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Busta, FUD might be your mate or what ever, I dont know or care, but at the end of the day, if the phone is not as described why should someone else be out of pocket?
I wouldnt accept having to re-send at my cost tbh as it wasnt my fault that the item was like that. The liability rests with the seller to sell "in good faith and as described" within the distance selling regulations.
This applies to all transactions, not just commercial. There is also other legislation which will elaborate more. Items should be fit for purpose, and if defective the responsibility is with the seller to rectify the issue.
Return postage is to be covered by the seller in the event of a mis-sold/defective etc item, if it is a change of heart or an exchange then yes the buyer has a responsibility to cover the return postage.
And to be honest, if it is "so silly" and FUD doesnt have time for this "bollox" then why not just give the guy his £7quid back too and put it down to experience, all it has done is cause stress and arguments that it sounds like he could have done with out.
Then if these two ever meet at something in real life they can buy each other a beer and shake hands and forget about it. Once the kangaroo court get involved is where the issues start,....
Ffs! What parts have you NOT read and just skimmed through to try talk to me?
Fud is NOT my friend, nor have I met or dealt with him, or trinity for that matter, I'm speaking from in the middle and of my opinion.
I have already said nemerous times, trinity has a right and is not in the wrong so **** knows why your talking to me like a parrot
It's upto fud if he wanted to return the postage both ways, all I said is I would refund full costs and buyer covers postage to return, as that is what PayPal will do etc so you're not gonna get anymore unless seller is willing to agree to which he hasn't hence the thread.
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
This thread is gold.
Meet the world with a smile and it smiles back at you.
Act like a **** and you'll get treated like one.
I didn't for one minute think that it was about the money on Fuds part.
Bang on! Which is what I've been trying to explain, but all I get is
Just so we're clear, I don't know Fud personally, he's just one of many people I have had a small amount of interaction with on here, much like I have with you, only difference is I came to the conclusion that he's a decent enough chap, as far as that's possible under the circumstances and I have already told you on another thread what my opinion is of you.
Intelligence has many forms, you lack the intelligence to be gracious in the face of a mis-understanding and then rubbed him up the wrong way as you do with many on here, purporting to to be intelligent and lording it over others who may or may not have the same level of literacy as yourself shows a distinct lack of intelligence to my mind.
Here you are once more telling us all how clever you are, suggesting that you are somehow superior to many of us whilst exhibiting crass stupidity for not actually getting some decent photographs of the phone in question, then parting with your money and b1tching that it's not what you expected
Now the manner in which you have conducted yourself during the whole process that has led you to this situation doesn't exactly shout intelligence to me AND after all of this carry on you're still going to have to pay to return the phone.
You should contact MENSA and inform them of your genius level of intelligence.
+1
It makes me wonder if he didn't actually pay the fees, hence the thread
Ah the 'bullying' tactics, I imagined this would happen eventually. Not a problem, clearly is shown what you are doing.
As I have said before Maz, your opinion does not matter to me, so you can shout as many 'names' as you wish, all that does is stregnthen my argument and my case. Not very street wise? I live in South London, but I guess that is not as 'street' as Yorkshire?
A crime is a crime, I mention no distinction between criminal or civil law, whether a crime has been committed under either umbrella, it is still a crime.
I do not feel I have ever told anyone how 'more clever' I am, if you feel that way after your own opinions have been battled, then that is your ego, not mine that feels that way. All I have done is brought attention to statements users have made, where they attempt a defence over an obvious deceit has been made.
Photographs where provided, and a description of A1 Bang On. With this being a community, and with Fud saing in PM's after I asked about not being able to see the crack, so it must be small and ill trust him on it, he assured me of his original description. This is good old faith in people, which I still exists in this world, but evidently, there are still crooks out there.
As I have said, I knew I would be paying return postage charges, however the reason was to recover the original posting costs, again this been repeated MANY times, but you obviously have missed it the multiple times and STILL make reference to it, yet you comment on intelligence?
So lets just recap on the FACTS, rather that your opinions. As even Busta points out, I am in the right, and therefore the situation is based on fact, not the opinion of people, not involved in the scenario , other than by hot air.
