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25 May 2016, 01:21 PM
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25 May 2016, 01:24 PM
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Annoying, but what about all the indigenous population who lie to get benefits? If you think that is wrong, then we need to come up with a solution to that problem, regardless. If not, then you are effectively saying you think it's ok for Brits to be dishonest but not for foreigners?
We still need migrant workers, whatever happens. At the moment, not enough migrants come from the EU so we have to take migrants from other countries. Following brexit, we will probably get less EU migrants, so they will need to be replaced by migrants from other countries and probably increases the risk of terrorists entering the UK.
25 May 2016, 01:36 PM
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Annoying, but what about all the indigenous population who lie to get benefits? If you think that is wrong, then we need to come up with a solution to that problem, regardless. If not, then you are effectively saying you think it's ok for Brits to be dishonest but not for foreigners?
im on about 18yr olds saying there 15 and being treated as minors
25 May 2016, 01:48 PM
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Buy you admit it's the system that is flawed but only mention foreigners that are flouting the system?
25 May 2016, 01:54 PM
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there are thousands of people born here who take the ****, thats for sure,
the system needs addressing,
heres my current situtaion -
me and the wife have both worked from leaving school, me 16 her about 20 after university. we have a mortage, and a little boy.
ive been with the same company since leaving school, were both 33
she has the last 6yrs
boy goes nursey 4 mornings a week, the wife worked 3 days a week to coinside, we pay £220 per month for 16hrs a week child care, this inc the government 15 free hours.
now at christmas she lost her job, sadly she was 3months pregnaunt at the time...so we turn to the state like many do, were entiled to £80 per month child support and £70 per week job seekers. thats it app my wage is too much.
now flip that with my ex employee
wife doesnt work, has three kids, 3 bedroom council house, smokes, drinks, has pets. he works part time, doesnt pay his council tax as has an attachment to earnings, so we had to pay it, his rent was £40 per week.
see the flaw in the system????
the point being, those who are un employed tend to be the lower earners, who in the right mind would pay £600 a month for child care when you take home £900 a month in wages, if there was help with things like childcare, more people could 'afford' to work
id love to see a point based system like austraila were we bring in the people we need,
i dont know what immigrants get in terms of hosuing and benefits so cannot comment, i do know that the council get paid more to take in and home non british than british people.
the system needs addressing,
heres my current situtaion -
me and the wife have both worked from leaving school, me 16 her about 20 after university. we have a mortage, and a little boy.
ive been with the same company since leaving school, were both 33
she has the last 6yrs
boy goes nursey 4 mornings a week, the wife worked 3 days a week to coinside, we pay £220 per month for 16hrs a week child care, this inc the government 15 free hours.
now at christmas she lost her job, sadly she was 3months pregnaunt at the time...so we turn to the state like many do, were entiled to £80 per month child support and £70 per week job seekers. thats it app my wage is too much.
now flip that with my ex employee
wife doesnt work, has three kids, 3 bedroom council house, smokes, drinks, has pets. he works part time, doesnt pay his council tax as has an attachment to earnings, so we had to pay it, his rent was £40 per week.
see the flaw in the system????
the point being, those who are un employed tend to be the lower earners, who in the right mind would pay £600 a month for child care when you take home £900 a month in wages, if there was help with things like childcare, more people could 'afford' to work
id love to see a point based system like austraila were we bring in the people we need,
i dont know what immigrants get in terms of hosuing and benefits so cannot comment, i do know that the council get paid more to take in and home non british than british people.
25 May 2016, 02:02 PM
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you guys must be politicians with all this spin,
yes as i wrote my friend sells bogus id - wtf - again putting words into my mouth
its happening with immigrants as they cant produce any dob, any record of age.
your both reading two different posts
geezer - see post 1078 were i say many
see post 1079 about the education thing,
two different comments about sperate items
yes as i wrote my friend sells bogus id - wtf - again putting words into my mouth
its happening with immigrants as they cant produce any dob, any record of age.
your both reading two different posts
geezer - see post 1078 were i say many
see post 1079 about the education thing,
two different comments about sperate items
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25 May 2016, 02:12 PM
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Well I know ( for sure) its various agencies , that get paid by the government , that house asylum seekers , if that's what you mean
And you know what, these agencies will do their utmost to keep that person doing as little as possible ,so they can claim off the gov , charging a lot money for a small room
girlfriend was in this position and refused to go along with it , she has dependant relatives ! and works in care now
I also know she got pitiful amount to live on ( eat) whilst there , and awaiting decision
( not allowed to work , maybe different now)
And you know what, these agencies will do their utmost to keep that person doing as little as possible ,so they can claim off the gov , charging a lot money for a small room
girlfriend was in this position and refused to go along with it , she has dependant relatives ! and works in care now
I also know she got pitiful amount to live on ( eat) whilst there , and awaiting decision
( not allowed to work , maybe different now)
25 May 2016, 02:15 PM
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you guys must be politicians with all this spin,
yes as i wrote my friend sells bogus id - wtf - again putting words into my mouth
its happening with immigrants as they cant produce any dob, any record of age.
your both reading two different posts
geezer - see post 1078 were i say many
see post 1079 about the education thing,
two different comments about sperate items
yes as i wrote my friend sells bogus id - wtf - again putting words into my mouth
its happening with immigrants as they cant produce any dob, any record of age.
your both reading two different posts
geezer - see post 1078 were i say many
see post 1079 about the education thing,
two different comments about sperate items
I believe you need to come back after /with some real facts .
