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EU Referendum
28 June 2016, 04:39 PM
#3031
I think the only way Britain will be able to trade with the EU if it exits, is by taking in more Immigrants. They are holding all the cards and that will obviously be their trump card they will play. They are doing similar with Turkey.
That the Germans will refuse to sell us their cars unless we take more immigrants and we'll agree? You're crazy.
28 June 2016, 04:40 PM
#3032
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on the contrary, I don't have all the answers
but I approached this debate like I approach any other - whether that is claims of secret NASA moon bases, flat earthism, controlled demolition of the WTC or climate change
I look at the evidence, examine the claims and rhetoric, check the sources; which means reading not just what reflects what I may initially think, but also what the "other side" say/claim - and come to a reasoned view
that I am prepared to defend
I keep and open mind - but not so open my brains fall out
but I approached this debate like I approach any other - whether that is claims of secret NASA moon bases, flat earthism, controlled demolition of the WTC or climate change
I look at the evidence, examine the claims and rhetoric, check the sources; which means reading not just what reflects what I may initially think, but also what the "other side" say/claim - and come to a reasoned view
that I am prepared to defend
I keep and open mind - but not so open my brains fall out
28 June 2016, 04:41 PM
#3033
If the UK wants uncontrolled borders then yes, there will be free trade with the EU. As one of the main points against the EU was uncontrolled borders, then I don't see free trade will ever be achieved. There will be a tariff of some sort, how much that will be will depend on the negotiations.
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28 June 2016, 05:33 PM
#3037
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What car industry do we have? A couple of Japanese manufacturers who are only in the UK for access to the EU market and a couple of US manufacturers that only manufacture a couple of models each in the UK, the rest are manufactured in Germany.
We're going to be paying the same import tariffs on all foreign manufactured vehicles which account for the majority of models on the UK roads. The Japanese manufacturers and possibly Ford/Vauxhall are very likely to move manufacturing outside of the UK to keep within the EU market.
Really, German car manufacturers are not in the slightest bit worried about losing sales and couldn't care less if the UK customer has to pay more for the cars because they know we will still buy them.
You are very much over estimating Germany's need for a trade deal as they know without other trade deals we'll still be buying from them!
28 June 2016, 06:03 PM
#3039
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well where do we start!
that the 350 million saved to go into public services?
that the economic fall out would be minimal (forget the ups and downs of the stock markets / currency the mean diddly squat in the grand scheme of things)
we have lost our AAA credit rating from all the credit rating agencies - which will probably mean our debt will cost more to service
our short / medium term prospect are being downgraded by just about every single financial agency
we are almost certainly heading for another recession
and all that - we will probably end up in EEA, paying for the privilege, accepting virtually free movement of labour - but with NO control/influence over rules or regulations
that the 350 million saved to go into public services?
that the economic fall out would be minimal (forget the ups and downs of the stock markets / currency the mean diddly squat in the grand scheme of things)
we have lost our AAA credit rating from all the credit rating agencies - which will probably mean our debt will cost more to service
our short / medium term prospect are being downgraded by just about every single financial agency
we are almost certainly heading for another recession
and all that - we will probably end up in EEA, paying for the privilege, accepting virtually free movement of labour - but with NO control/influence over rules or regulations
28 June 2016, 06:19 PM
#3041
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They must have a completely different production lines etc
Didn't lancia simply pull out the UK, in the 90's, a decision I can't believe they would have taken if we drove on the right
28 June 2016, 06:34 PM
#3043
Come on, are you claiming that the entire population must vote before a binding decision can be reached? 17 million of those who could be bothered to participate voted 'out'. 16 million of those who could be bothered to participate voted 'remain'. That's enough for me, and a similar process has decided our governments for many years.
Of course if everyone should stick with their original vote why bother doing it again? It would be the same outcome or have I missed something?
Of course if everyone should stick with their original vote why bother doing it again? It would be the same outcome or have I missed something?
28 June 2016, 06:49 PM
#3044
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win or lose take it on the chin, at least you had your say either way, just how democratic would it of been to all 600 odd mp's to decide for us, 600 odd dictating what happens to 46million on something this important is not my defenition of democracy, the people where asked to vote and vote we did, and if your side lost hard **** deal with it
Parliament is soverign
28 June 2016, 07:03 PM
#3045
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Why don't we adopt an Australian points based immigration system !