1. Item advertised as 100% bang on with a tiny crack, box etc three photos showing item, obviously crack so tiny , photos do not show it.
2. Item arrives with a large crack, split into three ways, in the wrong box, with wrong manual with a dent and scuffs and scratches.
3. Buyer emails seller asking to return as it was not as described.
4. Seller accepts return but refuses postage for outgoing and return.
5. Buyer finds this unccepatable as buyer should not be at a loss for an mis-sold item
6. Seller says 'he can not be bothered to send emails back and forth and to take it to paypal'
7. Buy initiates PayPal claim and reports on the situation on the thread.
8. Seller becomes abusive and makes false claims about using an 'Asda' camera to take the original photographs yet shows himself in the reflection using a smart phone.
9. Seller continues to be abrasive, and then resorts to ridiculing tactics to drawn attention away from his wrong in the situation.
10. Buyer only responds to posts made by others defending the deceipt.
True photos have been shown, obviously intentionally avoided by the seller (quite possibly could of been a different photo he photographed).
So case, clear cut. Item misrepresented, refund in full including all postage charges is due. This did not happen.
These are the facts, not your opinions, so lets base things on fact remember. As many of you say, no proof, it didn't happen, but lots of proof in this.
So, in terms of genius levels on intelligence as Ditch says, it dosent take a lot to see the facts over the bully tactics.
I am going to sit in the sun now, and be glad, that I teach my kids far better behaviour, and that finally there has been a thread showing the true colours of some folk.
Ah the 'bullying' tactics, I imagined this would happen eventually. Not a problem, clearly is shown what you are doing.
As I have said before Maz, your opinion does not matter to me, so you can shout as many 'names' as you wish, all that does is stregnthen my argument and my case. Not very street wise? I live in South London, but I guess that is not as 'street' as Yorkshire?
A crime is a crime, I mention no distinction between criminal or civil law, whether a crime has been committed under either umbrella, it is still a crime.
I do not feel I have ever told anyone how 'more clever' I am, if you feel that way after your own opinions have been battled, then that is your ego, not mine that feels that way. All I have done is brought attention to statements users have made, where they attempt a defence over an obvious deceit has been made.
Photographs where provided, and a description of A1 Bang On. With this being a community, and with Fud saing in PM's after I asked about not being able to see the crack, so it must be small and ill trust him on it, he assured me of his original description. This is good old faith in people, which I still exists in this world, but evidently, there are still crooks out there.
As I have said, I knew I would be paying return postage charges, however the reason was to recover the original posting costs, again this been repeated MANY times, but you obviously have missed it the multiple times and STILL make reference to it, yet you comment on intelligence?
So lets just recap on the FACTS, rather that your opinions. As even Busta points out, I am in the right, and therefore the situation is based on fact, not the opinion of people, not involved in the scenario , other than by hot air.
1. Item advertised as 100% bang on with a tiny crack, box etc three photos showing item, obviously crack so tiny , photos do not show it.
2. Item arrives with a large crack, split into three ways, in the wrong box, with wrong manual with a dent and scuffs and scratches.
3. Buyer emails seller asking to return as it was not as described.
4. Seller accepts return but refuses postage for outgoing and return.
5. Buyer finds this unccepatable as buyer should not be at a loss for an mis-sold item
6. Seller says 'he can not be bothered to send emails back and forth and to take it to paypal'
7. Buy initiates PayPal claim and reports on the situation on the thread.
8. Seller becomes abusive and makes false claims about using an 'Asda' camera to take the original photographs yet shows himself in the reflection using a smart phone.
9. Seller continues to be abrasive, and then resorts to ridiculing tactics to drawn attention away from his wrong in the situation.
10. Buyer only responds to posts made by others defending the deceipt.
True photos have been shown, obviously intentionally avoided by the seller (quite possibly could of been a different photo he photographed).
So case, clear cut. Item misrepresented, refund in full including all postage charges is due. This did not happen.
