alcazar

iTrader: (2)

No do-able, is it?

we'd have all the lefties, liberals and general do-gooders screaming "racism" as loud as they could..oh...wait...

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Are you disputing my post? If so, please say why.

And trotting out the usual about xenophobes, looking after the poor abroad etc no longer washes. I've dealt with those...they only stand up when those proposing the ideas aren't being PERSONALLY affected.

So try again...why SHOULD we pay out ANYTHING while our own are cold, hungry, out of work, homeless, lacking medical care etc etc.

And by "our own" I mean anyone who has paid in, or whose parents did/do.

neil-h

Seeing we're on the subject of "our own" (still a hateful phrase), what about those who work for the EU or indeed companies/organisations that are funded by the EU? If we vote to leave they'll all end up in a pretty precarious situation.

JTaylor

There are plenty of decent people in this world who are willing to take risks to come to our island. They're often industrious, ambitious and positive and are the kind of folk that I want to be near. On the flip-side, we have some indigenous who moan almost perpetually about everything and everyone and yes, Jeff, I'm talking about you and your ilk. Instead of looking at your cousins abroad and associating them all with a tiny minority of sex offenders, why not do a bit of soul-searching and ask why you harbour so much disdain for other humans who are less fortunate than you? I'll probably regret this post shortly, but I'm afraid I've lost my patience.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

alcazar the lefties on here are so far left,
if the had a chicken farm they would keep a pet fox

JTaylor

You've no idea what you're talking about. Assuming you're referring to me, I voted Tory at the last election and I'm on record as being very critical of Islamism and the people who tolerate it. Being concerned for other humans does not a lefty make.

neil-h

In comparison to the righties, who wouldn't have a chicken farm at all as they'd throw out all the chickens because they didn't contribute to building the farm.

hodgy0_2

lol

hodgy0_2

the great thing about Alcazar is that he is self cancelling (a bit like that variable that exist on both sides of a maths equation)

it/he can simply be removed/ignored from any possible answer/resolution

he bitches and moans when we are in the EU and he would bitch and moan if we left the EU

he would bitch and moan at a Tory government and bitch and moan at a labour one

he seems to be at the centre of his own very small world

JTaylor

I just think the bloke's unhappy and chooses to externalise it. I've ignored it for a long time, but after a long, tiring week I needed to get it off my chest.

At a prayer meeting the other day there was a recovering heroin addict who totally inspired me; so positive and Godly and decent in his outlook, yet barely had two pennies to rub together. Have also dealt with a lot of non-English workers recently who've been absolutely tremendously positive and funny and likeable. Finally, as I mentioned on the other thread, I was made acutely aware of the plight of some minority groups in Northern Iraq (particularly the young girl) and I think that a man who'd turn them away must be deeply lacking, particularly given that the British were directly involved in the region's destabilisation. Feel quite sad about the whole thing.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

it was a joke but must of hit a nerve,
alcazar has a point though these young muslim men have no thought for white women as demonstrated in germany rotherham bradford etc and regard them as white trash to be used as they like, why invite trouble i say, most of them have no right to come here so why let them, if we do end up infested by them crime rape etc will go through the roof but not in leafy suburbs so its just another case of IAJFEE as far as i see it

JTaylor

Martin2005

This is an absurd statement.


Like JT I'm on record as having voted Tory at the last election. Only on here am I considered to be a 'lefty'. Having moderate views isn't some kind of ****ing crime. I'm proud that generally this country shares my tolerant views, only on here are they seen as abnormal (see poll results for an example)


The qualification criteria for being a 'lefty' surely cannot be just having some compassion?


You are keen to agree with Alcazar when he says we shouldn't be sending money abroad until everyone in the UK is OK, yet you are amongst the first to call people on any kind of benefit 'passengers'.


Anyway if YOU think I'm a lefty, I'll wear that as a badge of honour. After all we need a few 'lefties' as balance against the thick, reactionary, nutters (see, 2 can play at that silly game)


Your position is ridiculous, calling anyone who might actually give a **** about anyone but themselves a 'lefty' is childish and ignorant.

Martin2005

THEY'RE NOT ****ING COMING HERE!!


Why do you keep ignoring this basic fact, it's why there's a ****ing great camp in Calais - because they can't get in. OMG why is this so ****ing hard to understand?

Martin2005

That's just a classic 'do nothing' excuse. We could spend forever and billion and billions on the issues you're so suddenly concerned about, and you'd still have inequality in this country.


It's just a convenient devise you've dreamed up for doing nothing to help people who are in an entirely different order of magnitude of poverty and peril.


Peoples worthiness doesn't depend upon how much they've 'paid in', that's just another stupid argument. Since when has this country measured the value of people on such appalling criteria?


I've paid in far more than most, does that make me more worthy??

