Fox hunting
25 July 2015, 11:40 PM
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Ditchy you do talk out of your ar$e saying anyone who eats meat is a hypocrite for criticising fox hunting. You have equated fox hunting as being the same as the meat industry which clearly to anyone with half a brain simply isn't the case.
As already mentioned meat on our plates hasn't been chased for miles, dug up out of it's den and then thrown to a pack of dogs whilst a bunch of idiots sit on horseback cheering at the suffering and sight of it being ripped to pieces.
If you really think that is the same as farmed animals going to an abbatoir for the purpose of human consumption you really aren't as bright as you think you are.
Fox hunting is nothing to do with population control and all about blood lust and causing cruelty to a wild animal. There are far better methods to control numbers but the pro hunt lot won't enter that argument because they will be shown up for what they are.
My family lost a much loved pet to a fox and again it was laying untouched in the garden so I am not one who thinks it's a lovely cuddly creature, but no matter how much I detest them I want them killed humanely and not through pure out and out cruelty.
If anyone thinks shooting them is too difficult then they don't know what they are doing and should be employing a professional pest controller who will shoot it for them.
As already mentioned meat on our plates hasn't been chased for miles, dug up out of it's den and then thrown to a pack of dogs whilst a bunch of idiots sit on horseback cheering at the suffering and sight of it being ripped to pieces.
If you really think that is the same as farmed animals going to an abbatoir for the purpose of human consumption you really aren't as bright as you think you are.
Fox hunting is nothing to do with population control and all about blood lust and causing cruelty to a wild animal. There are far better methods to control numbers but the pro hunt lot won't enter that argument because they will be shown up for what they are.
My family lost a much loved pet to a fox and again it was laying untouched in the garden so I am not one who thinks it's a lovely cuddly creature, but no matter how much I detest them I want them killed humanely and not through pure out and out cruelty.
If anyone thinks shooting them is too difficult then they don't know what they are doing and should be employing a professional pest controller who will shoot it for them.
26 July 2015, 08:41 AM
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The action of shooting a fox with a rifle isn't difficult. It is just extremely time consuming and many evenings can be wasted with no result. Personally, I do not want to spend 3 hours each evening in the cold dark night, creeping around fields and sitting silently waiting for a fox that may never show. Anyone could do it, nothing is 'dificult' about it.
I've found the most effective method is a massive fox trap. I position it near one of the chicken sheds, bait it with a dead chicken and if there is a fox in the area, it's highly likely that it'll get caught. All you have to do then is shoot it in the morning with no time and effort wasted. If every farmer had a couple of fox traps then this would defiantly make a huge difference. Although fox traps aren't something you can just buy. I had mine specifically made by a blacksmith and if you're an arable farmer, getting something as suitable bait will be an issue.
I've found the most effective method is a massive fox trap. I position it near one of the chicken sheds, bait it with a dead chicken and if there is a fox in the area, it's highly likely that it'll get caught. All you have to do then is shoot it in the morning with no time and effort wasted. If every farmer had a couple of fox traps then this would defiantly make a huge difference. Although fox traps aren't something you can just buy. I had mine specifically made by a blacksmith and if you're an arable farmer, getting something as suitable bait will be an issue.
26 July 2015, 01:45 PM
#34
The action of shooting a fox with a rifle isn't difficult. It is just extremely time consuming and many evenings can be wasted with no result. Personally, I do not want to spend 3 hours each evening in the cold dark night, creeping around fields and sitting silently waiting for a fox that may never show. Anyone could do it, nothing is 'dificult' about it.
I've found the most effective method is a massive fox trap. I position it near one of the chicken sheds, bait it with a dead chicken and if there is a fox in the area, it's highly likely that it'll get caught. All you have to do then is shoot it in the morning with no time and effort wasted. If every farmer had a couple of fox traps then this would defiantly make a huge difference. Although fox traps aren't something you can just buy. I had mine specifically made by a blacksmith and if you're an arable farmer, getting something as suitable bait will be an issue.
