Apple ruining small businesses
09 February 2016, 12:14 PM
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If TouchID is broken, the phone reverts to using a passcode. When you restart an iPhone, your passcode is the only way to unlock your phone and to authenticate Touch ID if it is enabled. Your phone's security is only as strong as your passcode and you don't need Touch ID to access your phone or use Apple Pay. Be clear that Touch ID is only an optional/ancillary security feature and is more for convenience, your passcode is still your primary and fallback security feature to unlock the phone, use Apple Pay and to enable and disable Touch ID. It's not difficult to disable Touch ID, there is an option to disable it in the Settings. So bearing in mind that there is already an option to disable Touch ID in the Settings, how difficult would it be for Apple to simply use this option to automatically disable Touch ID via the software update instead of choosing to arbitrarily brick your phone? With a bit of extra coding, not very difficult at all, they're technical geniuses afterall.
Going with your car alarm analogy, if you've replace/repair the factory fitted alarm by a non-dealer, you don't expect the car manufacturer to permanently disable the engine and permanently lock the doors so that you can't even retrieve the contents and your valuables inside if the official dealership, with your permission, perform a routine update to the factory ECU with the latest software revision.
Going with your car alarm analogy, if you've replace/repair the factory fitted alarm by a non-dealer, you don't expect the car manufacturer to permanently disable the engine and permanently lock the doors so that you can't even retrieve the contents and your valuables inside if the official dealership, with your permission, perform a routine update to the factory ECU with the latest software revision.
As for the car analogy, you'll have to go back to my post about BMW for that to make complete sense. Although I think you'll find it isn't permanent, it can be reversed if the phone is repaired by Apple. Why else would they offer an exchange scheme.
09 February 2016, 12:20 PM
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Do you believe Jon is stating facts? Oh my. He thinks that just because you can lock the gate ripping it off its hinges doesn't affect security.
09 February 2016, 12:48 PM
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It's nothing like that at all. What it's like is whilst you've changed the gate, Apple have bricked up all the doors and window to your property!
09 February 2016, 01:04 PM
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09 February 2016, 01:18 PM
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09 February 2016, 01:24 PM
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Besides, I think what Jack is getting at is that for the past 2 years, security on iPhones with Touch ID and the secure enclave is cr@p as a simple Touch ID replacement by third party can easily compromise it. Talk about a massive design flaw, FAIL!
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09 February 2016, 01:47 PM
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09 February 2016, 02:03 PM
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Google is your friend. You have an oem part installed and restore the phone.
Take it to Apple? What to be told that nothing can be done and that the device is effectively junk, that's really helpful. But I guess Apple will let you crack on if you trade in your bricked device for a third of the price to buy another iPhone, how convenient! Well they can "crack on"!
See above
Don't expect your BMW to work after a software upgrade when a cheapo supplementary control module made in china has been fitted to save a few quid.
The reality of this whole situation is that if you are tight enough to replace a critical part on a very expensive piece of electronic equipment with a cheapo Chinese pattern knock off and you're too stupid to regularly back up your phone (as recommended by Apple), don't whinge like a bitch when your phone doesn't work and you lose 2000 selfies and a picture of your dinner.
09 February 2016, 02:36 PM
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http://betanews.com/2016/02/08/whats...an-you-fix-it/
09 February 2016, 02:57 PM
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There is no fix, if you still have the original broken Touch ID module (who would even keep that broken part for this eventualality!) you may be able to restore your iPhone. However, even if you use a new OE part it will still be bricked. The issue is not a question of using OE parts or an independent repairer, but having a tool to sync the Touch ID with the phone, only Apple has that tool. The issue is that independently repaired phones worked with no issues to for the users prior to an update and that Apple gave no warning whatsoever that this update would brick these phones. The only alternative is to buy a replacement phone which is not a fix.
http://betanews.com/2016/02/08/whats...an-you-fix-it/
http://betanews.com/2016/02/08/whats...an-you-fix-it/
09 February 2016, 03:07 PM
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"Apple does not warrant that the operation of the Apple Product will be uninterrupted or error-free. Apple is not responsible for damage arising from failure to follow instructions relating to the Apple Product’s use."
Thought some of you might like this snippet.
Thought some of you might like this snippet.
09 February 2016, 04:45 PM
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There is no fix, if you still have the original broken Touch ID module (who would even keep that broken part for this eventualality!) you may be able to restore your iPhone. However, even if you use a new OE part it will still be bricked. The issue is not a question of using OE parts or an independent repairer, but having a tool to sync the Touch ID with the phone, only Apple has that tool. The issue is that independently repaired phones worked with no issues to for the users prior to an update and that Apple gave no warning whatsoever that this update would brick these phones. The only alternative is to buy a replacement phone which is not a fix.
http://betanews.com/2016/02/08/whats...an-you-fix-it/
http://betanews.com/2016/02/08/whats...an-you-fix-it/
Stop whinging like a bitch because Apple won't sell OEM parts and tools that collectively cost millions in R&D to back street repair shops.
The issue is that people want it done on the cheap.
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09 February 2016, 05:25 PM
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it takes 10 seconds on this dell ( 150 second hand ,total) , I don't have to run it through Microsoft / dell hq though ?!!
it must be a very special battery/procedure
it must be a very special battery/procedure
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09 February 2016, 05:40 PM
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There is a fix. You take your phone to the apple store and they fix it for you with original parts that work using the tool that syncs the hardware to the software.
Stop whinging like a bitch because Apple won't sell OEM parts and tools that collectively cost millions in R&D to back street repair shops.
The issue is that people want it done on the cheap.
Stop whinging like a bitch because Apple won't sell OEM parts and tools that collectively cost millions in R&D to back street repair shops.
The issue is that people want it done on the cheap.
Presumably something to do with the encryption technologies involved
All your data is gone, whether the phone can be un-bricked is a different question
Have I got that wrong?
09 February 2016, 06:29 PM
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There is a fix. You take your phone to the apple store and they fix it for you with original parts that work using the tool that syncs the hardware to the software.
Stop whinging like a bitch because Apple won't sell OEM parts and tools that collectively cost millions in R&D to back street repair shops.
The issue is that people want it done on the cheap.
Stop whinging like a bitch because Apple won't sell OEM parts and tools that collectively cost millions in R&D to back street repair shops.
The issue is that people want it done on the cheap.
09 February 2016, 07:35 PM
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They will allow you to use OEM (or indeed none OEM) parts on your phone, what they won't do is allow third party installed parts to work with their software.
09 February 2016, 08:53 PM
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I thought the real issue is that the data on the phone cannot be restored, either by Apple or by some two bit repair shop
Presumably something to do with the encryption technologies involved
All your data is gone, whether the phone can be un-bricked is a different question
Have I got that wrong?
Presumably something to do with the encryption technologies involved
All your data is gone, whether the phone can be un-bricked is a different question
Have I got that wrong?
09 February 2016, 08:59 PM
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09 February 2016, 11:45 PM
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10 February 2016, 07:49 AM
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Okay, just so we're clear
Apple don't have a definitive statement on this
And I am still unclear whether this error 53 - that bricks the phone (apparently there are other causes of the error)
Allows you to get your data back - as I said, this to me is the crux, phones can be replaced, data can't
Apple don't have a definitive statement on this
And I am still unclear whether this error 53 - that bricks the phone (apparently there are other causes of the error)
Allows you to get your data back - as I said, this to me is the crux, phones can be replaced, data can't