These are the facts, not your opinions, so lets base things on fact remember. As many of you say, no proof, it didn't happen, but lots of proof in this.
So, in terms of genius levels on intelligence as Ditch says, it dosent take a lot to see the facts over the bully tactics.
I am going to sit in the sun now, and be glad, that I teach my kids far better behaviour, and that finally there has been a thread showing the true colours of some folk.
That'd explain it. Anything North of Watford might as well be Narnia as far as you're concerned.
Yes I agree, he got shown up, and now he has to find ways to restore his ego using other things to prove his 'worth' to his buddies. Quite astonishing how some of you are manipulated though, but I think, intelligence has never been a strong point for some on here.
I've just put this part in bold, but between that, the spelling correction and general manner / references to "big" man etc, it's not difficult to see how you went from being "in the right" (which I don't actually think you are due to a lack of due diligence on your part) to now finding yourself embroiled in a farce.
Your manner does you no favours, I don't have an axe to grind with you personally or on Fuds behalf but you are generally rude, condescending and have conducted yourself in an abrasive manner towards myself and others on various threads for some considerable time, so now you're just reaping the rewards in the form of a less than warm response to your plight. So your response is to continue to conduct yourself in the same manner, maybe if you didn't attack so much you might not be on the receiving end quite so much.
You were as much to blame as Fud in the beginning, you were buying a damaged phone and failed to secure accurate pictures of the exact level of said damage, I personally can't even see a crack in any of his photos and would have made sure he provided me with some quality shots before parting with any money.
We can all see how it's gone from there so no need for me to go over it, but I don't expect you to see it from any other perspective than your own and keep playing the victim whilst continuing to be abrasive whilst attempting to control the moral high ground.
I suggest you have a little read of the thread from the beginning and attempt to see it from a 3rd person perspective.
That'd explain it. Anything North of Watford might as well be Narnia as far as you're concerned.
Guess I am from NArnia then, Thats pretty cool.
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
I've just put this part in bold, but between that, the spelling correction and general manner / references to "big" man etc, it's not difficult to see how you went from being "in the right" (which I don't actually think you are due to a lack of due diligence on your part) to now finding yourself embroiled in a farce.
Your manner does you no favours, I don't have an axe to grind with you personally or on Fuds behalf but you are generally rude, condescending and have conducted yourself in an abrasive manner towards myself and others on various threads for some considerable time, so now you're just reaping the rewards in the form of a less than warm response to your plight. So your response is to continue to conduct yourself in the same manner, maybe if you didn't attack so much you might not be on the receiving end quite so much.
You were as much to blame as Fud in the beginning, you were buying a damaged phone and failed to secure accurate pictures of the exact level of said damage, I personally can't even see a crack in any of his photos and would have made sure he provided me with some quality shots before parting with any money.
We can all see how it's gone from there so no need for me to go over it, but I don't expect you to see it from any other perspective than your own and keep playing the victim whilst continuing to be abrasive whilst attempting to control the moral high ground.
I suggest you have a little read of the thread from the beginning and attempt to see it from a 3rd person perspective.
I doubt you'll be able to somehow.
Again, Ditch, PLEASE READ THE THREAD properly before commenting. Referring to 'Big' man was due to your fellow posters referencing his size due to his weight lifting and username. You seem to miss SO much in the posts.
This isnt a farce at all, it a case of fraud and deceit, clearly shown by the evidence. I am happy with how this thread as panned out, although happy is not the right word, I do not wish for situations as this, but am happy that the truth has come through. I am still in the right, no matter how you try to spin doctor words to support you theory of 'its my punishment'. Missold item. Very simply.
As I said, I work of good faith from long term community members, Fud assured me it was A1 and the crack was tiny, hence why it didnt show up in photo. Yes maybe I should of asked for more photos, but due to his feedback, and long timer nature, I thought I could trust a person even quoting 'ok mate, ill trust you on this'. Theres a lot to say about being able to trust someone on faith.
I am happy with the warm responses I have received to this plight, from some of the posters on here, and the multiples of PM's I have also received, those that support the situation, but understandably do not want to get involved in your bully tactics.
