I like him but he needs to learn a lot if he wants to successfully play this politics game. For example, C did right by turning his other cheek and just grinning shamelessly. That's why he has been the prime minister for so long.

 

Or do a Trump and just attack and insult anyone who criticises him

 

God, yeah!

 

As you like him so much, heres his moment....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...rs-battle-LIVE

 

News from one of our clients that uses an investment company to mange its sizeable fund. The investment company itself manages over £24b . They sent out a letter to every client saying that in their opinion an exit from EU would have little or no impact on the £, interest rates or indeed the markets. And this report was in Feb way before the campaign started. anyway food for thought.

 

Pretty much any sensible person knows that after the initial blip. The economy will be back on track we will be negotiating our trade arrangements with countries around the world.

 

This economy/recession argument; Whilst within the EU we have seen two proper recessions along with the few other blips inbetween. We've also had a few booms; 80's and early 00's.

So, whilst being "In" we've already had two bouts of boom and bust. Who is to say that would continue be it in or out of the EU? With "In" the precedence has already been set. With "out" it's probable in the first instance too...but after that? Who knows?

 

Well you could argue that the last boom/bust was a direct result of slack bank regulation

And the Brexiters are all for removing/reducing what regulation there is

I would say the jury is out on that

 

Goves again had a hard time but fought well. The audience was more supportive of the `leave` position

 

Having watched both Cameron and Gove's side, I think, despite the obvious hostility, Cameron put forward a more compelling argument for remaining in the EU. Gove didn't really offer anything of substance or gave me anything tangible to take away in terms of what will happen on an exit.

 

Where was this debate held?

 

SkyNews. Cameron yesterday evening, Gove this evening. It's on SkyNews site if you wish to watch it.

 

Ah ok thanks

So a mirror to the Cameron debate

 

For those who missed it...


Thought the first interview bit, he was interrupted by Fasil far too much. At times he barely started on his answer before he was jumped on. Otherwise he came across quite dignified, weaker in some points, but making the case for democracy and sovereignty well

 

I liked when Gove used Paxmans line to the audience on who can name the 5 leaders of the EU. Stunned silence

 

I wonder what percentage of the population could say what the last 5 prime ministers of the UK have been

Edited to add

I bet less than 20% of the UK population can name all of the four highest offices of state in the UK

PM
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Home Secretary
Foreign Secretary

 

Having just watched it, all I could keep thinking is 'is that all you've got?'.

Surely Leave could put up someone better that Gove?

This is becoming absurd now, we're being asked to make a decision about the a fundamental change to the economic future of our country, and all I keep hearing are hollow soundbites about 'taking back control'.

God help us.

 

The UK and others have been sleep walking into the ever regulatory regime the Eu had planned. Our nature is independent stubborn nation which has in the past been a go getter. I could understand your position if we were a tiny nation with hardly anything to offer to The world. That isn't the case the UK is a major player and is Very capable and will prosper outside the EU.

Please don't bring religion into this.

 

David Cameron making a strong case for life outside the EU



There you have it

 

David Cameron 7 years ago

http://europeanpressagency.com/polit...nt-from-the-eu

Yes we need a referendum, thanks Dave. Now look at the post above for his position and the nations position

 

This is what MT had to say about referendums

 

Agree. Gove received plenty of applause right from the beginning, with his 'we are strong, we don't need to be told by the EU what to do' stance. He didn't receive any ridicule from any student either, because he's comparitively boring. His delivery was much more grounded, though. Looks like Lampit Opik's uncaricatured and more intelligent older brother.

Now it all depends upon how emotional the majority is; to get carried away with 'we're ACE!!!on our own' argument or to think defensively and act diplomatically.

 

Very true.

 

made me laugh about housing, the woman said how many houses we need to build to keep up with immigration, i would of loved to hear gove say
NO WE DON'T if we don't build them then there will be nowhere for immigrants to live therefore they won't come, would you walk thousands of miles to better yourself, only to be told sorry we have run out of houses, the word would spread like wildfire problem solved

 

I think they come for work though

 

Bye bye EU.......

 

'Walk thousands of miles' lol

How can you even offer an opinion with such a flimsy understanding of the issues.

 

yep fiddling robbing unacountable need i go on
oh hang on last tuesday they admitted it
European Union: Governing Body Lost $989 Million to Fraudulent Claimants in 2015, EU Report Finds
The European Anti-Fraud Office published its annual report Tuesday and said the amount was down slightly from last year. Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary had the most instances of fraud, reports said.

 

John Major was a tad harsh this morning on Andrew Marr Show and Boris was properly pulled over on his misleading shyte on Turkey. Goes to show that well-shampoo-ed hair doesn't suffice to be trustworthy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ameron-brexit/