Haha, what rubbish. Of course the number of jobs isn't finite! Clearly maths or economics or demand isn't your strong point.

The Eu is giving money to Turkey in exchange for controlling Syrian refugees. What do you want less, Turks or Syrian refugees? In fact, we won't get many of either.

As for taking our jobs, how exactly does that work? If the employer is paying them less than minimum wage, they are breaking the law. That is not the fault of the immigrant. If they are paying them what they should, why aren't those jobs filled by UK citizens? Are you trying to tell me that someone from abroad can come here and somehow displace someone from their job? What exactly are they offering the employer that would encourage to get rid of one person and employ another, for exactly the same money? Please, I'm dying to here it.

My brother has to visit a chicken factory as part of his job recently. They were all migrant workers. When he asked the owner about it, do you know what is reply was? "No one who lives round here would work here, they didn't want to do it" It was a **** job, minimum wage, processing chickens.

There was a woman on the new the other morning, about strawberry picking. Again, migrant workers. She said she wouldn't be able to cope without them.

The amount of unemployed has not gone up by the amount of immigrants. This proves two things.

1. They are not stealing jobs

2. The amount of jobs is not finite, but increasing.

UK workers may be losing out to builders who are willing to do it cheaper, but that is called competition.

 

Thick people shouldn't really be given a vote.
Irrespective of which way it goes.

 

Yes! It was all very compelling, but really just the same misleading and contradictory tosh that the leave campaign have pumped out throughout! We can control immigration! We can build a stronger economy like Norway and Iceland! Well, which is it? Norwegian/Iceland deal or immigration control? You can't have both! The amount of patriotic sound bites just made me cringe!

How many Brexiters have analysed the Brexit sound bites and worked out how many are realisticly acheivable by leaving the EU and how many would require contradictory post Brexit policies?

 

Id like to debate this comment "UK workers may be losing out to builders who are willing to do it cheaper, but that is called competition."

Im a joiner in scotland . The only experiance i have of this is from a few years ago . Before the buildinh trade stopped almost completely here. There were a lot of polish workers . Almost all in there twenties . They would work for less than uk joiners were . Driving down the wages . Most these guys didnt have famalies here they were living together sending money home and saving all they could to take back home . They didnt need the same kind of wages a family man does .
Was it a good thing for the brittish economy ?

 

And perhaps they should have their foreheads stamped 'Not for breeding' too, with an established IQ minimum of, say, 120. That should thin the dopes out after a few generations.

 

So how do all these young, single, childless migrants manage to break our NHS and Education system?

 

Martin, to be frank this is one of the poignant posts in this thread.


The only way this country can change is by voting out Labour and Conservative.

Truth be told, the only reason why I have previously voted conservative is to help prevent labour getting back in our constituency. It's a stratgeic vote rather than one from the heart, and I only do it because that's the way our current voting system works. Many people I know who realise this just don't bother to vote.

 

They're on the dole, too. Schrödinger's immigrants.

 

Why are you asking me.and actually i dont think anybody claimed the polish workers did that

 

How does the alternative look, Ali? I recall your penchant for communism in the past, is that still live or is it something you've grown out of?

 

We covered this earlier, all your doing there is displaying a lack of understanding. The political mechanisms of the EU aren't perfect but they are far from undemocratic.

 

Can the remain voters tell me why they want to remain . Why is it better to stay

 

You could posably be right but i cant remember being asked to vote in whoever is in charge of the eu . In fact i dont think the people in control get voted in . I could be wrong.

Can you explain how it works and who is the president

 

You just described Auf Wiedersehen Pet! I remember in the 80's and 90's you couldn't find anyone in the building trade with time to do any work because all our builders were away working in Europe! Emergencies only or you'd be waiting upto a year and prices went through the roof! While I do feel sorry for the guys who are now earning less, this is free market economics and the British building trade has benefitted enourmously from it over the years, with Germany, Spain and I'm sure there were many British builders helped during the Polish building boom as they were entering the EU - I visited Warsaw just before Poland joined, it was unbalievable the building that was going on there - Far more than the Polish workers could handle!

 

Not unreasonable but probably unrealistic. Natural selection fell by the wayside a long way back, these days we seem to offer all and sundry a crutch however undeserving they are.

 

I dont imagine or know of any joiners that went to poland to work . Im guessing but i doubt it would pay well .not enough to send money here and be better off.

And my point is . Okay it was competition but it was not good for the brittish economy . It would of been great for the directors of the building firms getting cheap labour but thats about it


Thinking about migrants doing **** jobs for minimum wage . What would happen if they werent . Wages would go up to get workers and those products would be more expensive . Is that the downside of not having migrants.i dont mind paying more for chicken and strawberries

 

Yeah you're wrong you have to sets of elected representatives within the EU. You've got MEPs (does what it says on the box) and you've got the prime minister, who sits on the European Council (along with the head of state of each of the other member states). They're then involved in the appointment of individuals such as the head of the European Commission.

So no you wouldn't necessarily have voted for the head of the European Commission directly but your elected representatives would've done.

It's a matter of influence. Given they're our closest neighbours, we'd be mad not to deal with the EU on some level (and we invariably will have to even if we don't want to). Ultimately a lot of the issues people have complained about will still go on in or out, if we're in we atleast stand half a chance of influencing them.