How can they get on any course without id
25 May 2016, 03:51 PM
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And your proof of that? anecdotal, of course.
Meanwhile, the liar that is Cam-Moron was on TV last night again. Took off his jacket and told his audience that if we left the EU, the £ would fall against the €. Well, so far so good...it might...but it might not, it might stay the same, it might rise.
But the lying b@stard then went on to tell his audience that that would, 9not could) cost them all £200 each on foreign holidays.
The assumptions are staggering: that they all go on foreign holidays, that they all go inside the Eurozone, that they all spend the same amount...ALL presented as facts.
If we do vote out, this liar and Gideon want to be first to resign.
Meanwhile, the liar that is Cam-Moron was on TV last night again. Took off his jacket and told his audience that if we left the EU, the £ would fall against the €. Well, so far so good...it might...but it might not, it might stay the same, it might rise.
But the lying b@stard then went on to tell his audience that that would, 9not could) cost them all £200 each on foreign holidays.
The assumptions are staggering: that they all go on foreign holidays, that they all go inside the Eurozone, that they all spend the same amount...ALL presented as facts.
If we do vote out, this liar and Gideon want to be first to resign.
25 May 2016, 05:19 PM
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And your proof of that? anecdotal, of course.
Meanwhile, the liar that is Cam-Moron was on TV last night again. Took off his jacket and told his audience that if we left the EU, the £ would fall against the €. Well, so far so good...it might...but it might not, it might stay the same, it might rise.
But the lying b@stard then went on to tell his audience that that would, 9not could) cost them all £200 each on foreign holidays.
The assumptions are staggering: that they all go on foreign holidays, that they all go inside the Eurozone, that they all spend the same amount...ALL presented as facts.
If we do vote out, this liar and Gideon want to be first to resign.
Meanwhile, the liar that is Cam-Moron was on TV last night again. Took off his jacket and told his audience that if we left the EU, the £ would fall against the €. Well, so far so good...it might...but it might not, it might stay the same, it might rise.
But the lying b@stard then went on to tell his audience that that would, 9not could) cost them all £200 each on foreign holidays.
The assumptions are staggering: that they all go on foreign holidays, that they all go inside the Eurozone, that they all spend the same amount...ALL presented as facts.
If we do vote out, this liar and Gideon want to be first to resign.
Ok, £200 is just some figure, granted, but it could be a percentage of the average spend on foreign holidays by UK families.
And you are right, it could, not necessarily would. But on both sides, they say would when, in fact, they should say should. Gonna highlight those for consistency or just carry on with rants?
25 May 2016, 06:06 PM
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If you are saying Cameron actually used the word 'fact', then I would agree, that is an idiotic thing to do, but if he merely inferred it as fact, then welcome to UK politics!
25 May 2016, 06:48 PM
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We wouldn't have to pay the EU what we now pay them?
We WOULD have the right to deport foreign criminals without the EU courts saying we can't?
We WOULD have the right to say "enough" to immigration?
We WOULD have the right to catch as much fish in our seas as WE want?
We WOULD have the right to help out the steel (etc) industries without being told we aren't allowed?
We WOULD have the right to give contracts to UK train makers, not be forced to go to the lowest bidder..who are often state subsidised by foreign governments.
That's just a few to be going on with.
We WOULD have the right to deport foreign criminals without the EU courts saying we can't?
We WOULD have the right to say "enough" to immigration?
We WOULD have the right to catch as much fish in our seas as WE want?
We WOULD have the right to help out the steel (etc) industries without being told we aren't allowed?
We WOULD have the right to give contracts to UK train makers, not be forced to go to the lowest bidder..who are often state subsidised by foreign governments.
That's just a few to be going on with.
25 May 2016, 06:54 PM
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We wouldn't have to pay the EU what we now pay them?
We WOULD have the right to deport foreign criminals without the EU courts saying we can't?
We WOULD have the right to say "enough" to immigration?
We WOULD have the right to catch as much fish in our seas as WE want?
We WOULD have the right to help out the steel (etc) industries without being told we aren't allowed?
We WOULD have the right to give contracts to UK train makers, not be forced to go to the lowest bidder..who are often state subsidised by foreign governments.
That's just a few to be going on with.
We WOULD have the right to deport foreign criminals without the EU courts saying we can't?
We WOULD have the right to say "enough" to immigration?
We WOULD have the right to catch as much fish in our seas as WE want?