Its actually been great to see some old school good human nature from others as well, to the point that my mum will shortly also have a new phone as well for a great price. So maybe, you should step away from your team thoughts and see the facts of the situation properly.
Personally, if I do not 'get on' or have a beef with anyone, I would still never wish for them to experience a similar situation. I don't particularly get on with one of my neighbours (which funnily is because he is an extreme right winger - something I know is close to your heart), but would I like to see him burgled? Not at all. I wouldn't want anyone to be a victim of a crime. You seem to be intent on this situation 'serving me right' which is very ugly behaviour Ditch, do you not think?
No moral high ground really, deceit, a crime, a victim.
So please, I ask you again, this thread is not to show your opinion about a person, if you like them or not, or feel they deserve 'punishment', it is about a case of missold goods and the unfortunate lengths gone to to retrieve the payment for those goods.
Fud claimed he offered the original postage charges, which he did not. Lies unfortunately. Although the actual PM cannot be recovered, this is a copy from my email when they get forwarded.
For someone that likes to quote about facts you sure have an interesting way of interpreting my posts.
I have not tried to bully you in any way shape or form, I have merely commented on my view of the whole situation and how it's led to where it is, which in my view has a great deal to do with the way you conduct yourself, but like I said, "I wouldn't expect you to be able to see it" but yet again you try and portray yourself as the victim but this time I am somehow the perpetrator of said injustice.
I never said anything about "Punishment" yet you put the word in quotation marks as though I said that, again mis-representing me.
I'm not on anyones "side" in this so no need to attempt to portray me as the "enemy" and yourself as the victim of some kind of witch hunt / gang of bullies picking on you.
You played a 50% role the situation from my perspective for the reasons I have already explained, attempting to justify that with comments about good faith and then turning that around to besmirch Fuds character with constant references to said character and playing the victim from all sides without accepting any responsibility, with the odd nod to your supporters and referencing pm's of said support.
There are terms for that sort of behaviour.
But yet again I won't be expecting your response to recognise any of that and no doubt I'll be picking on you again as opposed to maybe just possibly having a conversation over the internet.
For someone that likes to quote about facts you sure have an interesting way of interpreting my posts.
I have not tried to bully you in any way shape or form, I have merely commented on my view of the whole situation and how it's led to where it is, which in my view has a great deal to do with the way you conduct yourself, but like I said, "I wouldn't expect you to be able to see it" but yet again you try and portray yourself as the victim but this time I am somehow the perpetrator of said injustice.
I never said anything about "Punishment" yet you put the word in quotation marks as though I said that, again mis-representing me.
I'm not on anyones "side" in this so no need to attempt to portray me as the "enemy" and yourself as the victim of some kind of witch hunt / gang of bullies picking on you.
You played a 50% role the situation from my perspective for the reasons I have already explained, attempting to justify that with comments about good faith and then turning that around to besmirch Fuds character with constant references to said character and playing the victim from all sides without accepting any responsibility, with the odd nod to your supporters and referencing pm's of said support.
There are terms for that sort of behaviour.
But yet again I won't be expecting your response to recognise any of that and no doubt I'll be picking on you again as opposed to maybe just possibly having a conversation over the internet.
Isn't intepretation, it is based on facts and analysis of your posts and your disregard for the facts of the case. God help if you where ever on a jury, youll take one look at the dude and be like 'hes guulty' even if there is 0000's of sources of evidence for him not being.
You are happy for someone to be a victim of a mispresentation, and to be ripped off, because YOU do not like that other person.
You feel it is acceptable that a person experiences victimisation because YOU dont like them. You said that buddy, not me.
A buyer buying a phone from a seller who fraudulently listed it and provided multiple assurances that it was how he said it was - buyer is fifty percent to blame? Very interesting take on reality, and how a buy/sell works, only goes to show your true intentions in this thread, it has little to do with fact, more a witch hunt, which you are known for. It has very little to do with anything else.
Reference to PM's is to support proof of the lies being told by the buyer I notice you didnt go mention that. I work on facts, not opinion. Cant argue with facts, but you can try to denote them, when they clearly show how the seller conducted himself fraudulently.