 

Only a few minutes left now, and we'll know the answer to the most important question in the UK of the 21st Century...



















... how accurate was the ScoobyNet Poll! :-)

 

If the ScoobyNet Poll is correct we'll be at war by 22.30 and invading someone soon after. I fancy Belgium first.

 

Somebody could win BIG if its right

who put the wager on ?

 

I wimped out I'm afraid.

 

Well you can get 100/1 on UKIP getting a majority in the 2020 election!

If the vote goes the way it looks like it will, then they'll surge in popularity unfortunately and as we've seen with the Freedom Party coming within 0.6% of getting into power in Austria, you can guarantee the odds on that will fall if the result is indeed Remain, as the anti-EU sentiment will only grow over time.

 

spot on comment, thats why they can't get british workers with kids on the dole to work for £10 per hour picking strawberries and spuds because they will be on the £500 a week max you can claim, thats £12.50 per hour to sit on your **** 40 hours per week, who in thier right mind is going to work hard for a tenner a hour when the daft benefits system pays you 12.50 to sit on your ****

 

Nigel Farage has already said :
"It's been an extraordinary referendum campaign, turnout looks to be exceptionally high and looks like Remain will edge it.
"UKIP*and I are going nowhere and the party will only continue to grow stronger in the future."

 

My sad belief is there is no alternative without a severe shakeup of our current political representation. You've stated that I have a leaning towards trotskyism, but it's more fluid than a strict doctrine. My belief is fair representation, and I believe we currently do not get that. Certainly not England outside of London.

With this referendum we can have a fair prediction of London, Wales, Scotland and Nothern Ireland, but England? Well that is a huge Unknown, and I really hope those people have made their voice heard because I honestly think this is a part of the United Kingdom that has been severely neglected for far too long.

 

If we get out he's finished, the UK goes back to a more traditional political landscape - the big winner would likely be the Lib Dems as so many Labour and Tory voters feel let down by their parties.

Farage is better off with an In vote as UKIP have a real chance of becoming the biggest political party in the UK. It's happening all over Europe [rise of anti-EU parties] so it'll happen here too.

Up to now people haven't needed to vote UKIP with this referendum. From here on, if In win, then UKIP are the way out, and support will surge.

 

Because I think the UK is a much better place today than it was before we joined the EU. The EU isn't perfect, but it is what it is and all countries within it have benefitted economically and culturally from it!

The EU has invested heaviliy in regional development, diversifying the British economy away from London which I don't believe would have happened without the EU. When I look at the EU funded redevolopment in Liverpool, it's truely great. Yes, we fund the EU so it may be our own money coming back, but they British government wouldn't have spent that money on regional development. The EU has done much more to close the North/South divide than the British government ever has!

EU regulation has made it easier for British companies to sell their wares across the common market. If a product is good enough for the British market, then it has to be good enough for all markets. Before this everything you made had to be approved for every market with differing regulations, making it easier and cheaper to export goods throughout Europe. Contrary to popular belief, the EU rarely creates regulations, but harmonises existing regulations across the block, so one rule fits all and reduces localisation costs.

The EU also offers consumer protection across the block. We can safely shop online and expect the same protection if we buy our goods from any other EU country as we expect when we buy from the UK. This means we, as consumers, can shop around for the best deals and increases competition and drives consumer prices down. The control international price fixing and market abuse and regularly fines big companies for abusing their positions. EU Mobile Phone roaming tarifs are a spin off from this that benefits everyone that has used their phone abroad.

The also increase employee rights. They make sure you get holiday entitlement, sick pay, maternity leave, you can't be sacked on a whim, and you can't be forced to work excessive hours. I don't trust the UK government to protect workers rights like the EU have done, the UK would much rather fewer workers rights as in the USA where people have few holidays and live in fear of loosing their jobs on a daily basis!

They have done great things for the environment, particularly in marine conservation with the common fisheries policy - its not perfect and gets abused, but its better than anything the UK would have done. Companies are now much more proactive in environmental protection because of EU rules and are developing new products to further improve the environment - The light bulb is a great example of something terribly inefficient that hadn't been developed since its invention and now we have ultra efficient LED lighting which both saves the environment and reduces consumer electricity costs.

And, just to top it off, I love the freedom of movement, to live and work where you want and the freedom to travel throughout the block with no need for visa's and no hassles. Many brits, including myself have benefitted from working in the EU as many EU citizens benefit from living and working in the UK. The deregulation of air travel has also made travelling within the EU cheaper and more affordable for everyone. Companies like Ryanair, Easyjet, Jet2 and many other budget airlines would never have been possible without the EU. There is nowhere else in the world where budget airlines can operation internationally as they do in the EU.

The EU has been great for the UK and for the British people since the day we joined. I'm more than happy to give my 35p a day to help poorer people from new member states and other states that are currently struggling to make them a better place for the future.

 

I got a bit bored about halfway down . Basically you think that the meps from all the other countries are better at running our country than we are . Are the brittish people unable to vote in a party that will give us all the things you want . Or is there just no brittish party available to give us the human rights etc .

My position is purely .this is our country we can run it how we want .

 

They were within 0.6% of getting into the powerless presidency role!

 

Head of State is hardly powerless, you have ability to exert significant influence, but this is besides the point, I'm saying anti-EU parties are surging in popularity all over Europe, or maybe you disagree? Or are you just being pedantic?