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07 July 2015, 03:10 PM
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2,000 years ago still leaves us in Anno Domini, namely, the time after which Jesus was born and the human race was definitely alive and kicking then, so I don't think JT was arguing the human race didn't appear until just over 2,000 years ago. Academics acknowledge that the great flood described in Genesis occurred around 2328 Before Christ, which would imply that humans and animals alike were around over 4,000 years ago.
07 July 2015, 03:21 PM
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07 July 2015, 03:31 PM
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he accepts "evolution" in that is can be observed - observable science, bacteria evolving
he is by definition and evolutionist (just only since 6000 years ago)
in the same way you believe in a creator therefore you are a "creationist"
he is by definition and evolutionist (just only since 6000 years ago)
in the same way you believe in a creator therefore you are a "creationist"
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If I'm speaking with someone who espouses scientism, then yes I'm a creationist so far as I believe in a creator. If I'm speaking with other creationists I am an old earth creationist as opposed to a young earth creationist. If I'm speaking to an old earth creationist I am a theistic evolutionist. It's churlish not to simply cut to the chase. As you know. Now define 'magic', please.
07 July 2015, 10:24 PM
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Anyone religious has, to a large degree, a form of mental illness.
It baffles me why SO many fall for the fairy tales and live their lives by it. Be nice, be kind, help people and so on but not under some insane banner.
The way religions, particularly Christianity, tried to hi-jack almost every Remembrance events and countless other similar things drives me nuts.
It's simply bonkers.
It baffles me why SO many fall for the fairy tales and live their lives by it. Be nice, be kind, help people and so on but not under some insane banner.
The way religions, particularly Christianity, tried to hi-jack almost every Remembrance events and countless other similar things drives me nuts.
It's simply bonkers.
08 July 2015, 01:00 AM
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I do not know whether he confessed Christ in his heart, only God knows that, but if he did he'd find himself sitting at the feet of The Lord come Judgement Day.
08 July 2015, 01:46 AM
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I don't and that's owing to the Fermi paradox. I suspect you're going to answer to the contrary and that having attempted to prove your hypothesis you'll wish to demonstrate how the existence of said aliens disproves the truth of Christianity. In anticipation, even if intelligent life did exist elsewhere in the universe, whilst the foundations of the Bible would be rocked, it would remain standing.
08 July 2015, 07:30 AM
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Gandhi said, 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.' How true. He also spent a significant amount of time with Christian anarchist Leo Tolstoy and reprinted some of his works.
I do not know whether he confessed Christ in his heart, only God knows that, but if he did he'd find himself sitting at the feet of The Lord come Judgement Day.
I do not know whether he confessed Christ in his heart, only God knows that, but if he did he'd find himself sitting at the feet of The Lord come Judgement Day.
She reaffirmed her faith and re asserted her Catholicism in the mid 80's
And was constantly ministered by a priest during her last few dying days - who read her her last rights
According to the rules of your club, she gets in doesn't she - but as you say the jury is out on Ghandi
08 July 2015, 09:28 AM
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Gandhi said, 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.' How true. He also spent a significant amount of time with Christian anarchist Leo Tolstoy and reprinted some of his works.
I do not know whether he confessed Christ in his heart, only God knows that, but if he did he'd find himself sitting at the feet of The Lord come Judgement Day.
I do not know whether he confessed Christ in his heart, only God knows that, but if he did he'd find himself sitting at the feet of The Lord come Judgement Day.
08 July 2015, 04:10 PM
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Presumably Myra Hindly (the moors murderer) would get the "golden ticket"
She reaffirmed her faith and re asserted her Catholicism in the mid 80's
And was constantly ministered by a priest during her last few dying days - who read her her last rights
According to the rules of your club, she gets in doesn't she - but as you say the jury is out on Ghandi
She reaffirmed her faith and re asserted her Catholicism in the mid 80's
And was constantly ministered by a priest during her last few dying days - who read her her last rights
According to the rules of your club, she gets in doesn't she - but as you say the jury is out on Ghandi
Hell could be considered as an eternal separation from God. That works for me as I believe that God is love and that it necessarily and logically follows that a person who's devoid of faith in the Lord will be devoid of love after they've perished. Gandhi's earthly reward will be a place in the history books as one of life's good guys. History will judge Hindly rather differently.
08 July 2015, 04:20 PM
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I was a bible believing Christian, but later rejected it. That places me in the worst possible situation according to the book. However, I couldn't do the mental gymnastics I kept trying to do to believe and when I stepped back I didn't think the God of the bible was really someone I wanted to or should believe in. If that separation puts me in a lake of fire for all eternity, I won't be happy, but it would seem like taking out asteroid insurance and spending most of your salary on it whilst the salesman was ******** your wife on the commission.
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08 July 2015, 04:36 PM
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Sure, although if one's heard (really heard) Christ's commandments and still fails to confess then one's rather locked the door from the inside and thrown away the key. It's all supposition, of course, and is ultimately between Gandhi and God.
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08 July 2015, 05:05 PM
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I don't and that's owing to the Fermi paradox. I suspect you're going to answer to the contrary and that having attempted to prove your hypothesis you'll wish to demonstrate how the existence of said aliens disproves the truth of Christianity. In anticipation, even if intelligent life did exist elsewhere in the universe, whilst the foundations of the Bible would be rocked, it would remain standing.
08 July 2015, 05:15 PM
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after all the Dinosaurs contrary to the popular memes were an incredibly successful species
walking the earth for several hundred million years - we will do well to last a fraction of that time
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I was a bible believing Christian, but later rejected it. That places me in the worst possible situation according to the book. However, I couldn't do the mental gymnastics I kept trying to do to believe and when I stepped back I didn't think the God of the bible was really someone I wanted to or should believe in. If that separation puts me in a lake of fire for all eternity, I won't be happy, but it would seem like taking out asteroid insurance and spending most of your salary on it whilst the salesman was ******** your wife on the commission.
08 July 2015, 08:13 PM
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I am a Thomas. Except he had his evidence and so far I've not had mine. Why should I have to use faith to make such an important decision and if I cannot really believe it be eternally damned? Isn't faith just a method of constructing an argument that cannot be defeated? It seems that "God" is setting some of us up to be lake fuel.
08 July 2015, 09:23 PM
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With regards to the Fermi paradox as a way to "prove" that life here is unique in the whole universe, I would argue that the universe is teaming with life only that life itself on every planet hasn't evolved enough for interstellar travel despite the billions of years. As Earth's history has shown, numerous civilisations never get the chance to "fully" develop and many have been wiped out by disasters both natural and self inflicted. I think there is life is out there, however, for intelligent and sentient life to have evolved for interstellar travel could be rare and those that have would have countless planets to visit in the vastness of the universe.
08 July 2015, 09:40 PM
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I am a Thomas. Except he had his evidence and so far I've not had mine. Why should I have to use faith to make such an important decision and if I cannot really believe it be eternally damned? Isn't faith just a method of constructing an argument that cannot be defeated? It seems that "God" is setting some of us up to be lake fuel.
As for you being a Thomas:
"Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
Were you once blessed or was it an emotional experience? A seed sewn on rocky ground?
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