At the end of the day buddy, you will continue to rabbit on, without considering the facts, and thats fine, but you arent doing yourself any favours really. Its bordering on amusing the amount of attention you are paying to this situation that dosent actually concern you.
Address the facts in your next post if you want? May as well work with something useful.
Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs
Just fecking leave it to PayPal and be done with it.
Yes I agree, but Ditch seems to be going on and on , like the situation physically involves him, which it dosent.
You have made your invalid points Ditch, time and time again, you have attempted to reduce the situation down from the obvious facts of the mispresentation of goods, it hasn't worked, so you can hopefully get on with your day and move on, hopefully, there must be something else in your life in a Sunny Sunday other than involving yourself with a complaint about a buyer that has nothing to do with you really?
So lets remind ourselves of the facts.
1. Item advertised as 100% bang on with a tiny crack, box etc three photos showing item, obviously crack so tiny , photos do not show it.
2. Item arrives with a large crack, split into three ways, in the wrong box, with wrong manual with a dent and scuffs and scratches.
3. Buyer emails seller asking to return as it was not as described.
4. Seller accepts return but refuses postage for outgoing and return.
5. Buyer finds this unccepatable as buyer should not be at a loss for an mis-sold item
6. Seller says 'he can not be bothered to send emails back and forth and to take it to paypal'
7. Buy initiates PayPal claim and reports on the situation on the thread.
8. Seller becomes abusive and makes false claims about using an 'Asda' camera to take the original photographs yet shows himself in the reflection using a smart phone.
9. Seller continues to be abrasive, and then resorts to ridiculing tactics to drawn attention away from his wrong in the situation.
10. Buyer only responds to posts made by others defending the deceipt.
True photos have been shown, obviously intentionally avoided by the seller (quite possibly could of been a different photo he photographed).
So case, clear cut. Item misrepresented, refund in full including all postage charges is due. This did not happen.
It's funny when people get this worked up over something that could of been sorted the first day As people have said you now look a bit of a **** for complaining when you bought a damaged phone and will be in exactly the same position for paying to return the phone when it could of all been done
It's funny when people get this worked up over something that could of been sorted the first day As people have said you now look a bit of a **** for complaining when you bought a damaged phone and will be in exactly the same position for paying to return the phone when it could of all been done
No you are wrong by not reading the facts. I could say you are a bit of a **** not reading them before commenting, but I wont.
The original postage was not being refunded, hence the copy of the PM above to show the lies that where being told. IF that was offered in the first instance, that may of been a deal to have it sorted.
I bought a phone that was shown in the photos. That was not what was received. Beginning and end of that.
So please, refer to the facts before commenting, gets less confusing that way.
Im not worked up at all . Thread was merely to show what has happened in a scenario that should of been easily dealt with by the seller in the first instance, and also in the second.
He opted NOT to deal with it.
But im glad you find it funny! Lovely person you are.
Isn't intepretation, it is based on facts and analysis of your posts and your disregard for the facts of the case. God help if you where ever on a jury, youll take one look at the dude and be like 'hes guulty' even if there is 0000's of sources of evidence for him not being.
You are happy for someone to be a victim of a mispresentation, and to be ripped off, because YOU do not like that other person.
You feel it is acceptable that a person experiences victimisation because YOU dont like them. You said that buddy, not me.
A buyer buying a phone from a seller who fraudulently listed it and provided multiple assurances that it was how he said it was - buyer is fifty percent to blame? Very interesting take on reality, and how a buy/sell works, only goes to show your true intentions in this thread, it has little to do with fact, more a witch hunt, which you are known for.It has very little to do with anything else.
Reference to PM's is to support proof of the lies being told by the buyer I notice you didnt go mention that. I work on facts, not opinion. Cant argue with facts, but you can try to denote them, when they clearly show how the seller conducted himself fraudulently.
At the end of the day buddy, you will continue to rabbit on, without considering the facts, and thats fine, but you arent doing yourself any favours really. Its bordering on amusing the amount of attention you are paying to this situation that dosent actually concern you.
