Scripture vs. the facts.
14 February 2016, 11:27 AM
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14 February 2016, 11:30 AM
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Frankly, a genuine God believer doesn't have to convey to the non-believers that many times, one way or the other that he/she believes in God, or why he/she believes on God. If they continue to do so, then obviously, they have a need to do so. But so-called 'rational' ones also have a 'need' to dispute God for all those times, and that's a bit concerning.
And also it matches a perfectly natural human trait - people who have (acquired or been given) special knowledge (God exists, 911 is a hoax, Global warming is a scam, the NWO/illuminati exist and act to control the world)
Love to tell other people all about it
14 February 2016, 11:43 AM
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sorry but that is wrong, Christians have a duty to spread the good news, to evangelise - it is a pretty fundamental pillar of the faith
And also it matches a perfectly natural human trait - people who have (acquired or been given) special knowledge (God exists, 911 is a hoax, Global warming is a scam, the NWO/illuminati exist and act to control the world)
Love to tell other people all about it
And also it matches a perfectly natural human trait - people who have (acquired or been given) special knowledge (God exists, 911 is a hoax, Global warming is a scam, the NWO/illuminati exist and act to control the world)
Love to tell other people all about it
14 February 2016, 11:49 AM
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We've discussed this before and it's a fair and particularly convicting point. I'm very conscious of the hypocrisy. I guess I'm hoping and praying that my partner will come to faith before we marry so that we may have a Christian ceremony. As to whether I'm compromising my salvation, well only the Lord truly knows that. Perhaps it could be considered hubris and false confidence that I assert myself saved when I'm wilfully engaging in sex outside of marriage. Thanks for raising this again, sincerely.
No, Jesus led a perfect and sinless life, inspite of Dan Brown's insistence to the contrary.
But then again I suppose your saviour lived in sin as well with Maria Magdalena so you're just following his example.
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14 February 2016, 12:07 PM
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I haven't always been a good person in life my younger days I was somewhat wreck less,but something very special happened to me,it's not really things I feel can talk about openly on the Internet.But I've seen destruction and what people do to each other for,power,money,and domination during my younger days.and it isn't nice.But I'm just glad I've found peace in myself and I know that hell and heaven is real.and Jesus took me under his wing and showed me a different way.we all have questions about life many things we don't understand,but Jesus came to me and I felt comfort,peace and understanding..But don't be under any illusion,God will shake the earth and everything in it.Banks,businesses,religious institutions,Government.it will all be shaken.you know if you reach out to Jesus he will come to you,but he leaves that choice up to each person.I mean come on we all argue about immigration etc,haven't we all just had enough of all the fighting,fighting over land,and what person or persons should rule a country.God set things in place a line,And when he sent Jesus to save us,he didn't expect all of us to follow the bible to the exact word,he knows we are going to walk off that line to a certain extent.its how far you walk away from that line which matters.Jesus will always be here when you choose to come back to him.He leaves that choice to every one of us.But if you go through life and deny him and don't have faith or believe,then he will deny you also..Remember that Satan also has a plan and he is very much active in people's lives .you decide which way you go.
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14 February 2016, 12:13 PM
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'Brainwashed' symptom alone isn't sufficient to de-intellectualise someone. If that was the case, what if someone is brainwashed with the so-called 'intellect' itself? Hm?
14 February 2016, 12:17 PM
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This is ^ the most popular statement/argument I hear from the ones who turned to the Christianity as adults. Some isolated extra-ordinary experience that they find difficult or even impossible to explain; even face-to-face.
14 February 2016, 12:20 PM
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“Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory.”
14 February 2016, 12:25 PM
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It is interesting both DYK and JTaylor have similiar stories (JT's conversion post is worth reading)
Both seem to have gone astray and then been saved
I can't help feeling it is explained by the physical law that states
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"
Both seem to have gone astray and then been saved
I can't help feeling it is explained by the physical law that states
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"
14 February 2016, 12:31 PM
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Yes, such extra-ordinary experience seems to involve 'believing' and 'feeling'. Not all Born Again talk about the imagery they sensed but a few say that they saw a bright light.
14 February 2016, 12:34 PM
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Mark 2:17
14 February 2016, 12:42 PM
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I'm particularly fond of 1 Peter 1:8. I know the "joy unspeakable" of which Peter talks: the salfivic presence of Christ in my life is at times so blissful that it brings me to my knees. I've shed tears in exaltation; a state beyond expression. Ineffable.
14 February 2016, 12:45 PM
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I haven't always been a good person in life my younger days I was somewhat wreck less,but something very special happened to me,it's not really things I feel can talk about openly on the Internet.But I've seen destruction and what people do to each other for,power,money,and domination during my younger days.and it isn't nice.But I'm just glad I've found peace in myself and I know that hell and heaven is real.and Jesus took me under his wing and showed me a different way.we all have questions about life many things we don't understand,but Jesus came to me and I felt comfort,peace and understanding..But don't be under any illusion,God will shake the earth and everything in it.Banks,businesses,religious institutions,Government.it will all be shaken.you know if you reach out to Jesus he will come to you,but he leaves that choice up to each person.I mean come on we all argue about immigration etc,haven't we all just had enough of all the fighting,fighting over land,and what person or persons should rule a country.God set things in place a line,And when he sent Jesus to save us,he didn't expect all of us to follow the bible to the exact word,he knows we are going to walk off that line to a certain extent.its how far you walk away from that line which matters.Jesus will always be here when you choose to come back to him.He leaves that choice to every one of us.But if you go through life and deny him and don't have faith or believe,then he will deny you also..Remember that Satan also has a plan and he is very much active in people's lives .you decide which way you go.
