JackClark

Only a fool would turn down the offer of free online backups and web based access to your photos, email, messages that sort of thing.

dpb

The type that got hacked last summer ??

JackClark

If by that you mean some people were phished for their password but because it was Apple the pitchforks came out then yes. Good to see you're concerned about security.

hodgy0_2

yes, I sort of suspected that might be the ultimate answer you resorted to

JackClark

It's a pretty solid one and works if you drop your phone down the toilet too.

dpb

you cant even change ring tone you already own ,not bought from apple , without a "quick" 16 stage process involving pugging it into a mainframe computer. Things drving me mad

JackClark

You bought a ring tone? Crazy Frog?

dpb

Iv never bought a ringtone Jack
It was a song I already own from previous phone , with a much very more straight fwd os

JackClark

I can take a song in my library and make it a ring tone in about 30 seconds, I'm sure if you focus the energy you put into posting drivel on here you can do it too.

dpb

That's too bad . Half a minute my life ,specialist knowledge,equipment, open an account .
Versus an invitation to do so and one finger tap

mrtheedge2u2

Jack, do you only ever talk condescendingly to people on here. I am sure you do not talk to people on the street or in the pub who you dont know in the same manner. If you did I am sure you would be force fed your own kneecaps.

Devildog

Hodgy


Look at it objectively.


What data does an iphone (or any other phone for that matter) generally hold independently of any third party app?


Photographs/videos
Text messages
Contacts
Notes


All of which are easily backed up to a computer or the cloud. It even backs up itself. Is that so hard to do?


Is it not common sense to regularly back up the data?


Anyone with half a brain backs up their data before running an OS upgrade. In which case a bricked phone could be repaired and the data recovered.


Mails, music & most other messenger apps are either hosted externally or have their own in house cloud based backup.


There are far more common ways to lose that data than by a phone bricking because of a third party repair being incompatible with the os.


Mails, music & most other messenger apps are either hosted externally or have their own in house cloud based backup.


People who lose data are generally dumb or lazy. And my sympathy is extremely limited in those cases.

JackClark

I treat people the same way they treat me, simple.

mrtheedge2u2

No. As soon as some one, regardless of who says anything anti-apple then you resort to implying anything they say or do is "waste of time. waste of energy. drivel" etc etc then you tell them to "walk along" or "stop posting" like it is your thread or forum.

JackClark

You're making that up. I tell you what, I'll post a positive thread about Apple, what sort of reaction do you think I'll get. I will correct people if they're wrong, that is all.

dpb

why should you be forced to keep everything online

dpb

Have you actually ever tried a different os Jack , in particular android

I cant imagine youd go back after a couple weeks

JackClark

You're not, you can back up to your PC or Mac and I suggest you do. One button.

JackClark

Yes, I don't have an android device right now but have owned a few.

mrtheedge2u2

Jack, you are not a fool and you know clearly what you do....

Normal user - Bought an i-product and i like the way it works.
Jack - bought an i-product. I like it a lot. Once again proves Apple are way ahead of anything else.

You know why you add the final sentence.

JackClark

I wouldn't mind if you were quoting me but you're not. Tell you what, how about not attacking my posting style without substance.

mrtheedge2u2

You are correct, Jack. I have never seen a more balanced and un-biased poster in all my years.

JackClark

I don't know what you expect, there's certainly no need for me to post negative news regarding Apple, there's plenty of people here that will post if someone farts in the Apple office. So I'd say that I add balance.

dpb

They'll be plenty bricking it in store when they discovered They've been dispossessed of their photos

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

I'd say anyone that takes a 600 quid phone to a back street repair shop deserves what they get.

JackClark

I'd take issue with the repair shop who said they could do it on the cheap.

dpb

Hes eating outta your profit margin after all

hodgy0_2

yes I agree to a point, although I am sure some people don't like storing everything in the cloud (and they should not be forced to imo - I do, I don't give a fvck btw)- but I don't think any of this absolves Apple of at least informing you of the facts

which seems to be that you will/may lose all the data on your phone if you undertake a 3rd parry repair

and some people are dumb - Apple seem to be unnecessarily punishing them for it though

JackClark

Nobody is forced to use iCloud, you can make a local back up using iTunes but some will argue against that as well... why should I have to use iTunes, blah, blah, blah.

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Whichever way you look at it, this is a massive embarrassment and fail for Apple. Either the new phone lock-out they've added in the new software is completely OTT and just a thinly-disguised excuse to punish customers who dared take business away from so-called authorized repairers, or the old software wasn't doing its job properly and was exposing customers to an inexcusable security hazard.

The whole barrel is truly beginning to reek