Address the facts in your next post if you want? May as well work with something useful.
Yes I agree, but Ditch seems to be going on and on , like the situation physically involves him, which it dosent.
You have made your invalid points Ditch, time and time again, you have attempted to reduce the situation down from the obvious facts of the mispresentation of goods, it hasn't worked, so you can hopefully get on with your day and move on, hopefully, there must be something else in your life in a Sunny Sunday other than involving yourself with a complaint about a buyer that has nothing to do with you really?
So lets remind ourselves of the facts.
1. Item advertised as 100% bang on with a tiny crack, box etc three photos showing item, obviously crack so tiny , photos do not show it.
2. Item arrives with a large crack, split into three ways, in the wrong box, with wrong manual with a dent and scuffs and scratches.
3. Buyer emails seller asking to return as it was not as described.
4. Seller accepts return but refuses postage for outgoing and return.
5. Buyer finds this unccepatable as buyer should not be at a loss for an mis-sold item
6. Seller says 'he can not be bothered to send emails back and forth and to take it to paypal'
7. Buy initiates PayPal claim and reports on the situation on the thread.
8. Seller becomes abusive and makes false claims about using an 'Asda' camera to take the original photographs yet shows himself in the reflection using a smart phone.
9. Seller continues to be abrasive, and then resorts to ridiculing tactics to drawn attention away from his wrong in the situation.
10. Buyer only responds to posts made by others defending the deceipt.
True photos have been shown, obviously intentionally avoided by the seller (quite possibly could of been a different photo he photographed).
So case, clear cut. Item misrepresented, refund in full including all postage charges is due. This did not happen.
Just those 2 points, show me where I said that in this thread please and some evidence of my previous "witch hunts" that I'm apparently "Known for"
I never said I don't like you either, I actually posses zero feelings towards you, you've just shown yourself to be a bit of a bell end on previous threads and personally attacked me a few times to which I have retorted all instigated by you I might add, but don't let the reality get in the way of your delusional victim complex/poor me nasty man picking on me.
Yet again situations of your own creation, nothing to do with me, but yet again I doubt you'll see that.
Just those 2 points, show me where I said that in this thread please and some evidence of my previous "witch hunts" that I'm apparently "Known for"
I never said I don't like you either, I actually posses zero feelings towards you, you've just shown yourself to be a bit of a bell end on previous threads and personally attacked me a few times to which I have retorted all instigated by you I might add, but don't let the reality get in the way of your delusional victim complex/poor me nasty man picking on me.
Yet again situations of your own creation, nothing to do with me, but yet again I doubt you'll see that.
You seem to have a dilusional victim complex yourself, apparently I have instigated personal attacks every time? come on fella, you know that is not true at all. Words arent always needed to represent feelings Ditch. You should know that with your past.
This situation is my own creation, definitely, I bought a phone off a person.
The conclusion of this is not my creation, I was sold a phone fraudulently and misrepresented, got done which as explain in the first posts, wasnt a problem if i received a full refund, but I wasn't going to be. Even Fawor notices the reality of this situation.
So, I see this situation exactly how it is. Whatver you believe that I, led myself to being ripped off, holds no weight on the situation, ripped off is ripped off fella. So, I have been ripped off, anything prior to that or unrelated to this case, is irrelevant.
But thankyou for using so much of your Sunday up to add your wisdom, very much appreciated
Yep just as I thought, you can't show me where I said it's ok to victimise a person AND you can't show any evidence of my previous witch hunts, so now back to making stuff up and being condescending.
It's too hot here to go outside, 32 degrees in the house that has 0.5m thick stone walls probably closer to 40 degrees in the sun, so I'm just chilling until it's cooled down a bit, then I'll fire the bbq up and do a few of my home made sausages and a pork cutlet and have a bit of a meat feast that will be washed down with a couple bottles of St Peters golden ale.
So yeah no worries I was bored anyway, bullying you was just me passing the time of day.
Last edited by ditchmyster; 07 June 2015 at 03:12 PM.