I've found the most effective method is a massive fox trap. I position it near one of the chicken sheds, bait it with a dead chicken and if there is a fox in the area, it's highly likely that it'll get caught. All you have to do then is shoot it in the morning with no time and effort wasted. If every farmer had a couple of fox traps then this would defiantly make a huge difference. Although fox traps aren't something you can just buy. I had mine specifically made by a blacksmith and if you're an arable farmer, getting something as suitable bait will be an issue.
26 July 2015, 02:51 PM
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The difference between what? Hunting and trapping or shooting? Of course I can. As mentioned in the other thread, hunting with dogs where foxes can be torn apart is cruel and is extremely stressful for a fox. Chickens and lambs getting chased and their heads ripped off by a fox is also cruel. Shooting crows and pigeons and sometimes not getting a clean kill is also cruel and horrible. What I don't understand is some of the extremist views that some people/protestors have.
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27 July 2015, 08:23 AM
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The difference between what? Hunting and trapping or shooting? Of course I can. As mentioned in the other thread, hunting with dogs where foxes can be torn apart is cruel and is extremely stressful for a fox. Chickens and lambs getting chased and their heads ripped off by a fox is also cruel. Shooting crows and pigeons and sometimes not getting a clean kill is also cruel and horrible. What I don't understand is some of the extremist views that some people/protestors have.
27 July 2015, 08:35 AM
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What's that got to do with this topic? Are you saying that we shouldn't trap or kill any pest what-so-ever? I honestly don't get why some people are so against certain things when those things are no different to other things. It seems as though us farmers can't win yet we're the ones prodominantly putting food on your tables and farming the countryside for your very survival.
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27 July 2015, 09:48 AM
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Personally I don't care about the fox or the fox hunters, there are far greater injustices in this world for me to concern myself with and get angry about, I just wish others would see those as opposed to being so passionate and hate filled about something so insignificant, whilst exhibiting crass hypocrisy and lacking or choosing not to see it, which is to be expected under the circumstances.
That's all.
That's all.
For someone who "doesn't care" you devote a lot of time and attention to making your point on threads like these.
You can say it as often as you want Ditchy, but on this subject, like others, keeping banging on doesn't make your position any more or less valid than anyone else's.
Hunting foxes with hounds is done purely for fun, and the thrill of the chase.
All of the stats indicate that the ban did not have an adverse effect on jobs, peoples livelihoods, the hounds or the horses. Nor did it have any effect on the fox population.
The Countryside Alliance's entire position at the time has been proven to be completely wrong.
So the question then should be, is it reasonable in a civilised society to bring about the death of an animal in such a matter?.
Nothing more, and nothing less. Its not about comparisons with meat production. That is an irrelevant point in the fox hunting argument. Whether those methods of meat production for human consumption are acceptable or not is one for separate debate and if the basis of your argument here is that the anti's are all hypocrites, then that's a pretty weak one. Likewise the "you all don't like it because you're jealous argument".
Many of the saboteurs may well be as you describe, and whilst it may be about class for some, there are many who participate who are equally worthless in terms of their contribution, its just that they are subsidised by their family's wealth, not the governments.
LSherrat can post as many pictures of dead chickens as he wants, but hunting with hounds isn't going to stop that. In fact, its going to make naff all difference.
Personally I don't care how many foxes are killed. I'd just like to see them killed in the most humane manner possible and not killed in an outdated, barbaric manner purely for the enjoyment of anyone, whether rich or poor.
The same goes for hare coursing. Cruelty is cruelty no matter how much money you have, or don't have.
27 July 2015, 09:51 AM
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What's that got to do with this topic? Are you saying that we shouldn't trap or kill any pest what-so-ever? I honestly don't get why some people are so against certain things when those things are no different to other things. It seems as though us farmers can't win yet we're the ones prodominantly putting food on your tables and farming the countryside for your very survival.
