the government of the day passing blame, or permitting the pasing of blame, for everything that is bad, yet claiming responsibility for all the good things that have come about through EU membership! Together they have built up a "Them and Us" mentality, where everything "They" do is bad, everything "We" do is good and anything "We" can't do is because of "Them". The EU should have publicised itself better so that people really knew who was responsible for the good and bad things or lack of action that affect our lives.
But blaming, finger pointing or gloating help nothing now! It is what it is and we have to accept it and work together to minimise the damage! Hopefully without that smarmy lying toff Farage!
We can check back in a few years and see if our number of food banks have reduced, somehow I doubt it, wage growth, somehow I doubt it
This result/win is a very very good result for the hard right
They will see it as giving them a mandate for change
24 June 2016, 03:45 PM
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I don't think I share your optimism, nothing the brexit camp hasdone or said suggests any real change for the plight of the less well off
We can check back in a few years and see if our number of food banks have reduced, somehow I doubt it, wage growth, somehow I doubt it
This result/win is a very very good result for the hard right
They will see it as giving them a mandate for change
We can check back in a few years and see if our number of food banks have reduced, somehow I doubt it, wage growth, somehow I doubt it
This result/win is a very very good result for the hard right
They will see it as giving them a mandate for change
24 June 2016, 03:47 PM
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I don't think I share your optimism, nothing the brexit camp hasdone or said suggests any real change for the plight of the less well off
We can check back in a few years and see if our number of food banks have reduced, somehow I doubt it, wage growth, somehow I doubt it
This result/win is a very very good result for the hard right
They will see it as giving them a mandate for change
We can check back in a few years and see if our number of food banks have reduced, somehow I doubt it, wage growth, somehow I doubt it
This result/win is a very very good result for the hard right
They will see it as giving them a mandate for change
24 June 2016, 03:50 PM
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I really think the people who voted to get out truly dont understand how the economy and trade works as part of the EU and its key central point in all investment in UK aswell as heavily linked to value/purchasing power of the sterling.
the pound is at its lowest value today in 30 years and wont recover fully ever as less goods will now be sold in sterling meaning less demand for the currency meaning it becomes less valuable and loses its purchasing power. new levys,taxes,import dutys etc on the way for all exports/imports which means business will have to pass this onto everyday consumers as a result a lot of small business will struggle to stay competitve and will close.a lot of trade negotiations will have to be re done.
UK citizens living abroad in EU will lose a lot also. future investment in uk will stop completely as companies seek countries in the EU to invest in rather then negotitate 20+ agreements for each country they export to from the UK. scotts and northern irish might seek independance votes. id say UK will be in full on recession in next 6-12 months.About 97 % of money introduced into the uk money supply in 2015 was debt the remainder real cash created by english central bank. the ability to pay all this debt will be diminished due to all these changes in the economy.
ya cant talk about the implications of this result of this in 1 or 2 lines there are hundreds of factors to consider and the lack of consideration will shock the everyday person as the changes come into effect and holidays are no longer simple,prices go up,job creation seizes and some jobs are lost and before ya know its technically a recession again as economic growth stops as their is so much negotating on new trade terms etc etc sorry for the long speal but if you read finance articles everyday and follow this stuff this is going to be a highly problamatic economic withdrawal from the EU.
the pound is at its lowest value today in 30 years and wont recover fully ever as less goods will now be sold in sterling meaning less demand for the currency meaning it becomes less valuable and loses its purchasing power. new levys,taxes,import dutys etc on the way for all exports/imports which means business will have to pass this onto everyday consumers as a result a lot of small business will struggle to stay competitve and will close.a lot of trade negotiations will have to be re done.
UK citizens living abroad in EU will lose a lot also. future investment in uk will stop completely as companies seek countries in the EU to invest in rather then negotitate 20+ agreements for each country they export to from the UK. scotts and northern irish might seek independance votes. id say UK will be in full on recession in next 6-12 months.About 97 % of money introduced into the uk money supply in 2015 was debt the remainder real cash created by english central bank. the ability to pay all this debt will be diminished due to all these changes in the economy.
ya cant talk about the implications of this result of this in 1 or 2 lines there are hundreds of factors to consider and the lack of consideration will shock the everyday person as the changes come into effect and holidays are no longer simple,prices go up,job creation seizes and some jobs are lost and before ya know its technically a recession again as economic growth stops as their is so much negotating on new trade terms etc etc sorry for the long speal but if you read finance articles everyday and follow this stuff this is going to be a highly problamatic economic withdrawal from the EU.
24 June 2016, 03:53 PM
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24 June 2016, 03:54 PM
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Discussing the result, Airbus Group Chief Executive Officer, Tom Enders, added:
"This is a lose-lose result for both, Britain and Europe. However, the world will not stand still, nor will Europe. I hope the divorce will proceed with a view on minimizing economic damage to all impacted by the Brexit. Britain will suffer, but I'm sure it will focus even more now on the competitiveness of its economy vis-a-vis the EU and the world at large. But of course we will review our U.K. investment strategy, like everybody else will."
"This is a lose-lose result for both, Britain and Europe. However, the world will not stand still, nor will Europe. I hope the divorce will proceed with a view on minimizing economic damage to all impacted by the Brexit. Britain will suffer, but I'm sure it will focus even more now on the competitiveness of its economy vis-a-vis the EU and the world at large. But of course we will review our U.K. investment strategy, like everybody else will."
24 June 2016, 04:10 PM
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24 June 2016, 04:54 PM
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24 June 2016, 05:47 PM
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Ftse 250 down 1200 points, to 16000 (-7%).
Coupled with a 10% fall in GBP/USD, this has just made the ftse250 lose close to 3000 points from an international investors point of view, so companies in the UK are 25% cheaper overnight.
Pretty good going, and i hope my pension recovers before I need to use it...
Coupled with a 10% fall in GBP/USD, this has just made the ftse250 lose close to 3000 points from an international investors point of view, so companies in the UK are 25% cheaper overnight.
Pretty good going, and i hope my pension recovers before I need to use it...
24 June 2016, 05:58 PM
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Ftse 250 down 1200 points, to 16000 (-7%).
Coupled with a 10% fall in GBP/USD, this has just made the ftse250 lose close to 3000 points from an international investors point of view, so companies in the UK are 25% cheaper overnight.
Pretty good going, and i hope my pension recovers before I need to use it...
Coupled with a 10% fall in GBP/USD, this has just made the ftse250 lose close to 3000 points from an international investors point of view, so companies in the UK are 25% cheaper overnight.
Pretty good going, and i hope my pension recovers before I need to use it...
8am this morning, the account manager of your pension fund sold shares at (lets say) £10 per share. Not only he did this but many fund managers did this too. What is the outcome? A fall in the price of those shares.
Monday morning (or whenever) once they think the market has fallen enough, they will buy back those same shares at (lets say) £8 per share.
Over the next few weeks/months once the hysterics have ended, the share price slowly rises back up to £10 per share. What does this mean? That they have made a healthy profit on the shares they sold, then re-bought back.
That's how the city works. It's how big business works. It's how the stock market/ pension funds work.
Your pension fund will be better of in the long run. Stop being hysterical man !!
24 June 2016, 06:10 PM
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