Stop giving your life to Jesus!
06 July 2015, 01:39 PM
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Deluded, isn't it?
Sorry, I waded in again, in between doing my duty towards God via providing my transactional service to other humans.
06 July 2015, 02:24 PM
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06 July 2015, 02:31 PM
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But this is a fundamental aspect of Christianity - entry to the Kingdom of heaven is through Jesus
So no matter how well/moral you live your life it is pointless, you are simply an empty vessel, and without Jesus you will not get entry to heaven
Similarly 70 years of being a cvnt, can easily be absolved by letting Jesus into your life
The ultimate insurance policy
So no matter how well/moral you live your life it is pointless, you are simply an empty vessel, and without Jesus you will not get entry to heaven
Similarly 70 years of being a cvnt, can easily be absolved by letting Jesus into your life
The ultimate insurance policy
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Christ knows the deep recesses of a man's heart. The contrition that one must endure, the stuff of sack-cloth and ashes, can take an earthly lifetime. Should it be sincere and complete one will receive forgiveness, but will not escape corporeal punishment.
06 July 2015, 09:29 PM
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The problem and this of course is my own thinking,that people do not fear Jesus,people seem to think that Jesus is all fluffy and cute.of course Jesus loves everyone and you will be forgiven if you ask for forgiveness.but even Jesus said nobody will know the day,hour,time that I will return,i will come like a theif in the night and I do not return to bring peace on the earth but of the sword.
everyone will have their judgement day,and before the end of days Jesus said will be great evil in the world,famine volcanoes,nations will turn against nations,man will be a lover of himself,men's hearts will fail them when they see before them what things will come upon the earth.and every secret will be made known to all.if I do not shorten the days will be no flesh left alive.but I give you the power to tread on every serpent and scorpion and he who has the mark of me they will not harm you..not exact words but near enough from memory..
everyone will have their judgement day,and before the end of days Jesus said will be great evil in the world,famine volcanoes,nations will turn against nations,man will be a lover of himself,men's hearts will fail them when they see before them what things will come upon the earth.and every secret will be made known to all.if I do not shorten the days will be no flesh left alive.but I give you the power to tread on every serpent and scorpion and he who has the mark of me they will not harm you..not exact words but near enough from memory..
07 July 2015, 06:13 AM
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From memory i can't recall that it does,and i don't think Jesus ever intended for the churches to be a place of great wealth,think this is Mans own doing.
(Mark 11:15-19; Luke 19:45-48; John 2:12-25)
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,and said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Its for their own wealth and greed even the vatican have their own super telescope named the Lucifer telescope,they believe that aliens are Coming to save the earth.this device underground in Switzerland they do the dance of shiva and are others various groups and hidden government experiments trying to open portals etc to bring demons back on the earth.and Jesus said the time is coming when everything that is covered up will be revealed, and all that is secret will be made known to all.
And their has been a lot covered up over time which is now being more and more revealed.look up project blue bleam just one example of many.
(Mark 11:15-19; Luke 19:45-48; John 2:12-25)
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,and said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Its for their own wealth and greed even the vatican have their own super telescope named the Lucifer telescope,they believe that aliens are Coming to save the earth.this device underground in Switzerland they do the dance of shiva and are others various groups and hidden government experiments trying to open portals etc to bring demons back on the earth.and Jesus said the time is coming when everything that is covered up will be revealed, and all that is secret will be made known to all.
And their has been a lot covered up over time which is now being more and more revealed.look up project blue bleam just one example of many.
Do you seriously believe this stuff??
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bluebeam.html
07 July 2015, 07:54 AM
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Do you seriously believe that it could never happen in the future?i not saying right now I believe it or not believe it,but I have open mind that it could be possible.you or we don't know what secrets governments around the world are keeping from us,even our own government can't be truthful with us over the smallest things.If this stuff is real or similar experiments is not a chance in hell they would ever want the people to know about it,only from time to time stuff gets leaked out,and then people thinks it's crazy because we are living in our comfort zone,and is no way beyond possible thinking of people's minds this could ever happen,your mad and deluded.But do you trust the government ?
07 July 2015, 09:03 AM
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DYK, you seem to think there are only two positions
1) You completely trust the govt. Of course I don't btw.
OR
2) You believe that there is a conspiracy to stage earthquakes around the world to falsify history and then use 3D holographic images to fool us into thinking that the rapture has come.
Personally speaking neither 1 or 2 apply to me.