We should support our farmers, not meddle with everything they do. We should be exporting our fine produce not importing tonnes of rubbish at silly prices.
The average UK consumer is a bloody idiot who doesn't give a stuff about UK industry; that's why the supermarkets have such a free reign.
Let them get on with it, support an industry that actually PRODUCES goods rather than our falsely inflated turd of an economy.
27 July 2015, 10:22 AM
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What's that got to do with this topic? Are you saying that we shouldn't trap or kill any pest what-so-ever? I honestly don't get why some people are so against certain things when those things are no different to other things. It seems as though us farmers can't win yet we're the ones prodominantly putting food on your tables and farming the countryside for your very survival.
I've highlighted the argument I was actually making (all be it not brilliantly). People go on about hunting as this big nasty inhumane killing spree, as if Mr Fox normally passes away peacefully with a cigar and a smoking jacket. The reality is animals will maul each other to death on a regular basis.
28 July 2015, 05:43 AM
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For someone who "doesn't care" you devote a lot of time and attention to making your point on threads like these.
You can say it as often as you want Ditchy, but on this subject, like others, keeping banging on doesn't make your position any more or less valid than anyone else's.
Hunting foxes with hounds is done purely for fun, and the thrill of the chase.
All of the stats indicate that the ban did not have an adverse effect on jobs, peoples livelihoods, the hounds or the horses. Nor did it have any effect on the fox population.
The Countryside Alliance's entire position at the time has been proven to be completely wrong.
So the question then should be, is it reasonable in a civilised society to bring about the death of an animal in such a matter?.
Nothing more, and nothing less. Its not about comparisons with meat production. That is an irrelevant point in the fox hunting argument. Whether those methods of meat production for human consumption are acceptable or not is one for separate debate and if the basis of your argument here is that the anti's are all hypocrites, then that's a pretty weak one. Likewise the "you all don't like it because you're jealous argument".
Many of the saboteurs may well be as you describe, and whilst it may be about class for some, there are many who participate who are equally worthless in terms of their contribution, its just that they are subsidised by their family's wealth, not the governments.
LSherrat can post as many pictures of dead chickens as he wants, but hunting with hounds isn't going to stop that. In fact, its going to make naff all difference.
Personally I don't care how many foxes are killed. I'd just like to see them killed in the most humane manner possible and not killed in an outdated, barbaric manner purely for the enjoyment of anyone, whether rich or poor.
The same goes for hare coursing. Cruelty is cruelty no matter how much money you have, or don't have.
You can say it as often as you want Ditchy, but on this subject, like others, keeping banging on doesn't make your position any more or less valid than anyone else's.
Hunting foxes with hounds is done purely for fun, and the thrill of the chase.
All of the stats indicate that the ban did not have an adverse effect on jobs, peoples livelihoods, the hounds or the horses. Nor did it have any effect on the fox population.
The Countryside Alliance's entire position at the time has been proven to be completely wrong.
So the question then should be, is it reasonable in a civilised society to bring about the death of an animal in such a matter?.
Nothing more, and nothing less. Its not about comparisons with meat production. That is an irrelevant point in the fox hunting argument. Whether those methods of meat production for human consumption are acceptable or not is one for separate debate and if the basis of your argument here is that the anti's are all hypocrites, then that's a pretty weak one. Likewise the "you all don't like it because you're jealous argument".
Many of the saboteurs may well be as you describe, and whilst it may be about class for some, there are many who participate who are equally worthless in terms of their contribution, its just that they are subsidised by their family's wealth, not the governments.
LSherrat can post as many pictures of dead chickens as he wants, but hunting with hounds isn't going to stop that. In fact, its going to make naff all difference.
Personally I don't care how many foxes are killed. I'd just like to see them killed in the most humane manner possible and not killed in an outdated, barbaric manner purely for the enjoyment of anyone, whether rich or poor.
The same goes for hare coursing. Cruelty is cruelty no matter how much money you have, or don't have.
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