His similar reasons are here:
https://www.scoobynet.com/1019401-go...l#post11622643
One would still be understandably curious in the switch that flicked in some wonderful moment when everything miraculously changed for you. As James Taylor has provided the justification for such to be beyond words, I understand that you may not be able to share your personal experience of the phenomenon.
14 February 2016, 03:23 PM
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The King James version of the New Testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the Church of England.There were(and still are)no original texts to translate.The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last apostle died.There are over 8000 of these old manuscripts,with no two alike.The King James translaters used none of these,anyway.Instead,they edited previous translations to create a version their king and parliament would approve. So 21st century christians believe the "Word of God" Is a book edited in the 17th century from 16 century translations of 8000 contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st century Thats not faith thats insanity
14 February 2016, 03:48 PM
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The King James version of the New Testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the Church of England.There were(and still are)no original texts to translate.The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last apostle died.There are over 8000 of these old manuscripts,with no two alike.The King James translaters used none of these,anyway.Instead,they edited previous translations to create a version their king and parliament would approve. So 21st century christians believe the "Word of God" Is a book edited in the 17th century from 16 century translations of 8000 contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st century Thats not faith thats insanity
14 February 2016, 04:12 PM
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Didn't know Paben was an army lad. Although a soldier has to conform, but is the purpose for this conforming an earthy one or an airy-fairy one?
'Brainwashed' symptom alone isn't sufficient to de-intellectualise someone. If that was the case, what if someone is brainwashed with the so-called 'intellect' itself? Hm?
'Brainwashed' symptom alone isn't sufficient to de-intellectualise someone. If that was the case, what if someone is brainwashed with the so-called 'intellect' itself? Hm?
I think people (myself included in the past) confuse intelligence with intellectual, being an intellectual does not make you intelligent, it just means you read a lot of books and remembered what was written, are able to regurgitate it, the more you are able to do this, the more society perceives a person to be intelligent.
As for brain washing, most struggle to realise or admit that we are all brain washed, some people see it and step away, others embrace it thinking it makes them intelligent, but it's about conforming and suppression of free will and independent thought whilst giving the impression of us all having both.
JT was "Educated" very well, then he began to question, rebelled, discovered he wasn't very intelligent as he was unable to work it out for himself, went back to what he knew "school" to find the answers to his questions and has now sought refuge in the bible and despite the glaringly obvious failings of the "religious" argument he still refuses to see the reality and chooses to hide behind "Faith" while still being a sinner, so in effect he's just like the rest of us and will burn in hell or be god less for eternity, regardless of how much he protests.
It's not an attack by the way, it's just an observation of the way people wax lyrical about religion yet lack the courage of their conviction, I've seen it all my life, also funny how the biggest sinners turn to religion to somehow absolve themselves of any wrong doing.
14 February 2016, 04:17 PM
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Peace-and-friendship is an unrealistic expectation, if you consider someone disputing your belief as a violation of such.That's not what I meant. I meant that if God's being in any size, shape of form is nonsense to some, then their never ending 'same shyte, different day' arguments against that 'same shyte, different day' nonsense seems nonsense, too.
Frankly, a genuine God believer doesn't have to convey to the non-believers that many times, one way or the other that he/she believes in God, or why he/she believes on God. If they continue to do so, then obviously, they have a need to do so. But so-called 'rational' ones also have a 'need' to dispute God for all those times, and that's a bit concerning.
Frankly, a genuine God believer doesn't have to convey to the non-believers that many times, one way or the other that he/she believes in God, or why he/she believes on God. If they continue to do so, then obviously, they have a need to do so. But so-called 'rational' ones also have a 'need' to dispute God for all those times, and that's a bit concerning.
I know what you mean
14 February 2016, 04:25 PM
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Something in the other thread that JT linked to led me to believe that's the case, but I may be wrong.
I think people (myself included in the past) confuse intelligence with intellectual, being an intellectual does not make you intelligent, it just means you read a lot of books and remembered what was written, are able to regurgitate it, the more you are able to do this, the more society perceives a person to be intelligent.
As for brain washing, most struggle to realise or admit that we are all brain washed, some people see it and step away, others embrace it thinking it makes them intelligent, but it's about conforming and suppression of free will and independent thought whilst giving the impression of us all having both.
JT was "Educated" very well, then he began to question, rebelled, discovered he wasn't very intelligent as he was unable to work it out for himself, went back to what he knew "school" to find the answers to his questions and has now sought refuge in the bible and despite the glaringly obvious failings of the "religious" argument he still refuses to see the reality and chooses to hide behind "Faith" while still being a sinner, so in effect he's just like the rest of us and will burn in hell or be god less for eternity, regardless of how much he protests.
