Tidgy

flavour of the month, its a small part of a very big picture.

TBH i think its gona be a popularity contest, not a real informed vote

JTaylor

Afternoon, Mark, hope you're well. Yes, it's a little terse and only unintentionally comical. I'll elucidate a little.

As I see it, Jeff is implying that immigration will be curbed if we exit the EU and that because immigrants rape our women, exiting the EU will protect the latter. The knock-on is that by voting to stay in one is giving free rein to foreigners to forcibly penetrate our wives, mothers, daughters and so on. It's demagoguery of the highest order and derserves nothing more than contempt. I'm surprised you seek to defend it, my friend.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

A rather simplistic approach to a VERY difficult problem, JT.

The fact, and it IS fact, remains that your average young Muslim male has NO respect for women and even less for non-Muslim women.
So why in the name of all that's Holy, would we want an influx here?

And when the Turks get the right of travel in October??????

I know of several people who holidayed in Turkey and will do so no longer because of the Turkish males' approach to daughters/sisters.

But hey....what's it matter...it's only women, eh JT? Doesn't affect YOU..
Another IAJFEE, I'm afraid.
For all your religion and posturing, the MOMENT it starts to effect you and yours, you'd change sides in a heartbeat...and you know it.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

But they aren't. We have tried, unsuccessfully, to include the thorny problem of our payments to the EC and what we get back.

Sadly, the liberals keep muddying the waters with oddities and outright lies.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

What, Google tells lies now? They can't ALL be lies...no smoke without firte, as they say? were the attacks on New Years Eve scaremongering nonsense too?

You need to stop with the posturing, JT...we KNOW you are a good person, but if/when it starts to affect you...watch out!

IAJFEE.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

all the speculation about the immigrants and the eu, has anyone on here stopped to wonder what the hidden agenda is here ? countries are like big companies they always have a hidden agenda

neil-h

Agreed, you'd have thought there'd be more discussion on the impact on job's wouldn't you...

JTaylor

I'm ashamed that we have British people who'll imply all immigrants are sex-pests. I'd rather hang out with a pious Muslim than a bigot. I'm sorry for the ad hom., but I feel as though you're everything this country ought not to be. Perhaps if we showed more compassion, we'd export love to these countries rather than foster hate.

Geezer

That is the mentality of most out voters though, JT. They talk about scaremongering from the in campaign, and of course, there will be an element of that, but this is scaremongering on grand scale.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Yes, and its annoying.

That along with the scremongering on both side: "ooo, ooo, but if we leave we'll be under threat from terrorists" FFS. What an utter load of *********.

The facts are severly lacking on both sides.

jonc

Judging by what we've witnessed with Scottish Referendum and General Election, I doubt many voters will go beyond whats circulating in Twitter and Facebook; scaremongering and character assassinations of those who are "campaigning" for the EU Referendum.....and social media is supposed to make us more "engaged" in this process.

neil-h

See this is what worried me when they announced we'd get a referendum. Far too many people will be making quite a big decision based on half truths and lies.

hodgy0_2

this is the nature of the beast

the outers were always going to have a problem (like in the Scottish referendum ) with articulating - to any degree of certainty what things would look like on the outside

it is all on a "best guess" basis

the IN campaign can simply say "leap in the dark" - and it is quite a powerful message, because to a large extent it is true

yes - we will negotiate trade deals etc etc - on what exact terms, no one knows

yes we won't collapse into the north sea, life and business will go on

the problem is that (and this thread demonstrates it quite well) the whole thing is being framed around immigration / asylum etc


which although important is just one aspect of it

the whole thing is a balancing act between pros and cons on each side

JTaylor

Democracy's rubbish. But it's the least rubbish.

JTaylor

Lies and corruption on both sides. Sometimes I despair.

hodgy0_2

yes they sort of play the "milk and honey" card

when the mundane reality is "what is the least sh1te"

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Really, is anyone implying that? Or are they simply expressing justified concern that a far too significant minory of them appear to be?

JTaylor

Re-read Alcazar's posts, Mark.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

There's what I said.

And here's your response:

Don't QUITE match up, do they JT? You are reckoned to be pious and a decent person, but above you have distorted the truth and lied about me, then called me a bigot, to further your argument. You should be ashamed.

NOWHERE do I say that ALL immigrants are sex pests.

But the FACT remains that the Germans are now experiencing a heightened level of sexual assaults on their women at the hand of the immigrants, and the FACT remains that your average young, Muslim male has little respect for his own women and none at all for non-Muslim women.

Like it or not, JT, it true.

And all your posturing and name-calling won't wash with the thinking man.

Still, lets do the decent thing, like Germany did. Then your female family, friends, etc can deal with it. The immigrants we let in won't assault YOU, so why should you care?

BTW: look up the Oxford Dictionary meaning of "bigot" too.

JTaylor

I'm far from faultless, Jeff, so I'll take your criticism and try and learn from it. Do you think and feel that you're taking the misdemeanours of a few and using them to broad-brush an entire group? I recognise it, you see, because I used to do the same thing to suit my own political goals. Look up the word demagogue.

JTaylor

Oh, and by the way.

If that's not a Freudian slip...

Martin2005

LOL


What actually happened was you were presented with the facts, didn't like them, so moved back to immigration.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Not at all, Martin.......the "facts" as you call them, seem to change depending on who you ask.

And the FACT remains that money is bleeding OUT of the UK at a time when we have record homeless, record servicemen suffering PTSD, record youth unemployment, a crumbling NHS, crumbling roads, and railways, OAP's working longer for their meagre pensions, and going cold and hungry if retired, and the steelworks stumbling from one EC positioned stumbling block to the next.

Crazy. Under those conditions NOT ONE PENNY should go outside the UK until this country is properly back on it's feet. And I include foreign aid in that.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

I'm trying hard not to, but the stories keep multiplying. If it were a one off, I could see your point, but it's not, is it?

And I am firmly in the camp that says that ONE assault/rape is one too many. I'd rather exclude all migrants, to prevent one assault, than take the chance of it happening, and trying to pick up the pieces afterwards. If ANY of them can't behave, they spoil it for the others. that's life, I'm afraid. Having been a footy fan all my life, I've seen how that works. unfair? Yep, but it works.

The Dogs B******s

Couldn't agree more.

JTaylor

Not just Muslims?

JTaylor

You're his target audience, matey, so it comes as no surprise.

neil-h

Xenophobia is a wonderful thing isn't it.

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

You'll love this, JT.


I loved those 'language' skits by The Frymeister. His character is a genius conceit.

Makes me ****.

JTaylor

Classic.