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7107256.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7107256.html
28 June 2016, 07:28 PM
#3046
immigration should be made simple anyone is welcome providing they can answer a few questions
1 do you have enough monies to support yourself for 12 months
if no go home
if yes welcome but sign her to say you will go home after 12months if you have not found a job
2 no benefits work related or income support for 4 years (pay in before you get any out)
3 you can come here with no monie if you have a company to sponsor you or family to finance you 12months job seeking
4 if you can't read speak or write english go home
5 no criminal record of any kind (proof needed)
no matter what country you hail from all the above rules apply, how difficult does it need to be
1 do you have enough monies to support yourself for 12 months
if no go home
if yes welcome but sign her to say you will go home after 12months if you have not found a job
2 no benefits work related or income support for 4 years (pay in before you get any out)
3 you can come here with no monie if you have a company to sponsor you or family to finance you 12months job seeking
4 if you can't read speak or write english go home
5 no criminal record of any kind (proof needed)
no matter what country you hail from all the above rules apply, how difficult does it need to be
28 June 2016, 07:44 PM
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4, Would you advocate beating them until they speak da proper English , like we would in their own countries LOL
Think youll find the vast majority the troublesome newcomers pass that lot with flying colours - which of course is what worries your type
Think youll find the vast majority the troublesome newcomers pass that lot with flying colours - which of course is what worries your type
Last edited by dpb; 28 June 2016 at 07:55 PM.
28 June 2016, 08:59 PM
#3049
how many have got 23k in their back pocket lol
if they had they would be on a speed boat from france
it wasn't ment to appear racist just fair i have always said anyone should be allowed to live anywhere so long as they can suppoert themselves until they find a job, and not be a burden on the taxpayers of the country they are moving to, i for one would love to move to canada but because of medical reasons and my disabled son they would never want us as a family. we can afford to sell up and buy somewhere there and support ourselves until i found a job, but would be a medical burden to canada so the wouldn't take us, i accept that as i wouldnt want other people to pay for my sons care
28 June 2016, 09:08 PM
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you mean it would be too expensive I presume* , why would they specify no disabled ?
Last edited by dpb; 28 June 2016 at 09:36 PM. Reason: * the healthcare
28 June 2016, 09:16 PM
#3051
but the private medical insurance for being diabetic and autistic would be unaffordable on the wage i would get, plus the company i wanted to work for would have to proove i could do the job better than a canadian
28 June 2016, 09:19 PM
#3052
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wouldnt need to they would fail 1 2 3 5
how many have got 23k in their back pocket lol
if they had they would be on a speed boat from france
it wasn't ment to appear racist just fair i have always said anyone should be allowed to live anywhere so long as they can suppoert themselves until they find a job, and not be a burden on the taxpayers of the country they are moving to, i for one would love to move to canada but because of medical reasons and my disabled son they would never want us as a family. we can afford to sell up and buy somewhere there and support ourselves until i found a job, but would be a medical burden to canada so the wouldn't take us, i accept that as i wouldnt want other people to pay for my sons care
how many have got 23k in their back pocket lol
if they had they would be on a speed boat from france
it wasn't ment to appear racist just fair i have always said anyone should be allowed to live anywhere so long as they can suppoert themselves until they find a job, and not be a burden on the taxpayers of the country they are moving to, i for one would love to move to canada but because of medical reasons and my disabled son they would never want us as a family. we can afford to sell up and buy somewhere there and support ourselves until i found a job, but would be a medical burden to canada so the wouldn't take us, i accept that as i wouldnt want other people to pay for my sons care
But that is not far off what we have at the moment (I fully accept not fully)
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/be...s-a-jobseeker/
Read it madscoob
Essentially you have to be actively looking for work - or in work and paying taxes etc etc
To maintain your right residency/benefit rights
Last edited by hodgy0_2; 28 June 2016 at 09:23 PM.
28 June 2016, 09:34 PM
#3055
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Now they sulking again.Accept you lost and move on.
28 June 2016, 09:47 PM
#3056
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Osborn is giving that ****ty stick to his successor
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36647006
"Tax rises and spending cuts will be needed to deal with the "shock" to the UK economy caused by leaving the EU, Chancellor George Osborne has said.
He said such decisions would be taken by the next prime minister, adding that his pre-referendum warnings "have started to be borne out by events".
Meanwhile Forage said in the EU parliament "you are not laughing now"
Well quite
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28 June 2016, 09:52 PM
#3057
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Based on the website crashing and a 2 day amnesty being given
It was thought to benefit just that age range
Democracy eh,
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28 June 2016, 10:06 PM
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Having watched that exchange earlier I can't help but feel the best place for Nigel Farage is as far away from any negotiations as possible. The last thing we need is someone like that representing the UK.
28 June 2016, 10:07 PM
#3060
Well prob in the autumn after the election
Osborn is giving that ****ty stick to his successor
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36647006
"Tax rises and spending cuts will be needed to deal with the "shock" to the UK economy caused by leaving the EU, Chancellor George Osborne has said.
He said such decisions would be taken by the next prime minister, adding that his pre-referendum warnings "have started to be borne out by events".
Osborn is giving that ****ty stick to his successor
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36647006
"Tax rises and spending cuts will be needed to deal with the "shock" to the UK economy caused by leaving the EU, Chancellor George Osborne has said.
He said such decisions would be taken by the next prime minister, adding that his pre-referendum warnings "have started to be borne out by events".