It's not an attack by the way, it's just an observation of the way people wax lyrical about religion yet lack the courage of their conviction, I've seen it all my life, also funny how the biggest sinners turn to religion to somehow absolve themselves of any wrong doing.
I think people (myself included in the past) confuse intelligence with intellectual, being an intellectual does not make you intelligent, it just means you read a lot of books and remembered what was written, are able to regurgitate it, the more you are able to do this, the more society perceives a person to be intelligent.
As for brain washing, most struggle to realise or admit that we are all brain washed, some people see it and step away, others embrace it thinking it makes them intelligent, but it's about conforming and suppression of free will and independent thought whilst giving the impression of us all having both.
JT was "Educated" very well, then he began to question, rebelled, discovered he wasn't very intelligent as he was unable to work it out for himself, went back to what he knew "school" to find the answers to his questions and has now sought refuge in the bible and despite the glaringly obvious failings of the "religious" argument he still refuses to see the reality and chooses to hide behind "Faith" while still being a sinner, so in effect he's just like the rest of us and will burn in hell or be god less for eternity, regardless of how much he protests.
It's not an attack by the way, it's just an observation of the way people wax lyrical about religion yet lack the courage of their conviction, I've seen it all my life, also funny how the biggest sinners turn to religion to somehow absolve themselves of any wrong doing.
Totally agree. .
Doesn't seem like the actions of an intellectual or intelligent person to me.
14 February 2016, 06:28 PM
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Something in the other thread that JT linked to led me to believe that's the case, but I may be wrong.
I think people (myself included in the past) confuse intelligence with intellectual, being an intellectual does not make you intelligent, it just means you read a lot of books and remembered what was written, are able to regurgitate it, the more you are able to do this, the more society perceives a person to be intelligent.
As for brain washing, most struggle to realise or admit that we are all brain washed, some people see it and step away, others embrace it thinking it makes them intelligent, but it's about conforming and suppression of free will and independent thought whilst giving the impression of us all having both.
JT was "Educated" very well, then he began to question, rebelled, discovered he wasn't very intelligent as he was unable to work it out for himself, went back to what he knew "school" to find the answers to his questions and has now sought refuge in the bible and despite the glaringly obvious failings of the "religious" argument he still refuses to see the reality and chooses to hide behind "Faith" while still being a sinner, so in effect he's just like the rest of us and will burn in hell or be god less for eternity, regardless of how much he protests.
It's not an attack by the way, it's just an observation of the way people wax lyrical about religion yet lack the courage of their conviction, I've seen it all my life, also funny how the biggest sinners turn to religion to somehow absolve themselves of any wrong doing.
I think people (myself included in the past) confuse intelligence with intellectual, being an intellectual does not make you intelligent, it just means you read a lot of books and remembered what was written, are able to regurgitate it, the more you are able to do this, the more society perceives a person to be intelligent.
As for brain washing, most struggle to realise or admit that we are all brain washed, some people see it and step away, others embrace it thinking it makes them intelligent, but it's about conforming and suppression of free will and independent thought whilst giving the impression of us all having both.
JT was "Educated" very well, then he began to question, rebelled, discovered he wasn't very intelligent as he was unable to work it out for himself, went back to what he knew "school" to find the answers to his questions and has now sought refuge in the bible and despite the glaringly obvious failings of the "religious" argument he still refuses to see the reality and chooses to hide behind "Faith" while still being a sinner, so in effect he's just like the rest of us and will burn in hell or be god less for eternity, regardless of how much he protests.
It's not an attack by the way, it's just an observation of the way people wax lyrical about religion yet lack the courage of their conviction, I've seen it all my life, also funny how the biggest sinners turn to religion to somehow absolve themselves of any wrong doing.
14 February 2016, 06:59 PM
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14 February 2016, 07:00 PM
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14 February 2016, 07:27 PM
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JT was "Educated" very well, then he began to question, rebelled, discovered he wasn't very intelligent as he was unable to work it out for himself, went back to what he knew "school" to find the answers to his questions and has now sought refuge in the bible and despite the glaringly obvious failings of the "religious" argument he still refuses to see the reality and chooses to hide behind "Faith" while still being a sinner, so in effect he's just like the rest of us and will burn in hell or be god less for eternity, regardless of how much he protests.
I personally find that a very similar statement can be applied to a lot of atheists, they aren't intelligent enough to actually formulate a proper argument so they default back to the so called 'facts and logic'. Without ever actually addressing the point.
14 February 2016, 07:53 PM
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That's pretty much it (to my mind anyway).
I personally find that a very similar statement can be applied to a lot of atheists, they aren't intelligent enough to actually formulate a proper argument so they default back to the so called 'facts and logic'. Without ever actually addressing the point.
I personally find that a very similar statement can be applied to a lot of atheists, they aren't intelligent enough to actually formulate a proper argument so they default back to the so called 'facts and logic'. Without ever actually addressing the point.