I'm confused as to your position on this. Your previous post told us to look up operation Blue beam. I assumed you did that because you believe it is true. If you don't then why mention it?
1) You completely trust the govt. Of course I don't btw.
OR
2) You believe that there is a conspiracy to stage earthquakes around the world to falsify history and then use 3D holographic images to fool us into thinking that the rapture has come.
Personally speaking neither 1 or 2 apply to me.
I'm confused as to your position on this. Your previous post told us to look up operation Blue beam. I assumed you did that because you believe it is true. If you don't then why mention it?
07 July 2015, 10:05 AM
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DYK, you seem to think there are only two positions
1) You completely trust the govt. Of course I don't btw.
OR
2) You believe that there is a conspiracy to stage earthquakes around the world to falsify history and then use 3D holographic images to fool us into thinking that the rapture has come.
Personally speaking neither 1 or 2 apply to me.
I'm confused as to your position on this. Your previous post told us to look up operation Blue beam. I assumed you did that because you believe it is true. If you don't then why mention it?
1) You completely trust the govt. Of course I don't btw.
OR
2) You believe that there is a conspiracy to stage earthquakes around the world to falsify history and then use 3D holographic images to fool us into thinking that the rapture has come.
Personally speaking neither 1 or 2 apply to me.
I'm confused as to your position on this. Your previous post told us to look up operation Blue beam. I assumed you did that because you believe it is true. If you don't then why mention it?
Simply curiosity..
I think personally now with everything that is happening around the world,government cover ups and scandals being exposed,more and more frequent weather disasters,we should open our eyes and minds more to the possibility and not rule it out that it couldn't happen.
And Jesus didn't say the things he did for the sake of saying it.
I think we are too wrapped up in our own lives and don't think beyond watching the football or doing the shopping etc.
07 July 2015, 11:00 AM
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http://www.reasonablefaith.org/what-...ve-never-heard
Just click download and you're good to go. Once you've listened to it I'd really appreciate a conversation around the subject as it helps me grow. I think you'll find the final point pertinent and perhaps amusing.
07 July 2015, 12:32 PM
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Simply curiosity..
I think personally now with everything that is happening around the world,government cover ups and scandals being exposed,more and more frequent weather disasters,we should open our eyes and minds more to the possibility and not rule it out that it couldn't happen.
And Jesus didn't say the things he did for the sake of saying it.
I think we are too wrapped up in our own lives and don't think beyond watching the football or doing the shopping etc.
I think personally now with everything that is happening around the world,government cover ups and scandals being exposed,more and more frequent weather disasters,we should open our eyes and minds more to the possibility and not rule it out that it couldn't happen.
And Jesus didn't say the things he did for the sake of saying it.
I think we are too wrapped up in our own lives and don't think beyond watching the football or doing the shopping etc.
is not carte blanche to believe in any old claptrap
at some point you must have evidence - otherwise why not believe in mermaids, unicorns of flying horses
where do you stop!!
off course nothing is impossible - you just have varying degrees of improbability
but to me the concept of mermaids is just so improbable I don't waste much time thinking about it
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07 July 2015, 12:50 PM
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Anyone religious has, to a large degree, a form of mental illness.
It baffles me why SO many fall for the fairy tales and live their lives by it. Be nice, be kind, help people and so on but not under some insane banner.
The way religions, particularly Christianity, tried to hi-jack almost every Remembrance events and countless other similar things drives me nuts.
It's simply bonkers.
It baffles me why SO many fall for the fairy tales and live their lives by it. Be nice, be kind, help people and so on but not under some insane banner.
The way religions, particularly Christianity, tried to hi-jack almost every Remembrance events and countless other similar things drives me nuts.
It's simply bonkers.
07 July 2015, 12:55 PM
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Anyone religious has, to a large degree, a form of mental illness.
It baffles me why SO many fall for the fairy tales and live their lives by it. Be nice, be kind, help people and so on but not under some insane banner.
The way religions, particularly Christianity, tried to hi-jack almost every Remembrance events and countless other similar things drives me nuts.
It's simply bonkers.
It baffles me why SO many fall for the fairy tales and live their lives by it. Be nice, be kind, help people and so on but not under some insane banner.
The way religions, particularly Christianity, tried to hi-jack almost every Remembrance events and countless other similar things drives me nuts.
It's simply bonkers.
