HonestIago

I am speechless. Such breathtaking irony I've never seen! The EU is essentially the means for Germany's third attempt at European domination in 100 years. i.e. what Hitler set about achieving...albeit by different means. Just think about it: "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer".

The EU is against the principle of sovereign nation states, profoundly anti-democratic, moving increasingly toward fully centralised control and there are already plans for an EU army. What will it take for certain people to wake up to what is actually happening?

dpb

All those froggies fallen for it. Again lol

madscoob

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eu army yep thats what they want, and i got told by someone (ex services) that it involves making all our army redundant and paying them all, and then signing them all up again how true that is i don't know but just think of the cost OUCH

BMWhere?

I suggest you need a history lesson! Hitler at no point sought a unified single Europe, only to reunite a single Germany to its pre-WWI state - A combination of the Prussian and Ottoman empires - and to rid the German society of those who do not conform to their Arian ideology. The EU is really the complete antitheses of the German National Socialists (****'s), based on democracy, freedom and equality. [I fully expect the standard rant on how the EU is not democratic - but that European parliament filled with elected MEP's and the Eurpean council made up of the member states' elected Governments somewhat disprove the non-democratic EU argument!]

Hitlers rise to power was via populist nationalistic ideology. Following the Treaty of Versailles which ended the first world war, the German empire was dissolved and in particular lost a lot of land in Eastern Europe and Austro-Hungary. There was a feeling that Germany had given away all its power. Given the background of the great depression in the 20's, mass unemployment and hyper-inflation, Hitler was also able gain great support for re-uniting Germany, taking back control lost in the treaty of Versailles and an anti-Jewish and Roma (the main Immigrants in Germany at the time) rhetoric.

The pro-leave argument has very similar arguments, given a background of prolonged worldwide economic depression (2008 vs Great Depression), citing the loss of sovereignty and self determination (EU membership vs Treaty of Versailles) and problems associated with immigration (EU migrants in particular from Poland and Romania vs Jewish and Roma). Nigel Farage is also a similarly good populist speaker as Hitler was!

neil-h

And this is a problem why (ignoring the democracy bit for one second)?

Geezer

I think the Scottish referendum was different in so much as Westminster is still the government of Scotland, they just have devolved powers, and another referendum would have to be sanctioned by them (or at least acted upon, I suppose Sturgeon could call one if she wanted.

Despite what some would have you believe, we are still a sovereign state and could hold another referendum, or just decide to leave if we wanted and there's nothing (apart from making life difficult with regards to trade) the EU could do about it.

DYK

My friend is in Lille France,so if anyone is driving to France,don't think you can get fuel easily.Workers are are blockading the oil refineries over new working laws,that was pushed through without a vote in parliament..Great this EU isn't it..

dpb

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...es-amid-strike

bet they wish Sarky was back

ALi-B

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And the first I heard of this was a minor comment by Steve Wright...,it's not in the news and guess who has to drive through France soon

warrenm2

But apart from that, how was your evening at the theatre Mrs Lincoln?

BMWhere?

It wasn't so long ago that people were blocking the refineries in the UK and there was panic buying and fuel shortages! Both cases nothing to do with the EU but local policies that the government somehow managed to push through despite having no sovereignty

alcazar

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We'll not hear of it here, despite it being important to many hundreds of thousands of drivers who will be going next weekend.........

More hiding of relevant info by our dishonest media.

DYK

I'd keep a watch on the ferry and train also,strike last week in France affected the service,work friend had to get the boat to Zeebrugge.I will also be going Belgium either later in the week or next week.I've been told to stock the truck with cases of bottled water etc,just as precaution incase things get worse..

BMWhere?

I read it on BBC this morning! Wasn't very well hidden!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36358300

ALi-B

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Yep Itv news at ten just finished....not one single mention of it.

Not in France are you? I could do with getting in touch with someone over there to see what's it really like...are autoroutes being blocked? Where are stations out of fuel? Etc.

Is there anyway of finding out if a station is closed? The prix carburants websites shows prices...but can it show empty/closed stations?

dpb

its not in the socialist worker ...

dpb

much
https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/42...s+and+protests


one out , all out

madscoob

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fair play to the frog workers they won't take any ****e from the goverment, unlike our lot who just bend over and take it

Martin2005

Well if it's an anti-EU story, then buy a copy of the Mail, Sun, Express or Telegraph. Bound to be in there.
They are all fine and upstanding publications and definitely not part of our 'dishonest media'

markjmd

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I'm not in France right now, but there's a growing list of sites keeping track of which stations have run out of fuel. Links to the biggest of those sites on this page, but you can also try googling "pénurie d'essence" "stations service fermées" plus the name of the town or area you're likely to be going to. As things stand, it looks like the entire West and North of the country are close to running dry already, but that's gradually spreading to the rest of it.

ALi-B

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Thank you - just what I've been trying to find

Stopping over in Lyon before heading to Alicante, can't "quite" get from Folkestone to Lyon on one tank in the Altea unless I run it on fumes. Same with getting from Lyon to the Spanish border. So obviously need to carefully plan fuel stops....

....or just abandon my attempt to enter the EU (to keep it on topic )

andy97

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I am biking through Europe, thank **** I am steering clear of France

ALi-B

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You will be pleased to note I have emailed a complaint to the BBC about their (lack of) reporting. As I find it quite disgraceful.

neil-h

Very good, that did actually raise a bit of a chuckle.

Now that's get back to being sensible about this.

Lets assume the EU was a properly democratic organisation, why is anything he said actually an issue?

DYK

Is still the EU bureaucrats who have domination pulling the strings,ultimately .

BMWhere?

The EU has absolutely no influence in UK fuel taxation policy - it was fuel price driven ever higher by increasing fuel taxes that cause the UK fuel blockades. Given the UK has one of the highest rates of fuel tax in the EU, the EU would generally be trying push it down in line with other member states rather than the UK increases!

Similarly, the current French protests are against extreme changes to the French labour laws, including an increase of the working week from 35 to 46 hours. Given the EU has generally fought for better working conditions, this change is also not really something the EU string pullers would be trying to push through!

The EU does not have total control over the member states. You have to accept that some of the decisions that you don't like are really made by your own government and have nothing to do with the EU.

BMWhere?

Perhaps if you took the time to read some of the posts on here or even looked under the European news section of the BBC news website, you could avoid making a fool of yourself making irrelevant complaints!

I wonder if you have also complained to the tabloid press about there obvious pro-brexit bias as reported in the Guardian yesterday?

hodgy0_2

you have to feel sorry for the people at the BBC complaints department

wasting their time and our money

presumably the complaint will have to be logged - tracked etc

alcazar

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I reckon I'll top mine up here, should give me 550 miles, I have 480 to do. Then I'll just put some in if I see any available.

On the motorways, there are signs giving fuel prices before you stop. If they have none of a particular type, they say so. Usually.

alcazar

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And why not? They are supposed to be unbiased, our NATIONAL broadcaster. Instead they run by a bunch of idiots, who are patently biased, who squander our license fees....still, anyone can spend someone else's money, can't they?