Yep just as I thought, you can't show me where I said it's ok to victimise a person AND you can't show any evidence of my previous witch hunts, so now back to making stuff up and being condescending.
It's too hot here to go outside, 32 degrees in the house that has 0.5m thick stone walls probably closer to 40 degrees in the sun, so I'm just chilling until it's cooled down a bit, then I'll fire the bbq up and do a few of my home made sausages and a pork cutlet and have a bit of a meat feast that will be washed down with a couple bottles of St Peters golden ale.
So yeah no worries I was bored anyway, bullying you was just me passing the time of day.
By saying a buyer is fifty percent to blame on being ripped off based on all the factual evidence shown, is victimisation buddy, I didn't think I needed to point that out.
YEs I know you love doing it, no doubt again soon on another thread Anyhow, enjoy your murdered animals, you dont need to waste anymore chill time on someone elses problem , but your input, as been,...erm, well its been hasnt it
By saying a buyer is fifty percent to blame on being ripped off based on all the factual evidence shown, is victimisation buddy, I didn't think I needed to point that out.
YEs I know you love doing it, no doubt again soon on another thread Anyhow, enjoy your murdered animals, you dont need to waste anymore chill time on someone elses problem , but your input, as been,...erm, well its been hasnt it
Seems more of a case of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victimi...-victimisation from where I'm sitting, but hey you carry on with your character assassinations yet again whilst trying to tell us all about morals and standards of conduct.
Was just the one animal and I bought it and killed it for food, and very tasty it is too I presume by that statement your a plastic sandal wearing hippy that's never eaten meat or has anything derived from animal products, like soap, creams or leather or is that just another example of your hypocrisy.
Seems more of a case of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victimi...-victimisation from where I'm sitting, but hey you carry on with your character assassinations yet again whilst trying to tell us all about morals and standards of conduct.
Was just the one animal and I bought it and killed it for food, and very tasty it is too I presume by that statement your a plastic sandal wearing hippy that's never eaten meat or has anything derived from animal products, like soap, creams or leather or is that just another example of your hypocrisy.
Not at all but you took the life without consent or accident, thats murder.
Facts of the case. Buyer ripped off, evidence proven. Not sure how many ways i can shorten it for you.
Not at all but you took the life without consent or accident, thats murder.
Facts of the case. Buyer ripped off, evidence proven. Not sure how many ways i can shorten it for you.
Yet again more hypocrisy and a little condescension and character assassination calling me a murderer for killing and eating meat at least I have the courage of my convictions and don't shy away from the reality of being a meat eater like most do and then spout off like they're some how holier than thou yet still use and consume the products, leather couch, phone case or shoes by any chance.
Your a bastion of morality and I aspire to reach such heady heights of self righteousness as yourself. :
Totally i agree but ditch seems to be going on and on and i wonder what his true motives are now, seems very odd behaviour.
See more of the same, now the answer to your question about my motives lie in this post.
I started by giving my opinion then because it didn't align with you and your view you then start to try your little character assassination on me and suggest I'm bullying you, I'm not going to sit here while you type blatant lies about me for all to see and say nothing about it.
The only "odd behaviour" that's been on display since the very start of the thread has come from you.
Yet again more hypocrisy and a little condescension and character assassination calling me a murderer for killing and eating meat at least I have the courage of my convictions and don't shy away from the reality of being a meat eater like most do and then spout off like they're some how holier than thou yet still use and consume the products, leather couch, phone case or shoes by any chance.
Your a bastion of morality and I aspire to reach such heady heights of self righteousness as yourself. :
All that deserves is a lol. Have a good day fella.
07 June 2015, 10:59 AM
AND after all of this carry on you're still going to have to pay to return the phone. 
As people have said you now look a bit of a **** for complaining when you bought a damaged phone and will be in exactly the same position for paying to return the phone when it could of all been done 
at least I have the courage of my convictions and don't shy away from the reality of being a meat eater like most do and then spout off like they're some how holier than thou yet still use and consume the products, leather couch, phone case or shoes by any chance. 