But you do understand, don't you, that some people choose to be bonkers for self-preservation. Bonker conversion is a defense.
07 July 2015, 01:02 PM
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Massive question and one that plagued me even after I was saved. I find the podcast below to be excellent (once you get past the cheesy music and the American accents). It's with Dr. William Lane Craig and is about 20 mins long; it'd be terrific if you could find the time to listen as it breaks down the question in to manageable chunks and offers some plausible solutions to the problem of the unevangelised.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/what-...ve-never-heard
Just click download and you're good to go. Once you've listened to it I'd really appreciate a conversation around the subject as it helps me grow. I think you'll find the final point pertinent and perhaps amusing.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/what-...ve-never-heard
Just click download and you're good to go. Once you've listened to it I'd really appreciate a conversation around the subject as it helps me grow. I think you'll find the final point pertinent and perhaps amusing.
A typical American effort that eventually addresses the question of those who haven't responded to the Word; perhaps because they haven't listened, maybe ignored what they have heard or more simply that they are geographically inconvenienced.
The question this doesn't address is: what was the fate of the millions of souls of those who lived pre religion? After they'd crashed and burned for a quarter of a million years God finally considered they needed guidance just two thousand years or so ago. I would like to think I look after my cars better than that.
07 July 2015, 01:05 PM
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The question this doesn't address is: what was the fate of the millions of souls of those who lived pre religion? After they'd crashed and burned for a quarter of a million years God finally considered they needed guidance just two thousand years or so ago. I would like to think I look after my cars better than that.
07 July 2015, 01:45 PM
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A typical American effort that eventually addresses the question of those who haven't responded to the Word; perhaps because they haven't listened, maybe ignored what they have heard or more simply that they are geographically inconvenienced.
The question this doesn't address is: what was the fate of the millions of souls of those who lived pre religion? After they'd crashed and burned for a quarter of a million years God finally considered they needed guidance just two thousand years or so ago. I would like to think I look after my cars better than that.
The question this doesn't address is: what was the fate of the millions of souls of those who lived pre religion? After they'd crashed and burned for a quarter of a million years God finally considered they needed guidance just two thousand years or so ago. I would like to think I look after my cars better than that.
07 July 2015, 02:35 PM
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Prior to the archetypal Adam and Eve (the first humans to be made in God's image) there were no soul-bearing creatures and thus no eternity and subsequently no eternal hell or paradise. Damnation and salvation simply wasn't an issue. Pre-Adamic primates simply went from ashes to ashes and from dust to dust in the same way as unsaved souls do now.
Come on now, are you honestly claiming that the human race didn't appear until 2,000 years ago? Even the most conservative estimate would say modern humans were alive and kicking some 25 - 30,000 years ago and were recognisable as human beings over 100,000 years ago. I'm afraid quoting Adam and Eve as fact has removed me from this discussion. It's that point in a conversation when one glazes over, smiles politely and walks quickly away. I guess it handily sidesteps the original question and lets God off by descending into Fairyland where no thinking person will follow. I sincerely hope for your sake you don't actually believe it.
07 July 2015, 02:38 PM
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Come on now, are you honestly claiming that the human race didn't appear until 2,000 years ago? Even the most conservative estimate would say modern humans were alive and kicking some 25 - 30,000 years ago and were recognisable as human beings over 100,000 years ago. I'm afraid quoting Adam and Eve as fact has removed me from this discussion. It's that point in a conversation when one glazes over, smiles politely and walks quickly away. I guess it handily sidesteps the original question and lets God off by descending into Fairyland where no thinking person will follow. I sincerely hope for your sake you don't actually believe it.
When I talk of Adam and Eve I talk of the first humans to become aware of God and to harbour a 'soul' (however one defines that). Self-awareness, concepts of time a grasp of the eternal and so forth. I'm an evolutionist, Paben, no need to get your knickers in a twist.
07 July 2015, 02:48 PM
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07 July 2015, 03:02 PM
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Come on now, are you honestly claiming that the human race didn't appear until 2,000 years ago? Even the most conservative estimate would say modern humans were alive and kicking some 25 - 30,000 years ago and were recognisable as human beings over 100,000 years ago. I'm afraid quoting Adam and Eve as fact has removed me from this discussion. It's that point in a conversation when one glazes over, smiles politely and walks quickly away. I guess it handily sidesteps the original question and lets God off by descending into Fairyland where no thinking person will follow. I sincerely hope for your sake you don't actually believe it.