Martin2005

Premiership footballers and TV entertainers are ALL also sex pests, using your reasoning


Let's kick 'em all out, bloody pervs - oh hang on they're generally white, and definitely not muslim. Damn those bloody rich white people for ruining my argument

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

are you now trying to tell me that rotherham never happened then because they are not ****ING HERE are they just those little girls nightmares, every one that got sent down was either not born here or was born to parents that where not born here,and guess what not one of them was WHITE or was that just propaganda,so even the judge and jury was mislead you ****wit they are allready here and theres more to come if camercvnt has his way, mind you perhaps he is just playing ball with the yanks, get as many as possible in one place then blow it up, russia knows full well what they are doing bombing syria, creating a global ****storm that we haven't got a big enough brush to sweep up, corbyn would consider your post's **** if he ever read them he idolises people like you, free world and all, no borders, free handouts for everyone COME ON DOWN it don't matter how much you hate and despise us you are still welcome to our money houses and food, oh and one last thing martin they are coming here in 3 years time 800+thousand of them will have a eu passport (perhaps merkel aint stupid after all ) now add on turkey when they join up. i ain't a believer but perhaps jt could say a prayer for all our wives and daughters it's about the only chance they have if we stay in the eu, but judging by the poll on here it's a done deal

neil-h

Nah, they can stay because they "OUR" sex offenders.

Geezer

Are you Donald Trump? Blaming immigrants for stuff that the indigenous are quite capable of doing themselves, and do so.

Here, let me get a big brush for you to tar all those people with.....

What makes me laugh is that you think it would be any better outside of the EU. Who do you think is going to fund patrolling our coastline to stop people? Do you think the French will give a hoot about letting people through if we are no in the EU?

The current issue is not with EU population, leaving the EU will do nothing to ease that situation. The only thing you will prevent is the free movement of Turks, which seems to worry you greatly.

Martin2005

That's an interesting argument, unfortunately not the one I was responding to.


According to another poll on here UKIP were going to win the general election - how did that go in the real world?

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Well, I've seen some facile arguments in my time.......

Let's deal with this one first:
Oh dear, mask slipping a bit there JT. Me and my ilk? If I used a term like that about migrants, you'd be first to scream. I harbour no disdain, but I do want to see those who live here well and safe before I let anyone else in. I know that's emotive, but it's also common sense. You don't buy more chickens for your farm if the ones you have are dying for lack of space or food, do you? No matter how sorry you feel for them.
But let's look at it without noticing that. What's so wrong with moaning and complaining about unfairness, dishonesty, cronyism, etc etc? Because that's what I do.
And yes, both the Tories and the Liebour party sicken me. I support UKIP because they want out of the corrupt EC, no other reason. As a young man I was a member of both Soc Soc and Revolutionary Soc Soc at uni...until I saw the light. It's a great idea, but will never work.

Am I at the centre of my own world? well if that means I'd like to see the country run for the people's benefit and not just for the benefit of a few larger businesses, or to fill the pockets of your party and your supporters, then yes, guilty as charged.

Geezer: you need to read my posts properly. Nowhere have I stated that there aren't already people here who commit assaults and rapes on women, just as I don't say they are all Muslim.

But if you have a disease, do you go out and invite in more germs, or do you deal with the ones you have, while actively stopping more getting in?

neil-h: Why would our removal from the EC cause them to lose their jobs? It would still exist? Or are you trying to get us to believe that the EC ONLY employs citizens of member states?
And organisations funded by? Why could they not be funded from our new found "rebate"?

Here we go again, do-gooder rule number 1, if in doubt, cite that we SHOULD help because either they are worse off than us or we are good people.
But you let yourself down in your last sentence: YOU are well off, so their arrival won't touch you. What of all the OAP's, the out of work, the homeless, the drug addicts, those having to wait an age for medical care, etc etc, we already HAVE??? What will you tell them? IAJFEE?

As for the amount saved not solving our problems, no, not in a few days, but it would go a hell of a way towards them, and help those who earned it, or whose family did, rather than those who didn't.

You are all simply posturing. The very MOMENT it started to adversely affect any of you, THEN we'd see. Trust me. I know. I was ambivalent towards the Eastern bloc coming here...until I saw the damage they were doing to local employment, one of my own included.

Yes, you are all good people....(but JT's mask slipped a little ), we get that. But you don't help outsiders before your own are safe/well.

End of.

Martin2005

Be good to hear your plan for doing this

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

They won, matey, but our dishonest voting rules excluded them.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Doing what, oh wonder thinker?

Martin2005

Ridding the UK of all inequalities

JTaylor

No, Jeff, you moan about almost everything almost all of the time. What are you going to do, complain all the way to the grave? Just give it up, man!

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

I complain of inequalities, unfairness, dishonesty, cronyism, bullying, etc etc.

Is that so wrong? Do we simply look the other way? We don't ignore straight racism, so why these others?

What's that saying again? "For evil to happen........

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

See my response below. Ignoring them does no good.

JTaylor

Know thyself, Jeff.

Martin2005

Yet you're happy to ignore far great inequalities - and as you said 'for evil to triumph...'