Scripture vs. the facts.
13 February 2016, 07:54 PM
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Since when Anything ever forced down your throat ? Jesus gives you free will and choice.. 👍
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13 February 2016, 08:10 PM
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Hey,can you not believe in God and love fast cars?,or is that something I don't know about ?!
Can't see I have read a post forcing anything down anyone's throat,just a rather angry response
lol .I believe in God,I like the Alfa 4c too.>Funnily enough,most Italian car lovers and Italians would have a smile at us lot
13 February 2016, 08:10 PM
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Yet all the people who were tortured by the ***** and didn't betray the resistance or their country are not altruistic?
James, you were one of the most interesting and intelligent posters to have graced Scoobynet, but you really have lost your way. However, as long as you are happy, I wish you all the best.
James, you were one of the most interesting and intelligent posters to have graced Scoobynet, but you really have lost your way. However, as long as you are happy, I wish you all the best.
13 February 2016, 08:14 PM
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It is true.And I have no idea where there should be two sides to a scenario where everyone wants peace and friendship.In fact the whole world needs a think now and again
13 February 2016, 08:58 PM
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Yes, I'm conscious of cultural influences and the effects of socialisation. In a Christian context, a seed was sown in my formative years. The subsequent potential for growth is alluded to throughout scripture. The paradox is that which exists between my own free will, the sovereignty of God and the interplay and tension between the two. Before I leapt to faith I would have said that I 'selected' Christianity from a smorgasbord of faiths and philosophies, but when I landed safely on the other side I looked back and could clearly see that it was God's sovereignty that led me, providentially and by grace, back in to His arms. An atheist would describe this as a fluke. I'm not an atheist.
13 February 2016, 09:12 PM
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Yes, I'm conscious of cultural influences and the effects of socialisation. In a Christian context, a seed was sown in my formative years. The subsequent potential for growth is alluded to throughout scripture. The paradox is that which exists between my own free will, the sovereignty of God and the interplay and tension between the two. Before I leapt to faith I would have said that I 'selected' Christianity from a smorgasbord of faiths and philosophies, but when I landed safely on the other side I looked back and could clearly see that it was God's sovereignty that led me, providentially and by grace, back in to His arms. An atheist would describe this as a fluke. I'm not an atheist.
But surely Christianity 'selected' you because you were drenched in its preachings from childhood, as I was. Had you been raised in any other faith and then lapsed, it's probable that you would have returned to your original faith, not another. So you didn't find Christianity, you rediscovered it. This is not an accusation just an observation.
13 February 2016, 09:26 PM
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But surely Christianity 'selected' you because you were drenched in its preachings from childhood, as I was. Had you been raised in any other faith and then lapsed, it's probable that you would have returned to your original faith, not another. So you didn't find Christianity, you rediscovered it. This is not an accusation just an observation.
As an aside, I'm reminded of the story of the prodigal son.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...uke+15%3A11-32
13 February 2016, 09:35 PM
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Oh, I understand your point completely, Paben, but as a theist and at risk of labouring my position, I accept that I was saved by the grace of God. It was His sovereignty and providence that placed me in His kingdom.
As an aside, I'm reminded of the story of the prodigal son.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...uke+15%3A11-32
As an aside, I'm reminded of the story of the prodigal son.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...uke+15%3A11-32
Of course you understand my point, but perhaps you are side stepping the implications of it. You were saved by the grace of God, but for the sake of clarity you might now have been extolling the teachings of the Koran had your early experiences been those of Islam instead of Christianity. Is that not so?
13 February 2016, 09:42 PM
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Of course you understand my point, but perhaps you are side stepping the implications of it. You were saved by the grace of God, but for the sake of clarity you might now have been extolling the teachings of the Koran had your early experiences been those of Islam instead of Christianity. Is that not so?
13 February 2016, 10:08 PM
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Do not understand why the whole world makes being nice so blooming difficult.lol
13 February 2016, 10:26 PM
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On your point about whether I think Jesus did anything, no, I do not believe he ever existed, and if a man did at that time who later became the Jesus myth, he certainly wasn't the son of any god imagined by humankind, so it is somewhat difficult for me to think Jesus is responsible for anything.
The myth of Jesus and some of the people who follow that myth have been responsible for plenty of misery, though.
13 February 2016, 10:34 PM
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Of course you understand my point, but perhaps you are side stepping the implications of it. You were saved by the grace of God, but for the sake of clarity you might now have been extolling the teachings of the Koran had your early experiences been those of Islam instead of Christianity. Is that not so?
And also, if anyone had not have been taught scripture (of any kind) from birth then they would have no concept whatsoever of what a deity even is (from our perspective, obviously). I'm willing to bet that any remaining civilisations that haven't been force fed any of this hogwash have never felt 'his' presence in much the same way that they have never been touched by the FSM's noodly appendages.
14 February 2016, 01:28 AM
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14 February 2016, 02:57 AM
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I believe in God,but I despair at those who want a fight over it.lol
Chill ,non believers.Be happy with your choice .It isn't a problem and no one forces anything on anyone.
Just be happy
Chill ,non believers.Be happy with your choice .It isn't a problem
and no one forces anything on anyone.Just be happy
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14 February 2016, 07:50 AM
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14 February 2016, 09:14 AM
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If jesus returned today it surely would be the end of days. As jesus said many will come before me claiming to be me.And yes Christians some are not prepared,and nobody knows the last day,Jesus said only my father knows the hour and time.So don't listen to rubbish about 2012 the end of the world etc,because only God knows the last day.the church is corrupt also it's lost it's way.Don't look look for safety in money,or buisness,or government etc because .god will shake it all.As jesus said my people are destroyed through lack of knowledge,not because the knowledge isn't provided to them,but because they choose not to learn it.
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14 February 2016, 09:24 AM
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After watching the England batting collapse.....Morgan out for 2 I think :-(
14 February 2016, 10:58 AM
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Of course you understand my point, but perhaps you are side stepping the implications of it. You were saved by the grace of God, but for the sake of clarity you might now have been extolling the teachings of the Koran had your early experiences been those of Islam instead of Christianity. Is that not so?
14 February 2016, 10:59 AM
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Frankly, a genuine God believer doesn't have to convey to the non-believers that many times, one way or the other that he/she believes in God, or why he/she believes on God. If they continue to do so, then obviously, they have a need to do so. But so-called 'rational' ones also have a 'need' to dispute God for all those times, and that's a bit concerning.
14 February 2016, 11:01 AM
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What I really don't understand is that out of the last 2016 years,it has perhaps only been in the last 20 years (since the introduction of Sunday shopping,the internet,I-pads and mobile phones) that beliefs have disappeared.
Obviously downloading apps,going to Halfords and surfing Scoobynet more important to people now.lol
Obviously downloading apps,going to Halfords and surfing Scoobynet more important to people now.lol