We WOULD have the right to help out the steel (etc) industries without being told we aren't allowed?
We WOULD have the right to give contracts to UK train makers, not be forced to go to the lowest bidder..who are often state subsidised by foreign governments.
That's just a few to be going on with.
25 May 2016, 07:11 PM
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Have they? All I hear from Brexiters is how wonderful it will be as we will be free from the shackles of Brussels, free to govern our ourselves, free from the problems of immigration, free to negotiate new trade deals as the 5th largest economy in the world, free from terrorism wrought on us by being EU members.
I haven't heard a single whisper of how it actually might be slightly more difficult to negotiate than they say.
It's true, we won't know what will happen 10 years from now, but we're pretty sure that next year and the year after are gonna be pretty much the same, and that change, in whatever direction, will be gradual. We also have the option of leaving at any point if we feel it's going in a direction we don't like and we are powerless to change it.
If we leave, we haven't the faintest idea what it will be like after we actually separate.
If it turns out not to be the nirvana you hope, there is no going back. I know you seem to think the UK is some great country on the world stage, and we have the 5th largest economy in the world, but the world is changing. We won't be in that position for long. India, Brazil, the tiger economies, that's where the real growth is. The UK doesn't appear in the top 20 nations for economic growth, hardly an ideal time to exit the largest single market in the world, is it? We can't compete on manufacturing, what do you think we are going to do to stay competitive?
I haven't heard a single whisper of how it actually might be slightly more difficult to negotiate than they say.
It's true, we won't know what will happen 10 years from now, but we're pretty sure that next year and the year after are gonna be pretty much the same, and that change, in whatever direction, will be gradual. We also have the option of leaving at any point if we feel it's going in a direction we don't like and we are powerless to change it.
If we leave, we haven't the faintest idea what it will be like after we actually separate.
If it turns out not to be the nirvana you hope, there is no going back. I know you seem to think the UK is some great country on the world stage, and we have the 5th largest economy in the world, but the world is changing. We won't be in that position for long. India, Brazil, the tiger economies, that's where the real growth is. The UK doesn't appear in the top 20 nations for economic growth, hardly an ideal time to exit the largest single market in the world, is it? We can't compete on manufacturing, what do you think we are going to do to stay competitive?
25 May 2016, 07:11 PM
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1. We wouldn't have to pay the EU what we now pay them?
2. We WOULD have the right to deport foreign criminals without the EU courts saying we can't?
3. We WOULD have the right to say "enough" to immigration?
4. We WOULD have the right to catch as much fish in our seas as WE want?
5. We WOULD have the right to help out the steel (etc) industries without being told we aren't allowed?
6. We WOULD have the right to give contracts to UK train makers, not be forced to go to the lowest bidder..who are often state subsidised by foreign governments.
That's just a few to be going on with.
2. We WOULD have the right to deport foreign criminals without the EU courts saying we can't?
3. We WOULD have the right to say "enough" to immigration?
4. We WOULD have the right to catch as much fish in our seas as WE want?
5. We WOULD have the right to help out the steel (etc) industries without being told we aren't allowed?
6. We WOULD have the right to give contracts to UK train makers, not be forced to go to the lowest bidder..who are often state subsidised by foreign governments.
That's just a few to be going on with.
2. Not unless we are having a referendum on the ECHR
3. Only if we could magically agree access to the EU market without having to accept freedom of movement. There is absolutely no clarity from the Out side on what it is they want, some say they want to stay in the free market some say they want out. This is all just unknown
4. Depends upon 1 and 3
5. As above
6. As above
So you see you're just as bad
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25 May 2016, 07:29 PM
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25 May 2016, 09:09 PM
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We WOULD have the right to catch as much fish in our seas as WE want?
We WOULD have the right to help out the steel (etc) industries without being told we aren't allowed?
We WOULD have the right to give contracts to UK train makers, not be forced to go to the lowest bidder..who are often state subsidised by foreign governments.
We WOULD have the right to help out the steel (etc) industries without being told we aren't allowed?
We WOULD have the right to give contracts to UK train makers, not be forced to go to the lowest bidder..who are often state subsidised by foreign governments.
It was actually the UK government that vetod raising EU steel tarifs on Chinese steel to protect the European steel industries. The UK is not the only country in Europe with a steel industry, many other European countries are also struggling in the steel industry. For the life of me I can't understand why the UK vetod this. The rest of Europe can blame the UK for the steel crisis in the UK!
So, the foreign train companies are allowed to be state subsidised while we can't subsidise the steel industry - can you spot the obvious problem here. Also, are there actually any UK owned train manufacturers? As far as I'm aware all the train manufacturing in the UK is foreign owned. Finally, the train companies in the UK are all private companies. They don't have to buy from the cheapest bidder and there is no regulation to make them. If they want to buy from a more expensive local manufacturer they can, but of course the businesses usually want to increase profits or reduce customer prices, so they will always buy the cheapest option. If we leave the EU, the train companies will continue to buy from the cheapest bidder, whoever that is!
